Player Watch #4 Dustin Martin GOAT and King of Punt Rd - OFFICIALLY RETIRED

[JR82]

Main reason i reckon he won't leave us & will finish with us is, if he was to leave he'd be expected to be the face of the Club & he'd hate that with a passion.

 

[sante]

Inside info?

Yep. May as well come clean. I am Dusty

 

[Danw0w]

The sports media in this country is ****ing astonishingly bad. None of these guys are journalists. They are just fan fiction writers.

 

[jc12]

can’t get into to much trouble in Malta


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Dusty confirmed playing for Malta FC

 

[jc12]

I agree with you that for Dusty/Carr this is the right move for them, but i do think it was the right move for the club to really push him over a contract extension to find out where he is at, & for all we know that could/likely happened. I actually think, contractually, it could have been an exceptionally good situation for both parties to extend, if structured correctly.


For example, the club & Dusty/Carr could have brokered a 1 year extension for Dusty to received $1.2m in 2025.

This would be good for Dusty as it sets his price to Dimma & the Gold Coast. The biggest issue stopping the moving this year was his huge contact & the Suns could not get the cap space to pay him $1.2m, they want to get him cheaper than that. Their cap siutation is only going to get worse with their young list, especially if they start having success. So Carr must realise that if the Suns do plan to sign him next year, they are unlikely going to be wanting to pay him $1.2m. So by setting the price 12 months in advance, you would have let them know EXACTLY how much cap space you will need to have to get Dusty. Sure, they could re-negotiate his contract to get him over, or ask us to pay some of the contract - but paying a bit of his contract cost you a 1st round pick. Generally players in Dusty's situation move clubs at this late time in their career to get a pay cut & try and win a flag. For Carr, locking Dusty in for a huge figure in 2024 is by far the best move for his commission.

For the Club, the benefit is, you have locked in that asset for another 2 years & you wont lose it for free. If someone wants him, they have to be prepared to pay Dusty $1.2m & provide the club with assets to either fill that salary, or compensate for losing a clearly valuable asset & most likely paying a decent portion of his contract for 1 season. It would have also provided Yze with a safe environment to begin his career, ie he wont be fighting "Dusty leaving?" innuendo if the club finds itself 3-9 heading into the bye round. As far as the media is concerned, Dusty is under contract, on a very generous contract. It takes the noise out of the environment so everyone can focus on the work only.

This sort of deal gets done a bit in the NBA as sometimes a player can only sign a higher number if they re-sign with 1 team, then get traded to the team they want. It is a system that can be a bit s**t when everyone starts doing it all the time - but in the AFL there are very few players who really have "franchise player" status. Perhaps only 50% of the teams in the league have that atm. It works in the sense that the club is guaranteed a return on their player asset with either player/draft assets to replace them. They don't do this "compo pick" bullshit - a player leaves in free agency, all you get is the salary cap space hole they left. It makes the moving of players far more complex & totally removes the laughable AFL interference we are having atm.


I personally don't think Dusty is worth $1.2 m a season anymore, but i'd love him to prove me wrong & know he definitely can. But locking him in not just as a player, but a potential future trade asset to me is worth the cost. And quite frankly, i am more than happy for the club to overpay Dustin Martin until we need the cap space to pay our new Dustin Martin. Over the next few years i think its very likely we will need to eat a bit of s**t while we re-tool & that should keep us out of most big acquisitions - we should be gradually cutting our salary cost to start getting "Lynch" types etc. Its a strategy you can do year to year until a target comes up that you are "all in" on.

I guess it comes down to how much $$$ is a pick worth. Its an interesting conversation. IE what would a club pay for

-A Top 3 pick

-A Top 10 Pick

-A Top 30 pick


I think over the next 5 years we will see a huge change in the salaries & how contracts are handled. I think the old way of thinking is holding a lot of clubs back and the teams that can figure out how to get ahead of the game first, will get the fruit.

Look at the compo picks this year as an example. Why were they all 1st rounders? Because the clubs realise that if his OG team can get a 1st rounder, they wont have to part with an asset to get him. And as the Daniher deal showed, there is nothing stopping you re-negotiating the contract at a later date to a more appropriate number. Gresham will see that for sure, his contract will get re-negotiated at some point, i guarantee it

No mate. The biggest issue stopping the move was that dusty doesn't wanna leave. RJK again with a full essay about nothing

 

[RJK Tiger]

No mate. The biggest issue stopping the move was that dusty doesn't wanna leave. RJK again with a full essay about nothing

.... not if we were only planning on paying him $600k it wouldn't have been. I still think the $1.5-1.8m contract was a big issue.

