Player Watch #34: Jack Graham - MOVED TO WCE - PICK 42 Received

[beema limapep]

He's obviously doing something right if he keeps being selected. Can he improve? Yes of course but is the least of our worries.

So what is the 'something' that he is doing right? Because nobody seems to be able to define it. I would have said tackling but even those numbers dropped off in 2023.

It's assumed because a player is in the team that they are going ok but we all know that's not necessarily the case. Castagna for example.

Experienced players are often selected to play themselves into form, or if the list is shallow or if the selection committee don't want to risk blooding a new player.

As a 100+ game player who has form has dropped off I would put him near the top of who we should worry about, along with Grimes.

 

[Boston tiger]

So it's our 'role' players who win us games, but when we lose, 'role' players have no responsibility.
Amazing!

We don’t need to boo them if they get selected.

 

[beema limapep]

Who knows.But I’m not going bag or belittle him every time he gets selected.

There's a difference between wanting the best 22 on the field whilst we are carrying a player who is underperforming, vs belittling a player.

 

[beema limapep]

We don’t need to boo them if they get selected.

Who's booing our players?

 

[Wrenny]

So what is the 'something' that he is doing right? Because nobody seems to be able to define it. I would have said tackling but even those numbers dropped off in 2023.

It's assumed because a player is in the team that they are going ok but we all know that's not necessarily the case. Castagna for example.

Experienced players are often selected to play themselves into form, or if the list is shallow or if the selection committee don't want to risk blooding a new player.

As a 100+ game player who has form has dropped off I would put him near the top of who we should worry about, along with Grimes.

Mate I'm not a coach and don't analyse every game he plays, just your average Joe that supports the team.

They had Sonsie and Dow who didn't play much this year that could have come in if they weren't happy with JG.

Would like to see his Pressure stats over his tenure which may back up his position in the team but don't have them handy

 

[beema limapep]

Mate I'm not a coach and don't analyse every game he plays, just your average Joe that supports the team.

They had Sonsie and Dow who didn't play much this year that could have come in if they weren't happy with JG.

Would like to see his Pressure stats over his tenure which may back up his position in the team but don't have them handy

Not having a go, just trying to work it out too. All good.

 

[Wrenny]

Not having a go, just trying to work it out too. All good.

Yeah I can see where you are coming from. Be interesting to see if Uzi plays him more on ball or potentially as a shut down player.

He did mention he will play our players in their natural positions so it'll be interesting.

 

[Boston tiger]

A bloke runs 34km/h in a game and 4 seasons ago and that stands over and beyond what he brings to the football field in 2024? Am i getting your logic right now? lol

“No you don’t understand physics. I can run 40km/h over 2m, but can run only a 100m in 20sec which is 18 km/h. Did he run this speed from a stationary position or did he have an initial velocity when it was recorded? Unless you understand basic kinematics the notion he ran 34km/h without any other data is useless and only satisfies the ignorant”

This is what I’ve been dealing with.

 

[TigerImposter]

“No you don’t understand physics. I can run 40km/h over 2m, but can run only a 100m in 20sec which is 18 km/h. Did he run this speed from a stationary position or did he have an initial velocity when it was recorded? Unless you understand basic kinematics the notion he ran 34km/h without any other data is useless and only satisfies the ignorant”

This is what I’ve been dealing with.

no you haven't been dealing with that. YOU placed importance in mentioning 34KM/H over him being justified in getting a game neglecting:
a. Football skills and what he brings to the team based on 23 performances
b. How, when, why and what other measurements was used when 34km/h was recorded
c. The relevance of it


The two calculations i gave you were trying to indicate to you that you can run faster over a shorter distance.
Any football observer can see JGTI is slow as a wet week and that's the real issue here.

 

[Wooden Robot]

We don’t need to boo them if they get selected.

No one is booing him, so that's a figment of your imagination.
People just want him to be accountable for performance and to be better.
And if he continually plays poorly, to be like 60 per cent of our team and be dropped.

 

[TigerImposter]

No one is booing him, so that's a figment of your imagination.
People just want him to be accountable for performance and be be better.
And if he continually plays poorly, to be like 60 per cent of our team and be dropped.

He will next say that JGTI will be traumatized on social media when reading this. That was his big thing in the Castagna threads.

 

[Lacustrus]

I’m absolutely ****ing sick of this whinging, whipping boy frenzy and beating up on players like it’s peak 2016.
TI, you have got to let it go FFS.

It can always be shitter.
Imagine if we were run like Melbourne

 

[beema limapep]

I’m absolutely ******* sick of this whinging, whipping boy frenzy and beating up on players like it’s peak 2016.
TI, you have got to let it go FFS.

It can always be shitter.
Imagine if we were run like Melbourne

What is this all about?

 

[Lacustrus]

What is this all about?

Creating another whipping boy

 

[RockJobster0312]

So what is the 'something' that he is doing right? Because nobody seems to be able to define it. I would have said tackling but even those numbers dropped off in 2023.

It's assumed because a player is in the team that they are going ok but we all know that's not necessarily the case. Castagna for example.

