Player Watch #30 Tom Brown

[Meteoric Rise]

Hugh McCluggage had the 2nd most goal assists in the league last season. Nick Martin had the 11th. Mason Wood had the 32nd. I went all the way up to 50 and didn't see any half backs.

Of course defenders create more score launches.....they win the ball far back more.



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Yep I checked too and fair enough the leading wingers have more goal assists(but not necessarily more score involvements) than the leading running defenders.

If there was a stat like goal assists per attempted goal assist though, I suspect that the wingers would suffer in comparison to more central defensive players.

Forget all that though. Brown does not have the running ability to be a winger, there would be others way more suited.

 

[tiger_tough]

Yep I checked too and fair enough the leading wingers have more goal assists(but not necessarily more score involvements) than the leading running defenders.

If there was a stat like goal assists per attempted goal assist though, I suspect that the wingers would suffer in comparison to more central defensive players.

Forget all that though. Brown does not have the running ability to be a winger, there would be others way more suited.

I'm with you there. Maybe in time. Seth looks like he has the tools.

I just really want Yze to look beyond McIntosh and Pickett tbh.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I'm with you there. Maybe in time. Seth looks like he has the tools.

I just really want Yze to look beyond McIntosh and Pickett tbh.

I am in the get Pickett to 100 games camp. He is no less than a decent AFL winger imo.

McIntosh it is harder to say but the selectors must love him for good reasons that are less obvious to us.

To be honest at the moment we are already fielding half a team full of players who have averaged about 12 games in their roles in this team between them. That is a hell of a lot. Obviously having McIntosh and Pickett play their familiar wing roles gives us 2 extra players who have played loads of games in this team in that role.

It is obvious we need to blood young players and give them games, but you probably don't want them coming into a completely unstable team, it makes it too difficult for them to learn their roles.

 

[JR82]

Haven’t really seen much actual discussion about Browns game on the weekend
I’m pretty pleased with it considering it’s only his 2nd afl appearance

13 possies, 7 contested, 8 intercept possies

Had a few moments where he displayed his fantastic decision making and kicking with one kick into the corridor that set up a goal from memory

Good springboard to build off going forward

Just putting it there but 8 Intercept possies was a game high.

 

[JR82]

I'm with you there. Maybe in time. Seth looks like he has the tools.

I just really want Yze to look beyond McIntosh and Pickett tbh.

Up to guys like Banks & Hugo to take over those spots, Brown & Trezise are well suited to roles down back. Good kicking from HB can break games open as we have seen with Rioli & Short. Both Brown & Trezise had some good defensive #'s on sunday. Despite how easily the ball came in.

 

[JR82]

I am in the get Pickett to 100 games camp. He is no less than a decent AFL winger imo.

McIntosh it is harder to say but the selectors must love him for good reasons that are less obvious to us.

To be honest at the moment we are already fielding half a team full of players who have averaged about 12 games in their roles in this team between them. That is a hell of a lot. Obviously having McIntosh and Pickett play their familiar wing roles gives us 2 extra players who have played loads of games in this team in that role.

It is obvious we need to blood young players and give them games, but you probably don't want them coming into a completely unstable team, it makes it too difficult for them to learn their roles.

I agree here, say Banks is next winger in line, ideally we play him with 1 of Macca/Pickett

 

[tiger_tough]

I am in the get Pickett to 100 games camp. He is no less than a decent AFL winger imo.

McIntosh it is harder to say but the selectors must love him for good reasons that are less obvious to us.

To be honest at the moment we are already fielding half a team full of players who have averaged about 12 games in their roles in this team between them. That is a hell of a lot. Obviously having McIntosh and Pickett play their familiar wing roles gives us 2 extra players who have played loads of games in this team in that role.

It is obvious we need to blood young players and give them games, but you probably don't want them coming into a completely unstable team, it makes it too difficult for them to learn their roles.

Up to guys like Banks & Hugo to take over those spots, Brown & Trezise are well suited to roles down back. Good kicking from HB can break games open as we have seen with Rioli & Short. Both Brown & Trezise had some good defensive #'s on sunday. Despite how easily the ball came in.

OR....we put Dan Rioli there and leave Brown and Trezise as half backs. Rioli has speed, endurance, reads the play well, great kick, good mark. Can push forward and kick goals, can get back and defend. There's no ****ing downside.

