5th Test Border Gavaskar Trophy January 3-7 1000hrs @ the SCG

[Soggy2112]

He was taking the piss when fielding at short leg and when Kwarja got out.
He can bat however he likes but he looked silly going out when slogging and he's only averaging 29 in 4 innings.
For the want of a better phrase he needs to be able to walk the walk before he starts talking imo.

When he was at short leg did he say anything abusive, aggressive or offensive, or make any threats towards the batter?

No, he was just being a pest. Which is 100% fine. In fact, I thought the counting bat taps thing was actually a clever mind game to distract Jaiswal. I have no idea if it worked or not but again, it wasn’t rude, it wasn’t aggressive, it wasn’t offensive, just annoying. And you’re allowed to be annoying as a fielder.

What happened with Bumrah he shouldn’t have done. But nor should the Indians have responded the way they did. And if we’re discussing behaviour, I have far more tolerance for a 19 year old who has gotten carried away and will probably look back on some of this stuff when he’s older and regret it, then I do a 36 year old with all the experience that Kohli has.

Besides, the Kohli incident happened before Konstas had done anything towards the Indians other than play some expansive shots.

Lastly, he’s actually only gotten out playing a non-orthodox shot once. And in the fifth test, only two players scored more runs than him. So realistically, his strike rate so far is pretty good. I agree, he made a tactical error in the second innings, however if he’d played a series of hook and pull shots, or cover drives successfully throughout his four innings, and then he gloved or skied one would there be the same scrutiny on him? So why is this shot any different? Players like Pant and Brook have shown that this is a method that can actually work at Test level. He just probably needs to pick the moments a bit better next time.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

How do you feel about Jaiswal telling Starc to bowl faster?

Good banter between two great competitors.

 

[philreich]

Great series by our lads.

I imagine all those who repeatedly said we'd choked the series away will be fronting up with concessions shortly.

More likely we'll get "we only won cause Bumrah got injured", the same ones who wouldn't acknowledge Lyon's injury in the Ashes.

Those people should cast their frail little minds back to how lucky India were that the weather intervened in Brisbane.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

When he was at short leg did he say anything abusive, aggressive or offensive, or make any threats towards the batter?

No, he was just being a pest. Which is 100% fine. In fact, I thought the counting bat taps thing was actually a clever mind game to distract Jaiswal. I have no idea if it worked or not but again, it wasn’t rude, it wasn’t aggressive, it wasn’t offensive, just annoying. And you’re allowed to be annoying as a fielder.

What happened with Bumrah he shouldn’t have done. But nor should the Indians have responded the way they did. And if we’re discussing behaviour, I have far more tolerance for a 19 year old who has gotten carried away and will probably look back on some of this stuff when he’s older and regret it, then I do a 36 year old with all the experience that Kohli has.

Besides, the Kohli incident happened before Konstas had done anything towards the Indians other than play some expansive shots.

Lastly, he’s actually only gotten out playing a non-orthodox shot once. And in the fifth test, only two players scored more runs than him. So realistically, his strike rate so far is pretty good. I agree, he made a tactical error in the second innings, however if he’d played a series of hook and pull shots, or cover drives successfully throughout his four innings, and then he gloved or skied one would there be the same scrutiny on him? So why is this shot any different? Players like Pant and Brook have shown that this is a method that can actually work at Test level. He just probably needs to pick the moments a bit better next time.

Yeah but most would agree he needs to pull his head in.

 

[Soggy2112]

How do you feel about Jaiswal telling Starc to bowl faster?

Good example. Starc demonstrated how you would expect an experienced player of his quality to handle that.

He didn’t lose his cool, just got his own back with the ball and gave Jaiswal a little wink and a nudge every time to remind him.

I also loved it from Jaiswal, the fact is in that innings it did look like the pace of Starc was comfortable for him, and I have no issue with a young player flexing his muscles a little bit and letting the opposition know that he isn’t intimidated.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

What I cant stand is the double standards given to Kohli by the media and (Indian) cricket fans in general

Might have the aussie glasses on but it seems that he can carry on like a dickhead and everyone seems to love it (oh, he's a competitive beast etc). Yet if an Australian player carried on like that, he would be roasted.

The shoulder incident on Konstas - was barely was raised by the media and certainly there was very little on Social Media from the Indian fans about it and nothing said form the BCCI.

Yet I've raised it before - what would have happened if it was Starc who dropped his shoulder into (say) KL Rahul? You can just imagine the outrage that would have happened. The BCCI would have bene in uproar.

Would he have been suspended I wonder?

Given that Kohli had form in this area previously, he should have been suspended. Some say to move on but you simply cannot do that on the cricket field.

