Delisted Adrian Dodoro - On leave Aug ‘24. Parted ways Nov ‘24. Lodged a dispute with FairWork. Paid out. Gone. #putoutyourjackets

[frodos gardener]

Everything ive heard of him from others is hes well regarded and respected in the industry

Who? Not doubting you, but interested.

 

[Keystone agony]

Who? Not doubting you, but interested.

From the club, from other recruiting managers on trade radio SOS, Rendell ect From show me the money with agents

 

[katana]

Maybe the issue with Francis starts and ends with his mental health issues. How do you predict that?

it's fairly easy to predict these things if you actually try.

t. honours in psychology.

 

[Albertross]

it's fairly easy to predict these things if you actually try.

t. honours in psychology.

Not in a position to argue with you. I would have thought that a psychology test would be a process that players go through though. Maybe not back then, IDK.

However, Aaron seemed possibly closer to Hayden than his other Brothers. He plays in an U/18 GF one day and his Brother dies the next.

Aaron found solace through football, its important to have an outlet. Maybe the strength that he found to deal with his Brothers death was that he was closer to home and around a group of players he gelled with and a club he had support from.

Not saying that EFC did not support him, but, unfamiliar surroundings and a club that were not there during this difficult time, may have compounded his issues, even if we tried with our best intentions at heart.

I don't follow too many drafts, but I did follow this one. I feel for Aaron and so wish he had of made it in the Sash.

Mental health issues become magnified over time as well. Did we give him the right support? IDK. It's hard enough to get out of bed when suffering from mental health issues, let alone to keep in peak physical condition when your job is to be a professional athlete.

Only my 2 cents, I don't know the answers that would have changed the end result for Aaron.

 

[Here_we_come]

it's fairly easy to predict these things if you actually try.

t. honours in psychology.

Are you able to please elaborate?

 

[boncer34]

Shoot Bambi

 

[ant555]

it's fairly easy to predict these things if you actually try.

t. honours in psychology.

You can predict how people with mental health issues will behave in the future ? What are you doing hanging around here ?

 

[Duckworth]

The one that says it all for me is one where he picked a good player but IMO still got it wrong. McGrath is a good player but why do you pick another 180cm player to turn into a midfielder a year after you draft Parish and when your other top midfielder , Merrett , is 180cm and was taken in 2013. That is 180cm midfielders taken in 2013 - 2015 - 2016. List balance says you take Taranto if you are looking forward .

I think they interviewed McGrath, McLuggage and Setterfield in the final week. McGrath got the nod due to speed and improving the midfield defensive running. I could be wrong, but I think they might have gone Setterfield before getting Tarranto.

 

[BrunoV]

So I watched that Show Me The Money doco on Stan.

This moron couldn't figure out where Dunstan would fit in our midfield.

According to RDO, Dunstan didn't get past a discussion with Dodoro while Dunstan spoke to Dew and Melbourne's brains trust were making presentations.

It puts the supposed chase for Hewett into context doesn't it?

He just doesn't get it.

 

[ghostdog]

So I watched that Show Me The Money doco on Stan.

This moron couldn't figure out where Dunstan would fit in out midfield.

According to RDO, Dunstan didn't get past a discussion with Dodoro while Dunstan spoke to Dew and Melbourne's brains trust were making presentations.

It puts the supposed chase for Hewett into context doesn't it?

He just doesn't get it.

That is amazing. How on earth does a nuffie like me see the logic, but he doesn't. He needs to GTFO.

 

[DERO]

it's fairly easy to predict these things if you actually try.

t. honours in psychology.

Carn man.

 

[JayJ20]

So I watched that Show Me The Money doco on Stan.

This moron couldn't figure out where Dunstan would fit in out midfield.

According to RDO, Dunstan didn't get past a discussion with Dodoro while Dunstan spoke to Dew and Melbourne's brains trust were making presentations.

It puts the supposed chase for Hewett into context doesn't it?

He just doesn't get it.

Ridiculous. I just knew it.

 

[DERO]

I think they interviewed McGrath, McLuggage and Setterfield in the final week. McGrath got the nod due to speed and improving the midfield defensive running. I could be wrong, but I think they might have gone Setterfield before getting Tarranto.

Hopefully we are adequately engaged in the discussion with GWS to get Taranto now.

 

[Nicholas61]

There are a lot of things people can bring up. He has had some good points some meh decisions and some plain weird stuff. At the end of the day we have not won a final forever . The list has been out of balance for a long time and he continues to not work well with people who have built premiership sides and challenge his system.
The one that says it all for me is one where he picked a good player but IMO still got it wrong. McGrath is a good player but why do you pick another 180cm player to turn into a midfielder a year after you draft Parish and when your other top midfielder , Merrett , is 180cm and was taken in 2013. That is 180cm midfielders taken in 2013 - 2015 - 2016. List balance says you take Taranto if you are looking forward .

He has had some bad luck with the saga destroying his first build at a stage where we looked like had built a side that could have gone somewhere if we kept everyone and where able to add a couple more. He has also found some real gems in the latter stages and we have had some injury bad luck.

The problem for me is he has never quite got everything connected and the biggest issue is how we have not really valued leadership all that highly. We have shown little interest in drafting hard edge leaders like Parker or Graham. We have drafted a bunch of nice leaders like Heppell and McGrath.

There is a reason why we have been mid range. Like everything else that goes on our recruiting has been mid range as well . Not totally horrible but not in the top 5 either.

We talk about lack of balance in the midfield - how about defence? I am concerned we generally prioritise getting in playmakers over stoppers. I understand our midfield doesn't put pressure on opposing mids as much so the ball will come into our back 50 with accuracy and defending that is harder.