 

[JR82]

OR....we put Dan Rioli there and leave Brown and Trezise as half backs. Rioli has speed, endurance, reads the play well, great kick, good mark. Can push forward and kick goals, can get back and defend. There's no ******* downside.

not the worst idea going around. Anything that gets more games into both Brown & Trezise i am happy with.

 

[tiger_tough]

not the worst idea going around. Anything that gets more games into both Brown & Trezise i am happy with.

Even if Baker goes back to half back and McAuliffe in the guts.

Just put Dan Rioli on a damn wing please Adem.

 

[JR82]

Even if Baker goes back to half back and McAuliffe in the guts.

Just put Dan Rioli on a damn wing please Adem.

Baker was #1 for player ratings as a mid, leave him there for now, at least until Hopper is back

 

[Noidnadroj]

Keep telling yourself whatever you need to mate. I was warning people just like you, R2R and a chunk of others for 3 years the winter is coming and its going to bite hard because the club is making a series of wrong decisions based on a series of reasons that range from arrogance, ego, short-sightedness, a decline in standards caused mostly due to the leaders failing their own sniff test ( Rance, Dimma), drafting too many similar "nothing" sized players, ignoring good "long term" trade options & then finally, throwing years of stability in the fire to trade not 1, but TWO players from the same team, who play the same position, on exactly the same type of deals despite having 2 very different injury histories.

This "now" has been so ******* obvious to me that i have literally been continuing to push it despite being basically abused, called a "fake supporter", "troll" etc. The time for "spin" is well and truly over - everyone is seeing the fallout of all these things and there is nothing left to hide behind. The flags and all the people who made them, are no longer relevant. We are living with now, 3 years of some of the worst "richmond" s**t of the last 50 years. How we totally ****ed up a "unlosable" long term position post the 2019-20 GF is one of the biggest failures of the modern times. We are Hawthorn / Clarkson 2.0 when we should have been the next Geelong.

3-years of the worst Richmond sh*t…?!!? We made finals in 2022 and lost at the GABBA by a point. We made 2 finals series from 1983 to 2016 …. and you think the last 3-years has been bad?

We’ve had 1 x top-10 pick since Vlastuin, and Gibcus is out with an ACL. If we didn’t trade for Hopper we’d have had two. 2 x top-10 draft picks in 11-seasons, and you wonder why we are in a rebuild?

The club lost an EF by a point and would’ve finished top-4 except for loads of narrow losses that season, and still had loads of elite talent on the list … I don’t begrudge them going hard again for one more tilt. Flags are bloody hard to win, so when opportunity knocks you have a crack. It didn’t work, so now the club pivots the strategy which was clear when they traded a contracted Soldo to improve our draft hand.

The ‘big bodied’ mid everyone (including you I’m sure) wanted was Ben Hobbs… couldn’t get a game for the Bombers round 1 and stunk it up round 2. Not sure where he ends up but he’d certainly not be much help to us now. I’m not overly impressed watching him play and I’m not panicked we missed anything … time will tell. But let’s put it this way … I’m much happier we’ve got McAuliffe over Hobbs and Macca hasn’t even debuted yet.

And what on earth is this ‘unloseable’ long term position? I don’t understand that? From that 2020 team among others we’ve lost : Cotchin, Edwards, Riewoldt, Houli, Lambert and Astbury. Then Prestia is cooked with injury. Grimes is old and nearing retirement. Martin is nearly 33yo. Lynch just missed a year of footy and may never return to anything like the superstar he was. Then our only top-10 pick is about to miss his second full year of footy.

Yet you sheet home our struggles to trading 14 and 21 for a guy who just won our B&F and got 19 Brownlow votes, and another in Hopper whose draft pick (Curtin) hasn’t played yet….

I understand it’s frustrating, but in an equalised competition, how on earth would any sane supporter think we’d remain in flag contention when 9-10 genuine stars from 2017-20 are either retired, injured or nearing the end?

Your expectations are just ridiculous.


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[Noidnadroj]

Haven’t really seen much actual discussion about Browns game on the weekend
I’m pretty pleased with it considering it’s only his 2nd afl appearance

13 possies, 7 contested, 8 intercept possies

Had a few moments where he displayed his fantastic decision making and kicking with one kick into the corridor that set up a goal from memory

Good springboard to build off going forward

Brown and Tresize led the team with intercepts with 8 and 7 respectively. Bloody good signs from both of them when so raw.

Tigers had 9 players under 35-games on Sunday. 5 under 10 games. I was disappointed with our pressure, but overall a pretty good effort with excellent signs from Tresize, Brown and Campbell who’ve all played less than 5 games.


