AFL Player # 9: Dylan Shiel - Sticking around for 2025, training in the backline - 18/10

[Beerfish]

Contract Status: Out of contract 2024 2025
My Boy Draft 2024: Pick 35, eth-dog

 

[boncer34]

Except I’m calling out a particular type of criticism. I take no issue with fans saying a player didn’t chase hard enough or could have gone harder at a contest. But the pejorative connotation of “soft” from hypocrites that would never be brave enough to set foot on the field is a bit much for me.

It's a footy field not a battlefield.

Don't think running onto it takes much bravery.

 

[Bombers1234]

360 vision of the parker mocking was left to run a few additional seconds.

Shiel sees it and laughs it off. Which seems about right given parker is acting like a dick.

Also for all the criticism about not going parker at the next contest, he blocks him and parish gets a ball to caldwell.

Narrative seems more about the club than shiel. Which is where it belongs.

It's a symptom of modern day media and societal culture in general. The everyday punter loves to jump on the negative bandwagon and belittle a club/player when they're down, without a balanced point of view- it's classic group think mentality. The media loves to pander to the public with their negative news articles for clickbait purposes.

If Essendon were winning matches, Shiel and other out of form players would be given much more leeway. I'm not saying there aren't serious issues with the club, but if the average supporter or media nuffie thinks they have any idea of what the problems are by reading up news articles and watching the matches every weekend, they're kidding themselves.

The need for a strong board and president are extremely crucial in times like these. Get to the source of the issues by using independent internal resources and not by reacting to outside noise. Hope the club sticks together in times like these - storm will pass if they buckle down.

 

[faible]

That first sentence sums up today's generation to a tee

Ok boomer.

Tell us all about your successes as a professional athlete.

 

[cobra land]

Ok boomer.

Tell us all about your successes as a professional athlete.

Still playing and coaching, I see this attitude every week.
Now tell me yours..

 

[faible]

Still playing and coaching, I see this attitude every week.
Now tell me yours..

As a professional athlete?

Do go on.

 

[faible]

...yeah, and that screenshot is the spot he's in where in the video he starts telling Redman to go back, just from the other side. Note Shiel's arm. So if Shiel's positioning is fine and where he should be.....why would he give that up to shut down Papley? It seems the right thing to do is identify if anyone is in the wrong spot and tell them to move on. Let's say for example's sake...Mason Redman. Like I said above, shit like this is stupid. Get your head kicked in like this, you can find whatever bad guys you want.



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Shiel's positioning was fine.

Then he gave up the corridor.

We're bad at controlling the corridor, because players (e.g. Shiel this time) get drawn across to the ball in play instead of setting up where appropriate to control the field. If it was a lesser player than Papley maybe he'd have gotten away with it. If he worked harder to cover the ground (we know he's an exceptional athlete) then maybe he'd have gotten away with it. If another player had recognised this and come across to cover for him then maybe he'd have gotten away with it.

None of this occurred, so he didn't get away with it.

 

[Snake Charmer]

It's a footy field not a battlefield.

Don't think running onto it takes much bravery.

Depends on the level of competition. I’d be shit scared to step onto an AFL footy field. I’m pretty comfortable with div 3 Sydney footy tho

 

[cobra land]

As a professional athlete?

Do go on.

So I can't have an opinion if I haven't played professionally ?

 

[boncer34]

As a professional athlete?

Do go on.

If being a professional athlete is the requisite for passing comment, this forum just lost a shit load of members.

 

[boncer34]

Depends on the level of competition. I’d be shit scared to step onto an AFL footy field. I’m pretty comfortable with div 3 Sydney footy tho

Well I guess I do still live under the delusion I could kick a couple goals a game coming outta the square.

 

[faible]

So I can't have an opinion if I haven't played professionally ?

When your opinion is 'this generation is soft' then it's a pretty poor opinion IMO.

People like their think 'their' generation is tough as nails, despite footballers in their generation smashing beers and barely running compared to modern players.

 

[Snake Charmer]

Well I guess I do still live under the delusion I could kick a couple goals a game coming outta the square.

I’ve always wondered if I could get a single touch in a full AFL game. I have my
Doubts lol

 

[boncer34]

When your opinion is 'this generation is soft' then it's a pretty poor opinion IMO.

People like their think 'their' generation is tough as nails, despite footballers in their generation smashing beers and barely running compared to modern players.

What's your professional sporting career been like?

