40 and 2

[LandOfTheGiants]

Following on from the infamous 20 and 3 thread i'd like to present a new challenge, a fresh challenge that only a great midfielder of our game could possibly accomplish and thus eliminate Hodgepodge's argument of Lethal Leigh Matthews 20 and 3 deeds as heroic.

I present Gary Ablett Jnr as being the first player in the history of our game to average 40 possessions and 2 goals a game over an entire 22 game season.

Will the great man continue his exploits or will he fall in a hole and fail to deliver the greatest individual season in the history of our great game.

Discuss.

 

[oogac]

Playing GWS twice and getting averaging 200 and 10 over the 2 games would certainly help his season average.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Higher ratio of kicks mean you'll get fewer possessions. Hence for all that Ablett averages about 12 more possessions than Lethal in 1978 for example, he only averages 1 more kick.

So it's actually easier than ever to 20 and 3, yet it still seems impossible to do!

 

[LandOfTheGiants]

Playing GWS twice and getting averaging 200 and 10 over the 2 games would certainly help his season average.

That sir is just an idiotic statement, considering only 1 player from the 44 that have played against this team has gathered 40 possessions. It doesn't matter who the little genius plays against in any case. He takes on and beats all comers, all day, every match.

 

[joe444]

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[LandOfTheGiants]

Higher ratio of kicks mean you'll get fewer possessions. Hence for all that Ablett averages about 12 more possessions than Lethal in 1978 for example, he only averages 1 more kick.

So it's actually easier than ever to 20 and 3, yet it still seems impossible to do!

But Matthews played full forward which was easier to average the 3 goals a game plus the ball was always down that end, hence the 20 possession average.
Ablett plays in an ordinary side which would make his 40 and 2 accomplishment even more remarkable.

 

[Hodgepodge]

But Matthews played full forward which was easier to average the 3 goals a game plus the ball was always down that end, hence the 20 possession average.

Yeah, right . . .

Ablett plays in an ordinary side which would make his 40 and 2 accomplishment even more remarkable.

How does playing in an ordinary side decrease your possession rate?

 

[Two Eyes]

Matthews wouldn't come within a sniff of a 40 and 2 in any era. Thread subscribed.

 

[LandOfTheGiants]

Yeah, right . . .

I used to follow Hawthorn! Matthews played the majority of his career as a full forward with the occasional role as a rover.

How does playing in an ordinary side decrease your possession rate?

Are you serious? When you play in an average side with less efficient skills and players with ball winning ability, your side spends a lesser amount of time in possession of the ball. It just goes to show how good Ablett really is when he went to a team full of kids and actually improves his disposal count.

Leigh Matthews would have struggled to average 20 and 3 in any season playing in a team of Gold Coasts ilk.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Are you serious? When you play in an average side with less efficient skills and players with ball winning ability, your side spends a lesser amount of time in possession of the ball.

Again, how does being in a poorer side affect your possession numbers? Even if your side has less of the ball, that doesn't necessarily mean you will.

We see it all the time. Of the 9 top possession averages last year, 4 were from bottom 4 teams.

 

[LandOfTheGiants]

Again, how does being in a poorer side affect your possession numbers? Even if your side has less of the ball, that doesn't necessarily mean you will.

We see it all the time. Of the 9 top possession averages last year, 4 were from bottom 4 teams.

Those players didn't have a group of 18 yr old kids trying to block for them either.

Stick to the thread topic or risk being carded.

Ablett jnr 40 and 2>>>>>>>>Matthews 20 and 3.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Those players didn't have a group of 18 yr old kids trying to block for them either.

What difference does that make? They're bottom 4 teams with players getting a heap of the ball.

Given that only 4/18 teams are in the bottom 4, the fact that 4 of the top 10 possession earners are in bottom 4 teams suggest that being in a bottom 4 team is an advantage in terms of possession gathering.

Please correct yourself.

 

[LandOfTheGiants]

What difference does that make? They're bottom 4 teams with players getting a heap of the ball.

Given that only 4/18 teams are in the bottom 4, the fact that 4 of the top 10 possession earners are in bottom 4 teams suggest that being in a bottom 4 team is an advantage in terms of possession gathering.

Please correct yourself.

How is 40% an advantage when 60% of the top possession gatherers aren't playing for 1 of the bottom 4 clubs, thus making the 40% bottom 4 as quite the opposite of your statement.

