5th Test Border Gavaskar Trophy January 3-7 1000hrs @ the SCG

[Gethelred]

20 years ago. Has something changed since then?

... quite a bit, mate. Your career doesn't quite predate mine, but it comes close.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

... quite a bit, mate. Your career doesn't quite predate mine, but it comes close.

There's probably less sledging nowadays.

 

[Chuckie357]

Good umpiring I thought during the confrontation. Joel Wilson would’ve just let blokes walk past him….because he wouldn’t have seen them and his guide dog would’ve been talking a

 

[Bedi]

Awful by Usman, might be time to call it on his career, been completely hopeless this entire series.

8, 4, 13, 9, 21, 8, 57, 21, and now 2.

Simply not good enough, he has been shielded by the poor play of other players but the heat needs to rise on Khawaja's spot in this team.

his 57 last test was an important knock.

 

[BangyBangy]

I played senior cricket for years umpired as well ,so I'm not sure where you're going with this.
He wouldn't last long in grade cricket with his attitude.

Lolol. Ah yeah, he probably would, just based off skill & talent I reckon he'd go ok in the Banyule CC 4ths.

But it's a moot point. He doesn't have to. He's playing international cricket now.....

 

[Gethelred]

There's probably less sledging nowadays.

Doubt it.

 

[troybe]

Ginniven is actually a premiership player so probably not the best example

Well fvcken la di da

 

[AJ_2000]

Totally different games but in Korean League of Legends the best teams are very similar to Bumrah. Clinical, constricting and unrelenting. The only real way of beating them is to turn it into a total clown show so they don't know how to react and do some dumb stuff themselves.

Interesting analogy, just curious as how you turn league of legends into a clown show

 

[AJ_2000]

I don’t understand why Kohli is so mad at Konstas.

Sam has said publicly that Kohli is his favourite player.

One would think that Kohli would be happy that a young player would be a fan and seek to emulate his aggressive, cocky attitude.

Kohli uses this approach in the field to energise the team. It's been one of the reasons around India's post Sachin success.

He can't back it up anymore and is pretty much finished - so like all bad losers they can't see the hypocrisy in their actions.

 

[NSWCROW]

Sammy walking off today like

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Interesting analogy, just curious as how you turn league of legends into a clown show

Well there's champions which you would call 'meta' at different times in League of Legends, essentially the best champions in the game at the time - In this comparison they would represent traditional defensive/technical batting in test cricket... The tried-and-true method that's withstood the test of time.

Then there's the 'off meta' which consists of random champions that have huge flaws but can be ridiculously strong in the right circumstances... It's just harder to make it work - In this case, Konstas belting Bumrah around the park like a birthday piñata.

In simple terms, the meta picks will win out most of the time and given the Koreans are by far the best at playing this way they generally win most major tournaments, but every now and then comes a team that thrives in the chaos of playing off meta nonsense which confuses the Koreans a bit as they're only used to practicing against the meta champions and disruption from the norm throws them off a bit - Konstas dancing down the pitch to Bumrah so he can't just bowl his length and snick off players at will.

I guess in a sense its a bit like the Aussies vs Bazball... Playing percentages vs playing like a bunch of drunk campaigners and hoping it comes off with a stroke of luck.

 

[reubski23]

It’s disingenuous to put the behaviour of Konstas and Kohli on the same level…pure sophistry

Kohli walked up to a debutante and shoulder charged him…I’ve never seen that in 4 decades of Teat cricket

If you lack the nuance to separate that from some kid being annoying, then you’re part of the problem

Did you not see Glenn McGrath do that to Matt Hayden? Or vs the Sri Lankan Batman the year after. It happened before in cricket. Rabada vs Smith. Let’s not act like it’s never happened previously

It’s all a bit of theatre let’s all calm down.

I maintain that we fkd up a bit at the end of the day with our antics - those who are saying Bumrah the greatest fast bowler since McGrath is rattled by a 19 year old - obviously only watched the first innings at the G and not the second. Nor 3 balls later today

 

[SSwans2011]

Can't believe all the pearl clutching about Konstas on here.

India have played combative cricket all series (which is fine within reason btw) and as soon as someone does it for us, our own fans crack the sads.

It's just like the ball tampering saga. Australian cricket holds its players to a ridiculously different standard to other fan bases, and wait with baited breath to be outraged when they fail to live up to those completely arbitrary standards.

It's stupid and toxic.

 

[Bedi]

He's an antagonist, but what i will say in Konstas' defence is that he seems to respect the boundary of what goes on the field stays on the field. So you get the feeling he'd have enough respect to seek out Bumrah for a beer (or whatever) post game as he did with Kohli

 

[Greendogg5]

Yes but the bowler also needs to be aware of the batsman taking guard before they charge in. Bumrah hurried madly back to his mark and turned around without even seeing if Khawaja was ready.

Don't think Usman was in the wrong there, although inadvertently did Bumrah a favour in letting him focus properly on last two balls. Gilly called it perfectly.

To be fair. How on Earth can he not be ready by the time bumrah is back at his mark? It's just pure time wasting, and all teams do it and what can the umpires do about it? Seemingly nothing. I'd like to see someone really just take the Mick one day and continuously pull away to force some sort of change with this.