Lil reminder buddy

Manager explains why Dusty rejected TWO $11m offers

Three years ago Dustin Martin rejected two AFL clubs to remain a Tiger - one moment proved to him it was the right call.

7news.com.au

It was a decision that continues to pay off for the 29-year-old, who last weekend won his third premiership with Richmond.

“It was $11 million over seven (years from North Melbourne),” Carr told SEN.

“They (Crows) matched that offer. Mark Ricciuto came down to see me and they matched that offer. Then we took less than that to stay at Richmond, which I had to talk Dusty into.

“I gave him the equation of what we could make outside of football, which I thought was a lot better and I thought Richmond were a better club and better equipped to take him to where he wanted to go.”

Carr explained that as Dusty closed in on making his contract decision in 2017, one moment proved that staying was the correct call.

“The last game was against St Kilda (before re-signing) and he got a standing ovation and I think after that game we met for dinner, which we normally do, and he said ‘I think you’re right about staying’,” Carr said.

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If Gold Coast/Dimma/AFL are going to offer him the best financial return, on & off-field and are better equipped to take him where he wants to go - then he will leave. At least that is the way the club should be thinking and planning for. It would be terrible management not to


The above quote is pretty clear that his decision to stay was not all about love and fuzziness. If he stays a Tiger for life, Richmond will / should pay him accordingly

 

[the underdog]

Jon Ralph (Richmond fanatic) is reporting that Richmond are keen to extend Dusty beyond 2025 but he is in “no hurry.”

Going to be a long year listening to and reading this stuff every week.

Let’s hope the mail is correct that he’ll be signing on soon..

 

[4tune8]

Dusty will be gone to the GCS next year, the writing is on the wall. It's something that us nuffies have to get our heads around.

The meeting with Dimma was all about planning for that fact. He obviously couldn't/wouldn't get there next year because of two reasons, firstly the GCS couldn't fit him in their cap, secondly Dusty would have wanted to honour his contract for both monetary and loyalty reasons.

Giving himself a year allows both clubs to work out an amicable agreement where both parties win. I'm sure that he would want the Tigers suitably looked after and get financially rewarded for his last playing contract, a 'grandfather deal' if you like. Added to that deal would be the commensurate ambassadorial payments from the AFL, plus the bonus of getting out of the AFL bubble in Vic.

As far as the Tigers getting looked after is concerned, then my simple mind can see a scenario where a player and a pick is involved the deal. I'm not sure of the machinations involved with free agency but I'm sure that Dusty wouldn't go unless the Tigers are suitably compensated, a bit like what CCJ did with his move to North. I don't think it'll just be whatever the AFL deems to be compensation based on contractual terms.

I know I'm assuming a bit here (well, a lot) but if there's a player involved then one Ben King

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comes to mind, I understand that we've been working on getting him for a couple of years now and the Dusty move might be just the catalyst that's needed to pry him loose. The cap space from him leaving the GCS would more than likely cover the contract for Dusty and vice versa with the Tigers.

To me it all makes sense, there might not be the the player or picks involved but one thing is certain, Dusty will be playing for the GCS in 2025. The AFL want it to happen, they need a marquee player to help grow the code up north and there's no better marquee player than Dusty, combine that with the most successful coach over the last 6 years and the boffins at AFL house would be jizzing themselves.

Dusty will be a premiership player at the Gold Coast Suns in 2025/2026. Bookmark it.

 

[Tiges1229]

Dusty will be gone to the GCS next year, the writing is on the wall. It's something that us nuffies have to get our heads around.

The meeting with Dimma was all about planning for that fact. He obviously couldn't/wouldn't get there next year because of two reasons, firstly the GCS couldn't fit him in their cap, secondly Dusty would have wanted to honour his contract for both monetary and loyalty reasons.

Giving himself a year allows both clubs to work out an amicable agreement where both parties win. I'm sure that he would want the Tigers suitably looked after and get financially rewarded for his last playing contract, a 'grandfather deal' if you like. Added to that deal would be the commensurate ambassadorial payments from the AFL, plus the bonus of getting out of the AFL bubble in Vic.

As far as the Tigers getting looked after is concerned, then my simple mind can see a scenario where a player and a pick is involved the deal. I'm not sure of the machinations involved with free agency but I'm sure that Dusty wouldn't go unless the Tigers are suitably compensated, a bit like what CCJ did with his move to North. I don't think it'll just be whatever the AFL deems to be compensation based on contractual terms.

I know I'm assuming a bit here (well, a lot) but if there's a player involved then one Ben King comes to mind, I understand that we've been working on getting him for a couple of years now and the Dusty move might be just the catalyst that's needed to pry him loose. The cap space from him leaving the GCS would more than likely cover the contract for Dusty and vice versa with the Tigers.