 

[LandOfTheGiants]

Anyway your straying from the topic.

Will Ablett produce the greatest individual season ever and go 40 and 2?

I say yes. He is currently 41 and 2.

 

[Collingw2010d]

If he's not averaging 40 and 2 this year, you have to really think if he'll be there in 2013.

 

[bignick]

You dont have to be a Rhodes Scholar to work out 40 and 2 is harder to achieve than 20 and 3.

Playing in a bottom 4 side would make it even tougher.

 

[Hodgepodge]

How is 40% an advantage when 60% of the top possession gatherers aren't playing for 1 of the bottom 4 clubs

Because the 60% are under representing in terms of possession gathering. They're representing 77% of the league and only 60% of its top possie getters.

 

[Tyler Durden007]

So exactly why is a GWS flog talking up Scablett, the crapstain of their rivals in the expansion stakes?

Both of your teams are nothing and don't deserve commentary

 

[Boxhead_31]

Again, how does being in a poorer side affect your possession numbers? Even if your side has less of the ball, that doesn't necessarily mean you will.

We see it all the time. Of the 9 top possession averages last year, 4 were from bottom 4 teams.

Here is where HP's lack of footballing knowledge shines through.

Here it is for you to understand HP if one team is constantly getting dominated by the teams that they play they have control of the ball for a greatly reduced period of time, thus making it vastly more difficult for players of the team being dominated week in week out to gain massive personal stat numbers because they just don't have control of the ball and when they do have control of the ball they are always under pressure and they cannot keep control of the ball as easily as teams like the Mayblooms during Matthews time who had control of most games they played

 

[LandOfTheGiants]

So exactly why is a GWS flog talking up Scablett, the crapstain of their rivals in the expansion stakes?

Both of your teams are nothing and don't deserve commentary

He's currently the best player in the game and a player who is averaging 40 and 2 in 2012.

That should be fairly obvious from a supporter who once immortalized the little champ.

 

[Tyler Durden007]

He's currently the best player in the game and a player who is averaging 40 and 2 in 2012.

That should be fairly obvious from a supporter who once immortalized the little champ.

I never immortalized him.

His overriding motivation is for the "self", It was never surprising given the Ablett genes, but even though it seemed inevitable, it was very sad to see it fulfilled.

I hope the greedy, selfish little **** never sees another final in his playing days

 

[LandOfTheGiants]

I never immortalized him.

His overriding motivation is for the "self", It was never surprising given the Ablett genes, but even though it seemed inevitable, it was very sad to see it fulfilled.

I hope the greedy, selfish little **** never sees another final in his playing days

Yea i'm sure that was the case. So you abused Ablett jnr the whole time he played for Geelong and booed him whenever he went near the ball?


So if one of your children quit their job at the opportunity at a greater salary, you'd repeat the same vitriol you speak about the greatest midfielder ever to play our game.

You need to grow up a fraction old mate.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Here it is for you to understand HP if one team is constantly getting dominated by the teams that they play they have control of the ball for a greatly reduced period of time, thus making it vastly more difficult for players of the team being dominated week in week out to gain massive personal stat numbers because they just don't have control of the ball

That may be so, but it's only one factor that you have considered to the exclusion of all else.

In any case, the discussion isn't on team possessions, but individual possessions.

And it's empirically shown that there is no disadvantage in terms of accruing massive numbers of possessions by being in a Bottom 4 side.

In fact it may even be an advantage.

4 of the top 10 possession getters from last year were from Bottom 4 sides, so you have 40% of the players from only 22% of the competition in the top 10 possession getters in the AFL. Players from Bottom 4 teams are therefore over represented in terms of this stat, suggesting it's easier to get more ball in a bottom 4 side.

 

[DTRAIN87]

What difference does that make? They're bottom 4 teams with players getting a heap of the ball.

Given that only 4/18 teams are in the bottom 4, the fact that 4 of the top 10 possession earners are in bottom 4 teams suggest that being in a bottom 4 team is an advantage in terms of possession gathering.

Please correct yourself.

So therefore Luke Hodge was at an advantage when he won his All Australian position in 2005 in a shitkicker side?

 

[Hodgepodge]

So therefore Luke Hodge was at an advantage when he won his All Australian position in 2005 in a shitkicker side?

Whenever I read a post starting with the word 'so', I know some faulty logic is coming up.

It just doesn't follow at all - AAs weren't and aren't handed out on raw possession numbers.