I wonder if over rates can be helped by an addition of an equivalent to the baseball pitch clock... Haven't given it too much thought but maybe 5 run penalty either way

 

[SSwans2011]

What reason is acceptable to mouth off at Bumrah? He's one of the fairest players in cricket.
It makes our reputation worse than it is. We are cheats with sandpaper remember.

Hate to have you on my cricket team if you think external reputation is more important than sticking up for your teammate when the opposition is having a crack at them.

Should Konstas have also celebrated with the Indian team when they got Khawaja out?

 

[golions]

There are some serious trolls on this thread…the behaviour of the Indian cricket team in this series has been worse than I can ever remember from The Ugly Australians of yesteryear

Yet here they are, consistently blaming the Australians for bad choices from an entitled, rattled, in-fighting Indian team staring down the barrel of consecutive series losses and hysterically looking to start a fight to distract their supporter base from their shite performance

I suspect a lot of them are low-key Indian, English or Kiwi fans campaigning against past hurts, which is fine, but at least declare your loyalty…I’m fine with people being biased, just don’t pretend you’re not

You know who you are…

It's pretty easy to have a houlier than thou attitude when Australia always get away with it as they have over the years...
(I mean less than 10 years ago - the Australian team thought it was fine to literally take sandpaper on to the field to tamper with the ball - that's pretty brazen)

Dennis Lillee and Rod Marsh were the first players recorded to match fix (in England) - no penalty
vs
Mohammad Amir - jailed (in England) at age 19 for spot fixing


Mark Waugh and Shane Warne received money from bookmakers - no penalty
vs
Hansie Cronje receives money from bookmakers - banned from cricket for life

Glenn McGrath calling Sanath Jayasuriya a Black Monkey
[Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/2665599.stm - this claim is published in a book in Australia - Glenn McGrath denied it of course and threatened legal action but never actually took it of course (probably because it actually did happen) and the book continued to be published in Australia]

Underarm incident

Steve Waugh's mental disintegration

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I don't think the Indian behaviour on this tour is worse than any of the above - aside from Kohli shoulder barging Konstas which was disgraceful - but again probably not any worse than what Lillee did to Miandad in Perth...

 

[Bedi]

What a pathetic miserable bunch of campaigners the Indians are.

I'd probably be the same if I had to live in that sh*thole though

Spend a week on Gokarna beach, Hampi or the foothills of the Himalayas and you'll quickly realise it's not a shithole.

 

[beatnik]

Did you not see Glenn McGrath do that to Matt Hayden? Or vs the Sri Lankan Batman the year after. It happened before in cricket. Rabada vs Smith. Let’s not act like it’s never happened previously

It’s all a bit of theatre let’s all calm down.

I maintain that we fkd up a bit at the end of the day with our antics - those who are saying Bumrah the greatest fast bowler since McGrath is rattled by a 19 year old - obviously only watched the first innings at the G and not the second. Nor 3 balls later today

No, I’m saying Bumrah is the captain and let himself down…I’d be scathing of Cummins if he’d behaved like that…the double standards in world cricket are appalling

 

[nobbyiscool]

I'd love to think that Konstas' brashness extends to his own team as well.

Khawaja deserved a whack, he made them both look like idiots by failing to survive one more ball.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

No, I’m saying Bumrah is the captain and let himself down…I’d be scathing of Cummins if he’d behaved like that…the double standards in world cricket are appalling

How has Bumrah let himself down?

 

[nobbyiscool]

It's probably for the best that I didn't end up going to Sydney this weekend. I would've gone to days 2 & 3, and really struggled to pull myself back to Melbourne if we had a game on going into Monday. Would've turned into an expensive few days.

Can't wait for play to start tomorrow. Even as an unabashed fan boy and defender of test cricket, I don't think I've ever been as excited for test cricket as I have been this week.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

How has Bumrah let himself down?

Carrying on like a pork chop to a teenager all because he launched him for a couple of 6s and dared play unconventional cricket on debut?>

 

[Manbearpig77]

Great first day’s cricket. What a fantastic series.

 

[beatnik]

It's pretty easy to have a houlier than thou attitude when Australia always get away with it as they have over the years...
(I mean less than 10 years ago - the Australian team thought it was fine to literally take sandpaper on to the field to tamper with the ball - that's pretty brazen)

Dennis Lillee and Rod Marsh were the first players recorded to match fix (in England) - no penalty
vs
Mohammad Amir - jailed (in England) at age 19 for spot fixing


Mark Waugh and Shane Warne received money from bookmakers - no penalty
vs
Hansie Cronje receives money from bookmakers - banned from cricket for life

Glenn McGrath calling Sanath Jayasuriya a Black Monkey
[Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/2665599.stm - this claim is published in a book in Australia - Glenn McGrath denied it of course and threatened legal action but never actually took it of course (probably because it actually did happen) and the book continued to be published in Australia]

Underarm incident

Steve Waugh's mental disintegration

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I don't think the Indian behaviour on this tour is worse than any of the above - aside from Kohli shoulder barging Konstas which was disgraceful - but again probably not any worse than what Lillee did to Miandad in Perth...

As per the The Grade Cricketer podcast tonight:

“If your defence against murder is ‘what about all the other murders?’ Then you’re in big trouble”

Excusing the behaviour of this current bunch of Indian coats because of something that happened literally 3 decades ago is morally repugnant