Play Nice 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: Here we go again!

[Gethelred]

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USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

Continued from Part 1 - https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-us-presidential-election-trump-vs-harris.1383317/

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USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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< - Trump 19 is back there.

 

[Gethelred]

I mean, I'm further left than you are IlovethePies. Why on EARTH would you think I support the democrats?

 

[Celebrity 101]

It’s like half of the people in here are trying to apply to be Whoopi Goldbergs new partner with their rage and contempt towards Trump.

Hey guess what, Trump won. Try quote me fake stats like some have that Biden was so good for the economy, immigration and American people.

He was that good and regarded that highly by Americans that they voted him and Kamala out.

Hahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhaha

 

[zumahawk]

It’s like half of the people in here are trying to apply to be Whoopi Goldbergs new partner with their rage and contempt towards Trump.

Hey guess what, Trump won. Try quote me fake stats like some have that Biden was so good for the economy, immigration and American people.

He was that good and regarded that highly by Americans that they voted him and Kamala out.

Hahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhaha

True, they voted him in. 4 years ago they turfed him out. Everything is temporary no point getting worked up about it either way.

 

[IlovethePies]

I mean, I'm further left than you are IlovethePies. Why on EARTH would you think I support the democrats?

You are not further left from me. You are caught in the web of identity politics. I picture you as a reader of Jacobin, and a supporter of the DSA and maybe Sanders.

 

[Gethelred]

You are not further left from me. You are caught in the web of identity politics. I picture you as a reader of Jacobin, and a supporter of the DSA and maybe Sanders.

I'm a Kropotkin anarchist. I am absolutely more left wing than you are.

What I am also is someone who actually gives a shit about the persons to my left and right in the worker's struggle. You have to, because those people ARE the struggle just as much as you are.

 

[faible]

You are not further left from me. You are caught in the web of identity politics. I picture you as a reader of Jacobin, and a supporter of the DSA and maybe Sanders.

I'm a Kropotkin anarchist. I am absolutely more left wing than you are.

What I am also is someone who actually gives a shit about the persons to my left and right in the worker's struggle. You have to, because those people ARE the struggle just as much as you are.

It’s a LEFT OFF

 

[Gethelred]

It’s a LEFT OFF

Southpaws Unite!

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I'm a Kropotkin anarchist. I am absolutely more left wing than you are.

What I am also is someone who actually gives a shit about the persons to my left and right in the worker's struggle. You have to, because those people ARE the struggle just as much as you are.

Bro, you're a centrist

 

[Episode IV]

misinformation. You have 24 hours to provide evidence that Jack is a troll and a half.

True. Trolls in dungeons and Dragons regenerate, so he's either one troll or two. Trolls can't remain a half for long, so that statement is obviously false.
That's some astute moderation there.

 

[IlovethePies]

Reading Gethelred's post again, it sounds exactly like a popular front that he is advocating, a 'peoples' coalition's where supposedly CEO's will follow their moral responsibilies and will go arm in arm with racist black nationalists to help the working class create a better world.
It also assumes that racist black nationalists will come to the aid of whites, whom they regard as oppressors and enslavers even a worker on 30000 per annum, just by virtue of their skin colour.
This is a make believe world and a totally bankrupt political perspective because it utterly rejects any notion of class. Expect another snip

 

[IlovethePies]

I'm a Kropotkin anarchist. I am absolutely more left wing than you are.

What I am also is someone who actually gives a shit about the persons to my left and right in the worker's struggle. You have to, because those people ARE the struggle just as much as you are.

So you are for a red and brown alliance?

 

[faible]

Reading Gethelred's post again, it sounds exactly like a popular front that he is advocating, a 'peoples' coalition's where supposedly CEO's will follow their moral responsibilies and will go arm in arm with racist black nationalists to help the working class create a better world.
It also assumes that racist black nationalists will come to the aid of whites, whom they regard as oppressors and enslavers even a worker on 30000 per annum, just by virtue of their skin colour.
This is a make believe world and a totally bankrupt political perspective because it utterly rejects any notion of class. Expect another snip

Nothing you’re arguing is likely to happen in practice, so it’s all rather academic.