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[Noidnadroj]

Up to guys like Banks & Hugo to take over those spots, Brown & Trezise are well suited to roles down back. Good kicking from HB can break games open as we have seen with Rioli & Short. Both Brown & Trezise had some good defensive #'s on sunday. Despite how easily the ball came in.

I think there are multiple solutions staring at us smack bang in the face in relation to team selection:

Backline: Grimes/Broad. Young. T Brown
HB: Vlastuin. Miller. Tresize
C: D Rioli/Short. TT. Clarke/Banks/Hugo

So depending on oppo one of Short or Rioli takes a wing, the other takes any dangerous small forward needing attention. Blood the best performing of Clarke/Banks/Hugo on the other wing. If multiple deserve a spot Clarke can play half forward.

Drop Macca and Pickett and bring them in only if injury permits. Play only one of Grimes or Broad most weeks.

That’s loads of experience across the middle and backline whilst blooding loads of inexperienced players. And remember Miller and Young are inexperienced but not young.

If we are going to lose loads of games let’s not do it with 7-8 30yo+ players on the field each week. Let’s make it about 4 which is much better balanced.


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[RJK Tiger]

3-years of the worst Richmond sh*t…?!!? We made finals in 2022 and lost at the GABBA by a point. We made 2 finals series from 1983 to 2016 …. and you think the last 3-years has been bad?

We’ve had 1 x top-10 pick since Vlastuin, and Gibcus is out with an ACL. If we didn’t trade for Hopper we’d have had two. 2 x top-10 draft picks in 11-seasons, and you wonder why we are in a rebuild?

The club lost an EF by a point and would’ve finished top-4 except for loads of narrow losses that season, and still had loads of elite talent on the list … I don’t begrudge them going hard again for one more tilt. Flags are bloody hard to win, so when opportunity knocks you have a crack. It didn’t work, so now the club pivots the strategy which was clear when they traded a contracted Soldo to improve our draft hand.

The ‘big bodied’ mid everyone (including you I’m sure) wanted was Ben Hobbs… couldn’t get a game for the Bombers round 1 and stunk it up round 2. Not sure where he ends up but he’d certainly not be much help to us now. I’m not overly impressed watching him play and I’m not panicked we missed anything … time will tell. But let’s put it this way … I’m much happier we’ve got McAuliffe over Hobbs and Macca hasn’t even debuted yet.

And what on earth is this ‘unloseable’ long term position? I don’t understand that? From that 2020 team among others we’ve lost : Cotchin, Edwards, Riewoldt, Houli, Lambert and Astbury. Then Prestia is cooked with injury. Grimes is old and nearing retirement. Martin is nearly 33yo. Lynch just missed a year of footy and may never return to anything like the superstar he was. Then our only top-10 pick is about to miss his second full year of footy.

Yet you sheet home our struggles to trading 14 and 21 for a guy who just won our B&F and got 19 Brownlow votes, and another in Hopper whose draft pick (Curtin) hasn’t played yet….

I understand it’s frustrating, but in an equalised competition, how on earth would any sane supporter think we’d remain in flag contention when 9-10 genuine stars from 2017-20 are either retired, injured or nearing the end?

Your expectations are just ridiculous.


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Correct. The decisions we made to achieve no finals wins since the 2020 GF & the way we completely risked and ****ed our future after we, finally, were in a position to have genuine longterm success ala Geelong - was some of the worst decisions i have seen made. Even when we made the right decisions ( taking 5 picks in 2021 draft), we stuffed it up by drafting too many similar players & looking fairly likely, the wrong players. And then the next year commited to trading all the picks we had in the top 30 for 2 years for 2 players that were not even close to filling the holes we had to truely compete again.

If you told me after the 2020 GF that Geelong would have another flag to their name & we haven't even won another final & on the dawn of one of the biggest rebuilds the clubs had for a long long time, i would never have believed you.


People really forget how flush we were post 2019-20. We celebrated the GF win in 2020 as the "death of the cats" and in actual fact it was the complete opposite. That didnt happen because of "bad luck" - we totally ****ed it.

 

[THE_GUN]

Tom Brown can play and he is AFL level player
where his eventual position ends up is anybody's guess and could end up becoming a swing man in 3 years time

pump games into him

 

[TigerImposter]

Tom Brown can play and he is AFL level player
where his eventual position ends up is anybody's guess and could end up becoming a swing man in 3 years time

pump games into him

One of the few kids with Trezise, KMac2 and Clarke that I’m least worried about as they will all be long term players. I think he will be the next Balta minus the ruck position and could easily play many roles as you’re suggesting. I’m still annoyed he hasn’t got 15 games under his belt as he really needed that extra experience going into this season, but it’s done now and we can enjoy watching him play at the highest level.