To me it all makes sense, there might not be the the player or picks involved but one thing is certain, Dusty will be playing for the GCS in 2025. The AFL want it to happen, they need a marquee player to help grow the code up north and there's no better marquee player than Dusty, combine that with the most successful coach over the last 6 years and the boffins at AFL house would be jizzing themselves.

Dusty will be a premiership player at the Gold Coast Suns in 2025/2026. Bookmark it.

How many bongs no way gc win a flag in the next two years , even if Jesus was Alive and coaching them they still wouldn’t win. Hardwick is cooked as a coach and the gc will implode again when it fails

 

[Tiger Toffee]

.... not if we were only planning on paying him $600k it wouldn't have been. I still think the $1.5-1.8m contract was a big issue.

Lil reminder buddy

Manager explains why Dusty rejected TWO $11m offers

Three years ago Dustin Martin rejected two AFL clubs to remain a Tiger - one moment proved to him it was the right call.

7news.com.au

It was a decision that continues to pay off for the 29-year-old, who last weekend won his third premiership with Richmond.

“It was $11 million over seven (years from North Melbourne),” Carr told SEN.

“They (Crows) matched that offer. Mark Ricciuto came down to see me and they matched that offer. Then we took less than that to stay at Richmond, which I had to talk Dusty into.

“I gave him the equation of what we could make outside of football, which I thought was a lot better and I thought Richmond were a better club and better equipped to take him to where he wanted to go.”

Carr explained that as Dusty closed in on making his contract decision in 2017, one moment proved that staying was the correct call.

“The last game was against St Kilda (before re-signing) and he got a standing ovation and I think after that game we met for dinner, which we normally do, and he said ‘I think you’re right about staying’,” Carr said.

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If Gold Coast/Dimma/AFL are going to offer him the best financial return, on & off-field and are better equipped to take him where he wants to go - then he will leave. At least that is the way the club should be thinking and planning for. It would be terrible management not to


The above quote is pretty clear that his decision to stay was not all about love and fuzziness. If he stays a Tiger for life, Richmond will / should pay him accordingly

OMFG please stop typing, off course it was about love and fuzziness or he would be somewhere else for the money.

Jon Ralph (Richmond fanatic) is reporting that Richmond are keen to extend Dusty beyond 2025 but he is in “no hurry.”

Going to be a long year listening to and reading this stuff every week.

Let’s hope the mail is correct that he’ll be signing on soon..

When has Carr and Dusty ever been in a hurry, only a long year if you listen to it otherwise it's the funniest stuff ever seeing the media cling to something that's not going to happen.

Dusty will be gone to the GCS next year, the writing is on the wall. It's something that us nuffies have to get our heads around.

The meeting with Dimma was all about planning for that fact. He obviously couldn't/wouldn't get there next year because of two reasons, firstly the GCS couldn't fit him in their cap, secondly Dusty would have wanted to honour his contract for both monetary and loyalty reasons.

Giving himself a year allows both clubs to work out an amicable agreement where both parties win. I'm sure that he would want the Tigers suitably looked after and get financially rewarded for his last playing contract, a 'grandfather deal' if you like. Added to that deal would be the commensurate ambassadorial payments from the AFL, plus the bonus of getting out of the AFL bubble in Vic.

As far as the Tigers getting looked after is concerned, then my simple mind can see a scenario where a player and a pick is involved the deal. I'm not sure of the machinations involved with free agency but I'm sure that Dusty wouldn't go unless the Tigers are suitably compensated, a bit like what CCJ did with his move to North. I don't think it'll just be whatever the AFL deems to be compensation based on contractual terms.

I know I'm assuming a bit here (well, a lot) but if there's a player involved then one Ben King comes to mind, I understand that we've been working on getting him for a couple of years now and the Dusty move might be just the catalyst that's needed to pry him loose. The cap space from him leaving the GCS would more than likely cover the contract for Dusty and vice versa with the Tigers.

To me it all makes sense, there might not be the the player or picks involved but one thing is certain, Dusty will be playing for the GCS in 2025. The AFL want it to happen, they need a marquee player to help grow the code up north and there's no better marquee player than Dusty, combine that with the most successful coach over the last 6 years and the boffins at AFL house would be jizzing themselves.

Dusty will be a premiership player at the Gold Coast Suns in 2025/2026. Bookmark it.

Oh jesus damn christ, not you too.

 

[AstuteTiger]

 

[JackNah_8]

Did Dimma try to poach Martin?