Experienced players are often selected to play themselves into form, or if the list is shallow or if the selection committee don't want to risk blooding a new player.

As a 100+ game player who has form has dropped off I would put him near the top of who we should worry about, along with Grimes.

His role is to provide pressure around the contest, and defensive presence when he isn’t in the contest (he is very good at putting his body in the right spot to protect the corridor) from the high half forward position; as well as use the ball well inside f-50.

For context, in 2023 he was our fourth best player statistically for both tackling and for pressure acts (only Taranto, Nankervis and Hopper more average tackles; only Taranto, Nankervis and Prestia more average pressure acts). He was also rated AFL elite for disposal efficiency.

That said, he has dropped off statistically (which backs up the visual drop off) since 2020. That does seem to be reflective of the wider teams drop off over the same period. It will be interesting to see what changes Yze implements and what that looks like in terms of pressure and defensive structure.

That’s not to say Graham is a walk-up best 22 in 2024. But I would argue that at the least he provides the level which those who could displace him in the side need to get to. The likes of Sonsie, Clarke and even potentially Cumberland.

 

[Karp3_dm]

He might be able to get up to a fast pace running in a straight line but he ain’t agile at all and that’s where he gets torched

 

[RJK Tiger]

Hmmm. I'm not so sure about that. While I think that he played reasonably well in our finals from 2017 to 2020, the only outstanding finals game he played was the 2017 GF.

not true. 2019 PF against Geelong as well. He played with a dislocated shoulder and was a total tank.

You put JG in a finals team and he will do his job. Its those characteristics what led the club to think he was future captain material. Its his lack of form In H&A that exposed that as a pipe dream

 

[tropicaltiger]

I have been saying it for the past two years and I will say it again about 2024 if Jack Graham

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Jack Graham

Age

26

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181cm

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85kg

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14.7

4star

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8.0

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6.8

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2.1

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6.3

5star

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1.8

4star

D

11.8

3star

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5.3

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6.5

4star

M

2.8

3star

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4.2

5star

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1.2

4star

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14.0

4star

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6.0

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HB

8.0

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1.8

2star

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7.0

5star

CL

3.2

5star

is in our best 22 every week we are not making finals. grimes, cotch, jackR, pickett, macca and even broad at times struggled with the demands, intensity and pace of footy in 2023. graham although 5 or 6 years younger.... his last 3 years have been no better and often worst....... hopper, ross and sonsie, if he gets fit and keen all have grahams spot covered.

 

[Boston tiger]

No one is booing him, so that's a figment of your imagination.
People just want him to be accountable for performance and be be better.
And if he continually plays poorly, to be like 60 per cent of our team and be dropped.

What’s the problem then . If he’s not performing his role and if there is someone better then he will get dropped.
What you find what happens is everyone is happy for our role players to play their roles when we are winning but when we lose we suddenly want to know why they didn’t get 25 possessions and kick 3 goals when their role doesn’t allow them to do that .

 

[Boston tiger]

no you haven't been dealing with that. YOU placed importance in mentioning 34KM/H over him being justified in getting a game neglecting:
a. Football skills and what he brings to the team based on 23 performances
b. How, when, why and what other measurements was used when 34km/h was recorded
c. The relevance of it


The two calculations i gave you were trying to indicate to you that you can run faster over a shorter distance.
Any football observer can see JGTI is slow as a wet week and that's the real issue here.

I always see him have plenty of time to give the better option and be very important in link up play. Doesn’t seem rushed. Did you know he was clocked at 34km/h in 2020?

Don’t tell me he’s failing the dreaded pub eye test again.

 

[TigerImposter]

I always see him have plenty of time to give the better option and be very important in link up play. Doesn’t seem rushed. Did you know he was clocked at 34km/h in 2020?

Don’t tell me he’s failing the dreaded pub eye test again.

I couldn’t care if he clocked 340km/h in 2023 as it’s irrelevant as im only interested in football skills and what he brings to the team . The last three seasons have been terrible so he will need to up his average velocity in order to keep up with opponents as he was doing a lot of chasing this season. His other problem is his footy IQ is poor for a slow footballer and opponents get away from him easily. He can’t get off the ground is another flaw so in reality hes just a potato.

 

[beema limapep]

Creating another whipping boy

Time will tell

 

[Profop]

One of our better deliverers of the footy inside 50

He’s had issues with injury but also I think the loss of Lambert has seen more attention go onto him as that remaining link player between the midfield and forward line

 

[The Mighty]

One of our better deliverers of the footy inside 50

He’s had issues with injury but also I think the loss of Lambert has seen more attention go onto him as that remaining link player between the midfield and forward line

Lambert, Edwards, George, Cotchin, Graham and Prestia were our mainstay 2 way runners over the successful years.

Ellis, McIntosh and Pickett the others on the wings.

Ellis, Lambert, Edwards, George already gone and Prestia injury plagued now and Cotchin aged and now retired.

McIntosh and Pickett are up on or over 30 also.

Time to look at doing things a bit differently.

 

[Sol23]

Creating another whipping boy

Sook