AFL Player 7: Indefatigable Zach Merrett (c) - 250th game on hold as he has surgery on broken hand, hoping to be back for Blues game

[Beerfish]

Contract Status: Unrestricted Free Agent 2027
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[boncer34]

The challenge will be to downgrade to low impact I would think

100%. The example the AFL provides demonstrating low impact could be overlayed on Zerretts tackle with little discernible difference.

 

[Lore]

Just send all the high contact ones to the tribunal and forget the MRO/MRP

At least then you’ll have full reasoning for where the line is from the people actually making the call.

 

[Blind Turn]

It needs to be considered, did Merrett have an alternative once Sparrow elected not to dispose of the footy? If Merrett had his arms pinned then bringing him to the ground is excessive seeing as Sparrow would have no chance of releasing the ball. The arms weren’t pinned, therefore Merrett was obliged to continue with the tackle which had a momentum trajectory by this point.

 

[Lore]

and the whistle didn’t go until they were already off balance and falling.

 

[sameolds33]

You really need to read my posts rather than replying to what you imagine I'm saying.

I never once said ignore that the MRO is a chook lotto or that you can't be outraged at the absurd inconsistencies.

You should be outraged it's inconsistent as hell.

What I said was people will ignore it in favour of tin foil hat conspiracies. They'll bemoan its the AFL or MRO out to get Essendon, when it's not. It's simply a dumb, poorly implemented system.

My point, all the way back to my post about the Twitter brigade which you said I couldn't post because they have the right to post whatever they want has remained the same. Don't manufacture outrage, don't make up scenarios to be outraged about. There's enough tangible things to be annoyed about (ie the system being cooked) without having to come up with ridiculous theories.

It's an online forum - the number of "likes" a posted opinion gets doesn't make it any more right or more valid.

Your subjective opinion is no more valid than mine or the posters who you said you were laughing at because they were complaining about bias in the media and the MRO. To give it a football metaphor, you were playing the man and not the ball. You're the one who characterised their opinions as tinfoilery and "ridiculous theories".

I never said that you couldn't post. I said that people were entitled to their opinions, tinfoilery or not. I objected to you belittling posters who complained of bias. I like reading what people have to say, whether I agree or not. The posts that you laughed at weren't "manufacturing outrage." That's your subjective opinion.

My subjective opinion was that they were asking why the MRO is "simply a dumb, poorly implemented system." Is it because of the people involved? is it because the media has an agenda? Is it because the AFL is a big fish in a small pond and we can't ignore the stated views of the media and the MRO - who are almost all all ex-players? I said that was a more interesting issue to discuss than asking for proof on whether there were a dozen or a half a dozen tweets.

 

[boncer34]

It's an online forum - the number of "likes" a posted opinion gets doesn't make it any more right or more valid.

Your subjective opinion is no more valid than mine or the posters who you said you were laughing at because they were complaining about bias in the media and the MRO. To give it a football metaphor, you were playing the man and not the ball. You're the one who characterised their opinions as tinfoilery and "ridiculous theories".

I never said that you couldn't post. I said that people were entitled to their opinions, tinfoilery or not. I objected to you belittling posters who complained of bias. I like reading what people have to say, whether I agree or not. The posts that you laughed at weren't "manufacturing outrage." That's your subjective opinion.

My subjective opinion was that they were asking why the MRO is "simply a dumb, poorly implemented system." Is it because of the people involved? is it because the media has an agenda? Is it because the AFL is a big fish in a small pond and we can't ignore the stated views of the media and the MRO - who are almost all all ex-players? I said that was a more interesting issue to discuss than asking for proof on whether there were a dozen or a half a dozen tweets.

I've never once said my opinion means more or that my opinion is the only right or valid one or the amount of likes matters. Hell I even agreed its their right to post whatever they want when you raised this last night.

why? isn't that the purpose of an online forum if that's what the posters want to do?

Absolutely. And I want to laugh at them.

As you said, I'm allowed to if I want to.

Again. Read and reply to my actual posts rather than what you imagine I'm saying.

 

[sameolds33]

I've never once said my opinion means more or that my opinion is the only right or valid one or the amount of likes matters. Hell I even agreed its their right to post whatever they want when you raised this last night.

Again. Read and reply to my actual posts rather than what you imagine I'm saying.

Again. Read and reply to my actual posts rather than what you imagine I'm saying.

 

[faible]

End of the day, the umpires have gotta be quicker on the whistle. Blowing the whistle before the player gets dumped or taken to ground would prevent a lot of these dangerous tackles.