 

[THE_GUN]

One of the few kids with Trezise, KMac2 and Clarke that I’m least worried about as they will all be long term players. I think he will be the next Balta minus the ruck position and could easily play many roles as you’re suggesting. I’m still annoyed he hasn’t got 15 games under his belt as he really needed that extra experience going into this season, but it’s done now and we can enjoy watching him play at the highest level.

He is a very good size and has a football brain as well as good disposal
Just seems like a player that once he has 40-50 games under his belt he will be extremely valuable

I just hope he gets a bit of campaigner into his game

 

[TigerImposter]

He is a very good size and has a football brain as well as good disposal
Just seems like a player that once he has 40-50 games under his belt he will be extremely valuable

I just hope he gets a bit of campaigner into his game

Yes he looks a bit like a nice private school boy atm and I’m hoping with games under his belt he will develop that trait.

 

[Grrr]

Spot on mate .... Banks (and Hugo) are the players that have played the best football on the wing in the VFL

... Brown was terrible and Tresize was okay AND why the hell would you be suggesting that we move these two from where they have played well in their first two games.

If

Because we we have a swag of backs and we are very light on for good wingers.

 

[Grrr]

I'm with you there. Maybe in time. Seth looks like he has the tools.

I just really want Yze to look beyond McIntosh and Pickett tbh.

Seth looks like he could go through the midfield at some stage down the track. A poster earlier mentioned Butters as a similar type, which doesn't seem such a stretch in playing styles. He is 19 and not a bad size, strong over the ball and balanced.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

He is a very good size and has a football brain as well as good disposal
Just seems like a player that once he has 40-50 games under his belt he will be extremely valuable

I just hope he gets a bit of campaigner into his game

Prolly get a bit of campaigner in him when he's asking for a transfer to the Scatters!

 

[The Mighty]

Prolly get a bit of campaigner in him when he's asking for a transfer to the Scatters!

He'll definately become a campaigner if he goes to the Scats.

I'm tipping they will make a play for him in time.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Prolly get a bit of campaigner in him when he's asking for a transfer to the Scatters!

Nah, the Cats have a surprisingly poor record of attracting young Melbourne-based players back to Geelong. Tuohy and Stanley are probably the only ones on their list I can think of, and they were both a decade ago.

Blokes like MClark, SHiggins, Dahlhaus, ISmith and that ruckman from Hawthorn I can't think of were well past their best and pretty much in the final hours of their careers when they transferred. It was aged care facility stuff for most of them.

The rest of their recruits/trades - the younger and longer term ones - have tended to be returnees from interstate - Dangerfield, Cameron, Bowes, Bruhn, Rohan, Stengle etc.

 

[T4P]

Vlastuin mk2, and will be better than him.

 

[Noidnadroj]

Correct. The decisions we made to achieve no finals wins since the 2020 GF & the way we completely risked and ****ed our future after we, finally, were in a position to have genuine longterm success ala Geelong - was some of the worst decisions i have seen made. Even when we made the right decisions ( taking 5 picks in 2021 draft), we stuffed it up by drafting too many similar players & looking fairly likely, the wrong players. And then the next year commited to trading all the picks we had in the top 30 for 2 years for 2 players that were not even close to filling the holes we had to truely compete again.

If you told me after the 2020 GF that Geelong would have another flag to their name & we haven't even won another final & on the dawn of one of the biggest rebuilds the clubs had for a long long time, i would never have believed you.


People really forget how flush we were post 2019-20. We celebrated the GF win in 2020 as the "death of the cats" and in actual fact it was the complete opposite. That didnt happen because of "bad luck" - we totally ****ed it.

Post 2021 the Cats secured one of the best players in the competition in Jezza. Their full forward is playing as well as ever, ours is retired. Our other gun forward just missed a full season. They had SDK explode on the scene, our equivalent will miss 2-years of footy.

We drafted Gibcus at 9 then had 4 x picks from 17 to 30. Take me through all the guns we could’ve drafted from 17 to 30 that we bypassed who’d be helping us significantly on field now?

The draft picks we gave for TT and Hopper wouldn’t be helping us in 2024.

We can judge our list transition in 3-4 years, not 2024.


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