It's amazing the change that money brings. Growing up in the 70's and 80's the kings of cricket were the might West indies, no one could get near them. Then the Aussies and the Poms were the next big cricket countries.
India at that time and pretty much throughout cricket history had been a third world cricket country. they produced some good players and were almost impossible to beat in india but they were not regarded as a big player in the game.

Now look at India since they have found money all of a sudden they are one of the big teams if not the biggest and the once mighty Windies are a third world cricket country.

The point is here that money brings relaxed rules for the ones with it. Kohli incident just shows this.
And it also means the little cannot grow and the big just keep getting bigger.

Money as great as it is does a lot of damage to sport.

 

[Soggy2112]

Yeah but most would agree he needs to pull his head in.

Why though?

In the instance of him mouthing off at Bumrah yes.

If him being an annoying pest is going to put a batter off the game, then what’s the issue?

 

[ABAB]

Good banter between two great competitors.

I don't think you understand what is considered mouthing off? That's consider mouthing off but Konstas wasn't, now if Konstas had said "he need to get ready with your bent arm action" then that's consider mouthing off.

 

[sr36]

He wasn't shoulder charged ,he was bumped into very mildly, he wasn't sledged either. He was told to stfu when he got involved with Bumrah and Kawarja and so he should have according to Border, Ponting and Mark Waugh.

Sledged was the wrong term, but he was being chirped at continually to try to get under his skin and it wasn't working so Virat took it up a notch by making a bee line for him and bumping into him to try to put him off his game.

In that test, it was remarkable. A couple of Indian stars were done over mentally by a debutant. Virat was chirping continually at Konstas. Virat should have gotten rubbed out for a game because he couldn't hack that a kid was batting audaciously and wasn't responded to his pressure. And then when Konstas was in the field he annoyed Jaiswal with his chirping so much that it resulted in Jaiswal losing the plot and playing a couple of shocking shots in an attempt to ping the ball into Konstas at silly point.

You seem to think senior players should be allowed to play mind games with youngsters and newbies should just defer without playing any mind games of their own.

 

[sr36]

Good example. Starc demonstrated how you would expect an experienced player of his quality to handle that.

He didn’t lose his cool, just got his own back with the ball and gave Jaiswal a little wink and a nudge every time to remind him.

I also loved it from Jaiswal, the fact is in that innings it did look like the pace of Starc was comfortable for him, and I have no issue with a young player flexing his muscles a little bit and letting the opposition know that he isn’t intimidated.

Yeah it was great. Jaiswal is going to be an absolute star for a long time.

 

[Joffaboy]

He wasn't shoulder charged ,he was bumped into very mildly, he wasn't sledged either. He was told to stfu when he got involved with Bumrah and Kawarja and so he should have according to Border, Ponting and Mark Waugh.

He Kohli dropped a shoulder into him, unprovoked and veered toward him to do it.

Absolutely done to bully and intimidate. Coward/Bully act. Didn't see him try that against a 194 cm 100k bloke tonking the Indians about in his first innings. Webster could bend the little clown into a pretzel

Kohli is a bully and a has been. A total wash that should have been told to go two years go. I hope they keep him for another three years, a free wicket nowadays.

Poor old Virattled, a shell of the player and person he used to be. Will be remembered as a bitter, sour, sad old cricketer who became a punch line.

 

[Joffaboy]

Why though?

In the instance of him mouthing off at Bumrah yes.

If him being an annoying pest is going to put a batter off the game, then what’s the issue?

Its called Test cricket for a reason. A test of skill, endurance, and temperament. Close in fielders have always chirped, a bat has to put that out of their mind. The fielding team and bowlers are trying to end the batters career by any legal means possible.
There is no law against encouraging your own bowlers or says things like ' come on boys, it's coming' etc etc. It may be annoying but it is TEST cricket. If its too hot to watch, T20 is on 24/7 somewhere.

 

[reggie]

He Kohli dropped a shoulder into him, unprovoked and veered toward him to do it.

Absolutely done to bully and intimidate. Coward/Bully act. Didn't see him try that against a 194 cm 100k bloke tonking the Indians about in his first innings.

Kohli is a bully and a has been. A total wash that should have been told to go two years go. I hope they keep him for another three years, a free wicket nowadays.

Poor old Virattled, a shell of the player and person he used to be. Will be remembered as a bitter, sour, sad old cricketer who became a punch line.

I think when Virat walked at Konstas he fully expected Konstas to step aside or pull away and then he would have given him a spray for being intimidated. When he didn't move Virat dropped the shoulder and acted as though it was Konstas's fault. Guaranteed there will be some hero in club cricket that does the same thing in the next couple of weeks and expects to get a slap on the wrist like Kohli did

 

[Joffaboy]

I think when Virat walked at Konstas he fully expected Konstas to step aside or pull away and then he would have given him a spray for being intimidated. When he didn't move Virat dropped the shoulder and acted as though it was Konstas's fault. Guaranteed there will be some hero in club cricket that does the same thing in the next couple of weeks and expects to get a slap on the wrist like Kohli did

Batsman owns the pitch and sour old Virattled looked like a stupid old fool.