Also I saw Reid was beaten by opponents being quicker a couple of times in your VFL reports I assume this will only be amplified at the top level. At testing time from memory he was average or below average speed wise.

 

[DERO]

You can predict how people with mental health issues will behave in the future ? What are you doing hanging around here ?

The young bloke with the blond mullet at the bulldogs goes alright…

Gotta love the retrospective drafting experts.

It is probably time to flick Dodoro but not because he picked Francis!

 

[Nicholas61]

Some may have a form of mental illness but it isn't bone crushing depression which will make it impossible to thrive at the top level nowadays. Ken Hunter when he got struck down by depression in his latter playing years tried pushing through and training his way out of it - this had nearly catastrophic consequences. The body simply doesn't have the reserves to train and recover, and there will be an almighty crash.

 

[Lore]

Some may have a form of mental illness but it isn't bone crushing depression which will make it impossible to thrive at the top level nowadays. Ken Hunter when he got struck down by depression in his latter playing years tried pushing through and training his way out of it - this had nearly catastrophic consequences. The body simply doesn't have the reserves to train and recover, and there will be an almighty crash.

Depression is one thing, very draining and it can become an internal fight to even motivate yourself to do basic things. Just getting out of bed is a monumental win in those circumstances.

Anxiety is another one, and it’s a tricky one because it can read as a conscientious, high performing person with exacting standards if you don’t know them well, but the pressure internally is driven by a lot of other stuff that can cause them to become overwhelmed, have panic attacks (burst of unnecessary adrenaline) and inhibits rather than driving performance.

Was reading an article about Tom Boyd this morning, he’s apparently written a book about his experiences but the interview is interesting as well;

'I'd do it 100 times over': Boyd's raw account of life in the spotlight

Tom Boyd battled inner turmoil from the moment he was drafted and it never went away, retiring at 23 years of age

www.afl.com.au

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Dodoro wanted Oliver and Parish. Dees moving up ahead of us was a killer. McGrath over McCluggage probably a mistake. Other than that a couple of other that most clubs have he’s been pretty good of late. Perkins and Hobbs look like being very good, Wright was a great pick up as was Martin, Durham and maybe D’Ambrosio

 

[ant555]

We talk about lack of balance in the midfield - how about defence? I am concerned we generally prioritise getting in playmakers over stoppers. I understand our midfield doesn't put pressure on opposing mids as much so the ball will come into our back 50 with accuracy and defending that is harder.

Also I saw Reid was beaten by opponents being quicker a couple of times in your VFL reports I assume this will only be amplified at the top level. At testing time from memory he was average or below average speed wise.

Not all forwards are fast so Reid will get a match up however I would not argue with your view on defenders either. Right now we have to hang our hat on the under sized lot that are currently playing and the unproven bunch of Reid , Cox , Brand , Erye and McBride. The fact we have 5 tall defenders all with less than 3 years experience is a bit all or nothing even if say 3 of them end up being good enough in the next couple of years.

 

[Yoda_]

So I watched that Show Me The Money doco on Stan.

This moron couldn't figure out where Dunstan would fit in out midfield.

According to RDO, Dunstan didn't get past a discussion with Dodoro while Dunstan spoke to Dew and Melbourne's brains trust were making presentations.

It puts the supposed chase for Hewett into context doesn't it?

He just doesn't get it.

Are you a big advocate of simply best available, especially early rounds of the draft?

 

[calyam]

Individual draft picks are irrelevant to assessing Dodoro's performance. List management is vastly more complex and there is, to date, no evidence that Dodoro is capable of doing that well. He accumulates talent without consideration of fit or synergies or team needs.

Plenty of well regarded coaches and assistants have had a crack at the lists that Dodoro creates. Every single one of them has failed.

And that's why we know that he should be sacked. No football club with any self respect would have kept him around for even half as long.

 

[BrunoV]

Are you a big advocate of simply best available, especially early rounds of the draft?

No

I want to get into this in detail but I don't really have time at the moment.

In my view the 2015 draft is the playing out of the "best available" falacy.

If you look at how the discussion surrounds the 'best available' it means the best performed at under-age level.

It's one of a number of criteria but I wouldn't have it as the most significant.

The skill is in working out: 1) how what the player does will translate to AFL level; and 2) how that fits in with the team and list you have now and in the future.

So with Parish the question is how important is accumulation really and how will his inside and outside games look among men? What players will you need to compliment him with?

In relation to Francis, he's immature (there are numerous examples of him displaying this in his early VFL career), he's not big enough for a key post and he's a poor endurance athlete.

What then, is the best available?

 

[Ants]

Individual draft picks are irrelevant to assessing Dodoro's performance. List management is vastly more complex and there is, to date, no evidence that Dodoro is capable of doing that well. He accumulates talent without consideration of fit or synergies or team needs.

Plenty of well regarded coaches and assistants have had a crack at the lists that Dodoro creates. Every single one of them has failed.

And that's why we know that he should be sacked. No football club with any self respect would have kept him around for even half as long.

Except what type of players we should get would be something driven by the coaches. Additionally, if all of these coaches think the team was fatally flawed, why haven't they been saying this? Why wasn't Hird, Thompson, Worsfold, Rutten going to the DOF/CEO/Board and saying our recruiting is flawed? Why aren't the assistant coaches who've come from other teams, often successful ones, screaming this out?

So maybe, all of the experts, many of whom have come from other clubs, actually disagree with you. Which is why he is still here.

 

[yodellinhank]

The young bloke with the blond mullet at the bulldogs goes alright…

Gotta love the retrospective drafting experts.

It is probably time to flick Dodoro but not because he picked Francis!

Because he picked Myers.

 

[DERO]

Because he picked Myers.

Rhys Palmer