 

[Ctl]

Dimma tried to poach Martin, and apparently Baker and Prestia as well

 

[JackNah_8]

Dimma tried to poach Martin, and apparently Baker and Prestia as well

Dimma was being hopeful lol

He obviously expected few Richmond players to join him

 

[Ctl]

If Martin does leave, its fair enough I suppose. Whilst i'd love him to finish his career in a competitive Richmond outfit that is going deep into september if we remain in the bottom half I can see the appeal of getting out of Melbourne and going to the Gold Coast in a team that should be finals bound.

If he does go with the new CBA surely he is still on 900k+, given his output is still elite and we can get a band 1 compensation pick

 

[Drunken Wookie]

If Martin does leave, its fair enough I suppose. Whilst i'd love him to finish his career in a competitive Richmond outfit that is going deep into september if we remain in the bottom half I can see the appeal of getting out of Melbourne and going to the Gold Coast in a team that should be finals bound.

If he does go with the new CBA surely he is still on 900k+, given his output is still elite and we can get a band 1 compensation pick

afl will tweak their secret herbs and spices compo formula and we'll end up losing a pick.

 

[tiger_tough]

If Martin does leave, its fair enough I suppose. Whilst i'd love him to finish his career in a competitive Richmond outfit that is going deep into september if we remain in the bottom half I can see the appeal of getting out of Melbourne and going to the Gold Coast in a team that should be finals bound.

If he does go with the new CBA surely he is still on 900k+, given his output is still elite and we can get a band 1 compensation pick

afl will tweak their secret herbs and spices compo formula and we'll end up losing a pick.

Nah, Jack Graham will go to Port Adelaide as a free agent and it will cancel out our compo

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Nah, Jack Graham will go to Port Adelaide as a free agent and it will cancel out our compo

Not sure you've thought this through.

 

[Harrison Bergeron]

Dimma tried to poach Martin, and apparently Baker and Prestia as well

Should've let him poach Prestia - then he can get a dozen games a year out of him and half as many good ones.

 

[tiger_tough]

Not sure you've thought this through.

LOL you may be correct, late night.

We'll get Marshall from PA, which will cancel out our compo*

 

[SplintWhisky]

afl will tweak their secret herbs and spices compo formula and we'll end up losing a pick.

Band 5 compo, Gale has to leave his position and is forced to work at the AFL. Our pick is also given to North Melbourne as an equalisation measure for Dusty turning down their offer.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Band 5 compo, Gale has to leave his position and is forced to work at the AFL. Our pick is also given to North Melbourne as an equalisation measure for Dusty turning down their offer.

We have to pay his wages and our players aren't allowed to look at him directly on the field.

 

[Coach_Required]

Dusty to Suns, Suns give us a 1st rounder for him. Kane Cornes and AFL world will lose their collective minds that Gold Coast are giving us a 1st rounder for a 32-year-old.

AFL create a new rule that multiple Norm Smith medalists over 30 years of age can't be traded for a 1st round pick.

Deal Done.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Dusty will be gone to the GCS next year, the writing is on the wall. It's something that us nuffies have to get our heads around.

The meeting with Dimma was all about planning for that fact. He obviously couldn't/wouldn't get there next year because of two reasons, firstly the GCS couldn't fit him in their cap, secondly Dusty would have wanted to honour his contract for both monetary and loyalty reasons.

Giving himself a year allows both clubs to work out an amicable agreement where both parties win. I'm sure that he would want the Tigers suitably looked after and get financially rewarded for his last playing contract, a 'grandfather deal' if you like. Added to that deal would be the commensurate ambassadorial payments from the AFL, plus the bonus of getting out of the AFL bubble in Vic.

As far as the Tigers getting looked after is concerned, then my simple mind can see a scenario where a player and a pick is involved the deal. I'm not sure of the machinations involved with free agency but I'm sure that Dusty wouldn't go unless the Tigers are suitably compensated, a bit like what CCJ did with his move to North. I don't think it'll just be whatever the AFL deems to be compensation based on contractual terms.

I know I'm assuming a bit here (well, a lot) but if there's a player involved then one Ben King comes to mind, I understand that we've been working on getting him for a couple of years now and the Dusty move might be just the catalyst that's needed to pry him loose. The cap space from him leaving the GCS would more than likely cover the contract for Dusty and vice versa with the Tigers.

To me it all makes sense, there might not be the the player or picks involved but one thing is certain, Dusty will be playing for the GCS in 2025. The AFL want it to happen, they need a marquee player to help grow the code up north and there's no better marquee player than Dusty, combine that with the most successful coach over the last 6 years and the boffins at AFL house would be jizzing themselves.

Dusty will be a premiership player at the Gold Coast Suns in 2025/2026. Bookmark it.

Your true calling would be writing novels for Mills and Boon.

 

[SunshineBoy]

Did Dimma try to poach Martin?

Of course he did and people on here still think he’s a great bloke