Do what he did in club cricket and the batman may well drop the gloves like in ice Hockey, and start throwing hands.

 

[Caj]

Nah it wasn't good from Kohli but McGrath , Warner and others would do simular. The mistake Kohli made was touching him, he should have just said 'shut your mouth muther ****er' like Bumrah did.

Can you show us one instance where McGrath or Warner shoulder charged an opposition player?

On a separate note, I’m surprised you didn’t start a thread naming this as the worst test series you’ve ever seen

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Good banter between two great competitors.

I’m going to regret asking you this, but what is the difference between Konstas v Bumrah and Jaiswal v Starc?

 

[JackFlash]

I always find it amusing those who use the LOL'd emoji without any comment, is this because they have no opinion on something? I repeat, Konstas needs a good talking too, he can't just keep opening up going and the tonk from the outset. I'm sure he's not an idiot, 113 runs at 28 in 2 Tests isn't all that flattering when you think about it. He has some learning to do. I guess we have to persevere with him as Usman is 38 and will be 39 come the Ashes. Konstas has the Sri Lanka series and the WTF Test final against South Africa to settle down. He needs to calm the farm a little bit.

 

[sr36]

I always find it amusing those who use the LOL'd emoji without any comment, is this because they have no opinion on something? I repeat, Konstas needs a good talking too, he can't just keep opening up going and the tonk from the outset. I'm sure he's not an idiot, 113 runs at 28 in 2 Tests isn't all that flattering when you think about it. He has some learning to do. I guess we have to persevere with him as Usman is 38 and will be 39 come the Ashes. Konstas has the Sri Lanka series and the WTF Test final against South Africa to settle down. He needs to calm the farm a little bit.

Accounts of his shield batting are much more convential. It was a tactic for Bumrah and the spicy pitches. He wasn't going to score playing conventially against him. Those ramps were the right call. As safe as any shot and also got Bumrah to shift away from his unplayable line and length to target the stumps with full balls that were playable. The last two dismissals were pretty shit shots I thought - first innings trying to go too straight rather than with the swing through cover - and it wasn't the pitch for the second innings shot - shouldn't have been going across the line like that - should have been trying to ping it through the off side.

I think Konstas will get left out in Sri Lanka. Didn't look great against Jadeja in test 1. Head to open and Handsomb or McSweeney (if he can play spin) to come into the middle order.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Why though?

In the instance of him mouthing off at Bumrah yes.

If him being an annoying pest is going to put a batter off the game, then what’s the issue?

The issue is he has played two tests and is still a kid and he has no respect for the game.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Can you show us one instance where McGrath or Warner shoulder charged an opposition player?

On a separate note, I’m surprised you didn’t start a thread naming this as the worst test series you’ve ever seen

Warne grabbed Marlin Samuals and abused him, McGrath used to stand in the middle of the pitch and abuse Sri Lankans like Romesh Kaluwitharana and others when they hit him for 6.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Sledged was the wrong term, but he was being chirped at continually to try to get under his skin and it wasn't working so Virat took it up a notch by making a bee line for him and bumping into him to try to put him off his game.

In that test, it was remarkable. A couple of Indian stars were done over mentally by a debutant. Virat was chirping continually at Konstas. Virat should have gotten rubbed out for a game because he couldn't hack that a kid was batting audaciously and wasn't responded to his pressure. And then when Konstas was in the field he annoyed Jaiswal with his chirping so much that it resulted in Jaiswal losing the plot and playing a couple of shocking shots in an attempt to ping the ball into Konstas at silly point.

You seem to think senior players should be allowed to play mind games with youngsters and newbies should just defer without playing any mind games of their own.

You need to earn your stripes before you start acting like a clown imo.

 

[JimmyBC]

<Insert Sulieman Benn incident.xvid>

 

[sr36]

You need to earn your stripes before you start acting like a clown imo.

A bit of good old fashioned English Boarding School seniority based hazing is the go, you think? Newbies should just cop it?

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I’m going to regret asking you this, but what is the difference between Konstas v Bumrah and Jaiswal v Starc?

Kontas had no right to say anything to Bumrah at all and was out of line, Jaiswal and Starc was pure competiveness of two elite cricketers competing.

 

[Gough]

You need to earn your stripes before you start acting like a clown imo.

If you're good enough to be there in the first place then play on and if you dish it out expect it back, the only problem I really had was the Kohli physical content because that definitely isn't cricket. If Konstas wants to put a target on his back then let him, he's the one who'll have to good enough to wear it.