 

[boncer34]

I’ve always wondered if I could get a single touch in a full AFL game. I have my
Doubts lol

You could hover out the back of a pack. It'd get to you eventually.

 

[doug85]

You’re opening yourself up to a lot of assumptions here. Firstly, it’s a game of football which I would imagine many supporters have gone and played. And yes, there are a few professions I can think of that are braver than footy player.

It honestly just sounds like you don’t like the criticism being aimed at one of your players by fellow supporters.

Nah, I hope he leaves. Best thing for him and the club. The soft comments leave a sour taste in my mouth, but we’ve covered that so I’ll leave it there.

 

[cobra land]

When your opinion is 'this generation is soft' then it's a pretty poor opinion IMO.

People like their think 'their' generation is tough as nails, despite footballers in their generation smashing beers and barely running compared to modern players.

I didn't mention soft, my reply was to someone who said he could understand why Shiel has given up.
Might want to read it again before you get on your high horse, my opinion has as much weight as yours...zero

 

[faible]

I didn't mention soft, my reply was to someone who said he could understand why Shiel has given up.
Might want to read it again before you get on your high horse, my opinion has as much weight as yours...zero

Your reply was all about how 'this generation' gives up when it becomes too hard, as though somehow other generations didn't.

It's a silly trope, given past generations played in a semi-professional era where they could smash beers and train a couple of times a week.

It's lazy criticism. In my opinion, of course.

 

[citizen-erased]

It's a symptom of modern day media and societal culture in general. The everyday punter loves to jump on the negative bandwagon and belittle a club/player when they're down, without a balanced point of view- it's classic group think mentality. The media loves to pander to the public with their negative news articles for clickbait purposes.

If Essendon were winning matches, Shiel and other out of form players would be given much more leeway. I'm not saying there aren't serious issues with the club, but if the average supporter or media nuffie thinks they have any idea of what the problems are by reading up news articles and watching the matches every weekend, they're kidding themselves.

The need for a strong board and president are extremely crucial in times like these. Get to the source of the issues by using independent internal resources and not by reacting to outside noise. Hope the club sticks together in times like these - storm will pass if they buckle down.

Heppell touched on it.
Something about decision making when trying to play on instinct. And to me, that sounds like the issue
Rutten and the coaches have a blueprint, but it's not instinctive in the players (yet).

Makes me think when it clicks, it will work and deliver.

as much as I hate it, the club needs to preach patience. And not rise to media barbs.

 

[Some Idiot]

If some random did what Parker did on the street, you'd laugh at how pathetic of a person they are, which is basically what Shiel did. On the field though, it would feel like a challenge imo. White line fever and all that.

 

[cobra land]

Your reply was all about how 'this generation' gives up when it becomes too hard, as though somehow other generations didn't.

It's a silly trope, given past generations played in a semi-professional era where they could smash beers and train a couple of times a week.

It's lazy criticism. In my opinion, of course.

Not lazy at all, I see it on a weekly basis and it's something that irks me to see players that give up, you are letting everyone down when you do that ? It's a pet hate and one that I want to teach my kids not to do. To me it reflects of a poor attitude, my opinion of course.

 

[faible]

Not lazy at all, I see it on a weekly basis and it's something that irks me to see players that give up, you are letting everyone down when you do that ? It's a pet hate and one that I want to teach my kids not to do. To me it reflects of a poor attitude, my opinion of course.

Yes, no players of a past generation have ever given up.

 

[cobra land]

Yes, no players of a past generation have ever given up.

I give up

 

[citizen-erased]

If some random did what Parker did on the street, you'd laugh at how pathetic of a person they are, which is basically what Shiel did. On the field though, it would feel like a challenge imo. White line fever and all that.

what is missed is the next stoppage, Shiel blocks Parker for Parish, ball gets out to Caldwell, we go forward.

 

[thepokey]

It works both ways with "this generation" thing. Melbourne are "this generation" and things got tough after they got smashed in a prelim and looked set to fall away again. They buckled down and rose back up again and are a scary tough side. Cherry picking examples about generations is kinda lazy

 

[84859300]

If some random did what Parker did on the street, you'd laugh at how pathetic of a person they are, which is basically what Shiel did. On the field though, it would feel like a challenge imo. White line fever and all that.

Personally - I though Shiel has his back to Parker, so generally didn't see it.

There were possibly several other players that would have seen it, but didn't do anything to continue on with it.

Other than the Parker vision - it was pretty much a non-event.