I think this is the cause of a lot of them; tackler has clearly stopped the player with the ball who isn't going to get the ball out, but there's an overly long delay so the tackler makes an extra motion to bring their opponent to ground. Pay the holding the ball faster and no second motion happens in those occasions.

 

[boncer34]

Again. Read and reply to my actual posts rather than what you imagine I'm saying.

I did, that's the problem.

They can post what they want, I can criticise them and you can criticise me for criticising them.

Simple.

 

[boncer34]

They just showed the replay on Fox and yeah...it looks rough. Wouldn't blame the MRO at all if they gave him a week.

End of the day, the umpires have gotta be quicker on the whistle. Blowing the whistle before the player gets dumped or taken to ground would prevent a lot of these dangerous tackles.

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I missed this. You're 100% right.

The problem is umpires are instructed to "hold the whistle" as long as possible in those scenarios to give the player with the ball "every opportunity."

 

[citizen-erased]

I think this is the cause of a lot of them; tackler has clearly stopped the player with the ball who isn't going to get the ball out, but there's an overly long delay so the tackler makes an extra motion to bring their opponent to ground. Pay the holding the ball faster and no second motion happens in those occasions.

Need to allow the crowd to call ball, then the ump gets their caesar moment. Does he bay to the crowds call for blood or show mercy.

Spectacle above all

 

[sameolds33]

I did, that's the problem.

They can post what they want, I can criticise them and you can criticise me for criticising them.

Simple.

but it's boring, right? Not nearly as interesting as discussing the game!

 

[DallasCrane316]

Just on the whole media reporting thing,

Before we jump to conclusions etc can we realise that the captain of the essendon football club doing a reportable action before Anzac day (biggest home and away game of the year) is going to be a torch for reporters to make comment early.
It's not a conspiracy it's media doing their jobs and putting their name up as first reported by.

Good old essendon fans, go on and on about being a big club, but when it comes with media scrutiny that being a big fish leads to it's all conspiracies and hard done by comments.

Totally agree. Essendon is always going to be click bait for the media to generate views etc on their articles.

I would say though that an injury ravaged Collingwoood, on the cusp of the biggest home and away game of the year, potentially losing one or two players to suspension would also be note worthy. Collingwood isn’t exactly a small club…content regarding them gets viewed widely.

 

[boncer34]

but it's boring, right? Not nearly as interesting as discussing the game!

I dunno. I've enjoyed posting uesless back and forths with you.

 

[sameolds33]

I dunno. I've enjoyed posting uesless back and forths with you.

me too

 

[Lore]

Need to allow the crowd to call ball, then the ump gets their caesar moment. Does he bay to the crowds call for blood or show mercy.

Spectacle above all

 

[Milanista28]

I think Adams will get the 'low' grading, a lot of us will lose our minds, then we'll appeal and the challenge will be successful.

And we can move on to match talk.

 

[Lore]

Totally agree. Essendon is always going to be click bait for the media to generate views etc on their articles.

I would say though that an injury ravaged Collingwoood, on the cusp of the biggest home and away game of the year, potentially losing one or two players to suspension would also be note worthy. Collingwood isn’t exactly a small club…content regarding them gets viewed widely.

On the plus side, Melbourne have a vested interest in the strongest possible Essendon side playing next week. That 4 points might be the difference between playing an away final and a home one.

 

[DonsRule]

100%. The example the AFL provides demonstrating low impact could be overlayed on Zerretts tackle with little discernible difference.

Do you have a link to said demo?


I'd like to see

 

[DallasCrane316]

Do you have a link to said demo?


I'd like to see

 

[citizen-erased]

Exactly what I was thinking when i posted

 

[DonsRule]

Ah I saw that floating around, that was AFL published examples? Not a lot of difference if it is, We will see I guess.

 

[DallasCrane316]

Ah I saw that floating around, that was AFL published examples? Not a lot of difference if it is, We will see I guess.

Yeah, those are the examples provided in the AFL tribunal guide for 2023. Heeney is a low impact example for a dangerous tackle. Dangerfield is an example for a medium impact dangerous tackle.

 

[Beerfish]

I think Adams will get the 'low' grading, a lot of us will lose our minds, then we'll appeal and the challenge will be successful.

And we can move on to match talk.

I think you're right except Zach will get rubbed out.

 

[Milanista28]

I think you're right except Zach will get rubbed out.

If that happens we need to move past it and not play victim, Hobbs can come in and others can step up, we can actually cover one of our gun mids now, haven't been able to do that for a while.

Also at some stage this year we will play a team who had a player suspended for something similar the week prior, I think it will even itself out in the end.