A 100 goal season & Joe Daniher: is he overwhelmingly the most capable player of achieving it again?

Is Daniher overwhelmingly the only player capable of kicking 100 goals in a season?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 16.3%
  • No

    Votes: 134 83.8%

  • Total voters
    160

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In the modern era the 100 goal a season milestone is lamented as a relic of the past, thanks to modern day structures and full ground press tactics. Some wonder whether we will ever see another 100 goal season again, whereas some believe it's cyclical, and that at some golden point in the future we'll again see the return of the full-forward centurion.

But maybe the milestone might not be achieved by a full forward. And Joe Daniher might just be the man of the moment.

Obviously the first reason why this thesis is going to be derided is his kicking. And that is a very valid criticism and it may well be true. If Daniher doesn't improve his set shot kicking for goal he will never come close to the century. Fair call. Acknowledged. Yes I heard you, you're right. You don't need to go on about it. Well, ok then, maybe you do.

See, the thing is, everyone can see the guy has an absolutely beautiful kicking mechanic, when he's on the run. Seeing him pin the ears back outside 50 he rarely misses. Hell, the guy can sell candy and dob them from outside 50 off just a step or two. So it's a matter of whether he can translate that obvious ability to his set shots that are going to be his biggest challenge.

That will be closely followed by the quality of the delivery he gets. Up until recently it hasn't been great. Hopefully it can be good enough moving forwards not to be an issue, at least for large blocks of time. But this isn't going to be as big an issue as you might think, and as it might be for most other players.

Here's why Daniher is overwhelmingly the most likely player to kick 100 goals again:

He has the capacity to generate enough shots.

It's that simple.

He's already doing it now. If he could convert a good number of misses and OOBs to goals he is already a good chunk of the way there.

Because Daniher is an extraordinarily mobile player who can play a combination of ruck and CHF, he is not held back by structures in the same way that other players are. He isn't dependent as much as others on how the ball is coming to him. He can generate the shots.

There are some other remarkably talented forwards in the comp, and let's hope there are some others who can do it too if he can. But Joe Daniher is almost the complete package.

Can he do it? If so why? If not, why not? (Yes I can still hear you, kicking - got it!) Who else can do it, and why? Should I be keeping it in my pants or is it a valid topic for discussion? I can't wait to find out
 
He is a great talent and I think it is possible he could kick a 100 in a season, but I also think it's possible Kennedy could or Franklyn could, or Lynch, etc etc.
He is still young and devloping his craft but he looks a special talent.
But we have seen these guys before so lets hope he produces long term, a lot will depend on how good a side the Bombers can build to see what happens.
 

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I rate him extremely highly but I don't think his kicking will ever be reliable enough.
at this point it's hard to see how it could be. It might just be a mental hurdle he can't overcome. But he can kick the damn ball, that's what's so frustrating about it
 
He is a great talent and I think it is possible he could kick a 100 in a season, but I also think it's possible Kennedy could or Franklyn could, or Lynch, etc etc.
He is still young and devloping his craft but he looks a special talent.
But we have seen these guys before so lets hope he produces long term, a lot will depend on how good a side the Bombers can build to see what happens.
they definitely could. And Franklin and Jack Riewoldt has shown they can. I'm definitely not saying Daniher is the only guy who can possibly ever achieve this in the modern day, far from it.

But I do think that Riewoldt and Franklin are telling examples, because he definitely can, but he's not. And why aren't they? Well for Riewoldt it's because his coach won't let him in many ways. Because it's better for Richmond not to have a stay at home full forward. For Franklin, maybe he just doesn't play that way now - but he's as similar to the proposition that Daniher provides as anyone could be (or perhaps it's more appropriate for that to be the other way round...)

That's where Daniher is maybe different. He can generate the shots whilst still being a contributor from a structural perspective
 

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Yes, keep it in your pants, but it is also a valid topic nonetheless. Certainly he's got all the tools bar set shots in his arsenal right now. He's got Fantasia and some 2nd in command KF's who help him out too (Hooker) in terms of defensive structures.

However, I do have to strongly disagree with the term 'overwhelmingly'. He may be the most capable player, who knows, but he's certainly not 'overwhelmingly' more likely than Kennedy or Lynch. Kennedy may be 29 but he's kicked 80+ 2 years in a row, including 55 behinds in 2015. He is averaging 3.4 goals and 2.4 behinds this year, without hitting anywhere near his top form. He's not that far off from the 4.5 goals a game needed to take out the 100.

Lynch less likely but he's still just as likely as Daniher in my eyes.
 
Yeah nah, game would have to change pretty drastically for the best forwards to be able to get to 100, let alone Joe.

At the moment, Josh Kennedy has been playing the mobile, leading key forward role to perfection. His timing and leading patterns are sublime. The prototypical delivery-dependent forward.

On the other hand, Franklin is probably the best at "getting his own". Playing up the wings and half forward, really only going in the 50 to follow the ball, rarely to sit deep and try to lead out ala Kennedy. Regularly hits them from 55+ on the run, loves being in free play more than a set shot scenario.

Yet I don't think either of these guys will challenge 100 in the next few seasons and I've seen nothing so far to suggest anyone should be confident that Daniher will reach their levels.

Even in his own age range I think Lynch and Cameron have shown themselves more capable of pushing up to really high goal tallies.

Let the guy put 50 in danger before talking about 100.
 
Yes, keep it in your pants, but it is also a valid topic nonetheless. Certainly he's got all the tools bar set shots in his arsenal right now. He's got Fantasia and some 2nd in command KF's who help him out too (Hooker) in terms of defensive structures.

However, I do have to strongly disagree with the term 'overwhelmingly'. He may be the most capable player, who knows, but he's certainly not 'overwhelmingly' more likely than Kennedy or Lynch. Kennedy may be 29 but he's kicked 80+ 2 years in a row, including 55 behinds in 2015. He is averaging 3.4 goals and 2.4 behinds this year, without hitting anywhere near his top form. He's not that far off from the 4.5 goals a game needed to take out the 100.

Lynch less likely but he's still just as likely as Daniher in my eyes.
overwhelmingly is a very cheeky word to use, given he's up against players who have actually, you know, kicked 100 in a season before. Yep. But I kind of want to explore why they aren't and why I think Joe can
 
Yeah nah, game would have to change pretty drastically for the best forwards to be able to get to 100, let alone Joe.

At the moment, Josh Kennedy has been playing the mobile, leading key forward role to perfection. His timing and leading patterns are sublime. The prototypical delivery-dependent forward.

On the other hand, Franklin is probably the best at "getting his own". Playing up the wings and half forward, really only going in the 50 to follow the ball, rarely to sit deep and try to lead out ala Kennedy. Regularly hits them from 55+ on the run, loves being in free play more than a set shot scenario.

Yet I don't think either of these guys will challenge 100 in the next few seasons and I've seen nothing so far to suggest anyone should be confident that Daniher will reach their levels.

Even in his own age range I think Lynch and Cameron have shown themselves more capable of pushing up to really high goal tallies.

Let the guy put 50 in danger before talking about 100.
all very fair points, good post.

It's the modern game style that got me thinking about this - and your Franklin comments concur with a lot of what I've said. It's food for thought
 

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