 

[IlovethePies]

Nothing you’re arguing is likely to happen in practice, so it’s all rather academic.

I think you meant nothing like Gethelred is proposing will ever happen.

 

[JackOutback]

But thinking Harris would have led to a viable future for them was just as insane.

The US working class was faced with this choice: death from Harris by a (slower, perhaps, asphyxiation) , or death from Trump by a machine gun.

They chose Trump for the moment because the man with the machine gun at least recognised their suffering, and that was enough to conceal the presence of the machine gun. For the moment. This won't last though. The machine gun will soon become visible and obvious.

This is the kind of both sidesism that the media has engaged in that has allowed Trump to flourish, the idea that there’s hardly any difference between the two so why not go for the wacky character promising you the moon. The Democrats are far from perfect, but Biden’s measured approach to coat of living provided a much better outcome than Trump’s unstable, incoherent approach to COVID did. Being an ‘establishment’ politician means the rule of law is maintained as opposed to Trump undermining elections at every turn. And Harris’ policies exist in the realms of actual possibility as opposed to Trump’s imaginary tariff solution to everything or blaming everything on migrants.

The two sides are not the same, that argument might have been applicable before Trump, it’s not now.

 

[ElectricG]

Fine I admit it. I’m a communist

 

[JackOutback]

There are significant differences between the criminal and civil courts in the USA with regard to the burden of proof.

Yes, many rapists walk free because our criminal justice system is rightly underpinned by the notion that something must be proved beyond all reasonable doubt in order to remove someone’s freedoms. Trump was just found on the balance of probabilities to have committed sexual assault by a jury and judge.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Fine I admit it. I’m a communist

Keep going comrade!

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Jemelle was onto something here. I wonder what happened during that week?

 

[Osho]

Yes, many rapists walk free because our criminal justice system is rightly underpinned by the notion that something must be proved beyond all reasonable doubt in order to remove someone’s freedoms. Trump was just found on the balance of probabilities to have committed sexual assault by a jury and judge.

As I understand it, Trump was found liable for (civil), rather than guilty of (criminal), sexual assault (the court I believe has further explained this can be considered as rape).

 

[Osho]

Jemelle was onto something here. I wonder what happened during that week?

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A lot can happen in 6 days.

 

[Gethelred]

Reading Gethelred's post again, it sounds exactly like a popular front that he is advocating, a 'peoples' coalition's where supposedly CEO's will follow their moral responsibilies and will go arm in arm with racist black nationalists to help the working class create a better world.
It also assumes that racist black nationalists will come to the aid of whites, whom they regard as oppressors and enslavers even a worker on 30000 per annum, just by virtue of their skin colour.
This is a make believe world and a totally bankrupt political perspective because it utterly rejects any notion of class. Expect another snip

That's extremely brave of you, posting about me without tagging me. Look at how well it worked.

You've got a few choices now. Do you a) try to misrepresent my argument for your supposed audience - the ones you're talking to here - again, in order to appear what? Even more disingenuous than you already do, b) admit to trying something on and commit to actually argue your points instead of trying to slip a few balls in the pockets when I'm not looking, or c) double down and see if you can make the world series for strawmen.

You said before that I was rude and abusive before. You, sir, have inspired me with your deep intellectual cowardice here to see where I can really make you weep.

 

[Blue1980]

Ilikepotatoes might be a Leninist who doesn't realise that there is no American left but he's right. Identity politics might be big on social media but it's a fringe issue which I'm not sure is all that popular anyway.

No I do largely agree with him.

I just think you can give rights to marginalised groups without coming over as a virtue signalling condescending w***er.

 

[Blue1980]

Another assassination attempt, wow

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/11/08/trump-iran-arrested-assassination-attempt/

But I thought the FBI were corrupt against Trump?

 

[Blue1980]

Trump of course should have been instantly qualified after Jan 6th. Anyone else would have been.

The Democrats underated how sick and evil Trump is. To continue to lie about an election result for 4 years is sick. Another instantly disqualifying issue for anyone else.

We have to accept we are the minority now, democracy takes a back seat now.

 

[Blue1980]

However Trump won't make life more affordable for them.

Irrelevant, they blame the incumbent government for the current issues, it’s always been the case.