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"why do you get a point by missing?"
"why 6 points and not 5 or 10 points?"
"how many can be in the centre square during the bounce of the ball?"
AFL can't compete with the game of globalisation
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"why 6 points and not 5 or 10 points?"
"how many can be in the centre square during the bounce of the ball?"
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Grid Iron will never take over the world, same with basketball, the American product is too good, participation is increasing though but it will never take over here, they're acquired tastes as far as I'm concerned, though basketball has the bigger reach due to more countries playing it
Look at basketball here, it's a basketcase professionally, it's a junior and amateur sport and that's it.
Football is mainly the sport of Europe and South America with their strong football background, it is growing in Asia though through the strength of the money from sheikhs and stuff, while Africa has barely no money behind it. Australia are just behind the U.S imo in the sport, if the MLS goes ahead of the NBA and NFL then that'll be a huge player.
Aussie Rules will always be number 1 here, the AFL needs to find a happy-medium with the game off field and on field then just stick to it, it's too business/$$$ oriented currently. As long as they keep pumping money into grassroots and keep participation rates high through cheap playing costs then the game will be healthy here. Football/Soccer is way too expensive still in the grassroots, most junior season's cost anywhere between $750-$2000 per participant as far as what I've heard, Aussie Rules ain't that much.
Look at basketball here, it's a basketcase professionally, it's a junior and amateur sport and that's it.
Football is mainly the sport of Europe and South America with their strong football background, it is growing in Asia though through the strength of the money from sheikhs and stuff, while Africa has barely no money behind it. Australia are just behind the U.S imo in the sport, if the MLS goes ahead of the NBA and NFL then that'll be a huge player.
Aussie Rules will always be number 1 here, the AFL needs to find a happy-medium with the game off field and on field then just stick to it, it's too business/$$$ oriented currently. As long as they keep pumping money into grassroots and keep participation rates high through cheap playing costs then the game will be healthy here. Football/Soccer is way too expensive still in the grassroots, most junior season's cost anywhere between $750-$2000 per participant as far as what I've heard, Aussie Rules ain't that much.
it already is at participation level, international level the Socceroos are the number one supported national team in this country, it's just the A-League has failed so far to attract greater support.
Although, the Melbourne and Sydney derby's are growing at rapid rates. Who would of thought ten years ago, that you could go watch two Melbourne soccer sides play in front of 50,000 fans.
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I don't know much about the Melbourne market. I assume there must be quite a lot of soccer and rugby teams drawing 80k+ on a regular basis there?
FIFA 15, probably the first actual game he's seen.
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If it's based on playing numbers, I'd say the AFL should be more worried about golf. Lots more participants than soccer.
But I think he's forecasting on nothing other than clickbait. It's sure as shit not based on any objective data. People have been advocating soccer taking over for decades, yet very little has changed on the Australian sporting landscape.
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I just walked off the park tonight and can honestly say, there is no better game to play from 4 years to 42 years and hopefully 40 more.
but it is a crap game to watch. I spent three minutes watching the ManCity v Madrid game and switched back over to the footy.
I would prefer to watch carlton over a soccer match.......and don't get me started on that crap thing called the world cup
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Agree. Soccer is on the rise amongst kids because every second kid plays Fifa 15 meaning they therefore begin to enjoy and support the sport. The AFL should look to do the same.
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The AFL will always have a strong market here because of its tribal roots. It's near impossible to phase out a sport that's been #1 for 100+ years.
With that said, the code has all but peaked and growth is now extremely limited. It has a 0% chance of expanding internationally, and it's now desperately trying to market itself in New South Wales and Queensland to solidify its #1 status, which it seems to be struggling with.
As for Soccer, the A-League might be staggering now, but that's because it's still very new, and still trying to grow its roots. Nevermind the A-League though, these kids aren't developing interest in soccer because of Australian Soccer; it's because of the Fifa Games and the glamour associated with the code. The idea of playing for one of the best teams in the world like Barcelona or Paris Saint-Germain alongside amazingly skilled, highly paid players is a lot more appealing than playing with the Hawks in the AFL.
With that said, the code has all but peaked and growth is now extremely limited. It has a 0% chance of expanding internationally, and it's now desperately trying to market itself in New South Wales and Queensland to solidify its #1 status, which it seems to be struggling with.
As for Soccer, the A-League might be staggering now, but that's because it's still very new, and still trying to grow its roots. Nevermind the A-League though, these kids aren't developing interest in soccer because of Australian Soccer; it's because of the Fifa Games and the glamour associated with the code. The idea of playing for one of the best teams in the world like Barcelona or Paris Saint-Germain alongside amazingly skilled, highly paid players is a lot more appealing than playing with the Hawks in the AFL.
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soccer being so good for computer games, as opposed to afl which is a bit of a weird sport is another disadvantage afl has
it will be hard to make a good afl game
hold R1 to flood the backline with 18 people
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Think this is where Rohan is coming from. That kids in Australia can easily watch on tv a team in Europe playing live, or on their consoles playing FIFA they can establish a connection with a team at an early age.
Also AFL is losing some tribalness about it. All teams are playing in the same set of venues. Other than where they train, and in some cases not even that, most teams aren't located where they used to.
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Sometimes a small pond can be a good thing to play in. Do we want a game where we have to pay millions of dollars in transfer fees to secure the best players? Where every club is in debt and only a few teams have a chance to win the premiership?
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as the aleague continues to grow there is tribalism there for kids
95% of kids that stand near melbourne victory FC 'north end', for example, as amazed by the atmosphere and instant fans for life
as opposed to afl where they are now talking about kicking people out, for booing...
buddys on 10 million is he not?
95% of kids that stand near melbourne victory FC 'north end', for example, as amazed by the atmosphere and instant fans for life
as opposed to afl where they are now talking about kicking people out, for booing...
buddys on 10 million is he not?
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Still not sure how many fans they will get til it becomes a league of its own. Right now the A League is a place for up and comers to show their talent to European teams. Not sure how many kids wanna go and see second rate players or a washed up Harry Kewell. What is unique about our game is we showcase the best. not sure too many A League teams are gonna have budgets in the hundreds of millions to be able to pay the transfer fees tosecure the best in the world.
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you dont wanna become the worlds best because thats brings too much money, tourism, band-wagoners
tribalism, exists somewhat because of other factors (imho)
tribalism, exists somewhat because of other factors (imho)
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Why would someone go watch arguably one of of the greatest players in Ronaldo represent Real Madrid in a game at the MCG against MANCHESTER CITY? They could go see Carlton lose by 138 points in a game that really I'm surprised had an attendance at all.
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Soccer is boring as batshit. All this talk about congestion and stoppages ruining the game. Australian Rules will never be as boring as soccer.
Also - never understood the "world's game" argument. As though we should fall in line because that's what everyone else is doing. Last time I checked, I'm Australian.
Also - never understood the "world's game" argument. As though we should fall in line because that's what everyone else is doing. Last time I checked, I'm Australian.
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Actually a darn good question
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Soccer is played in the summer in Australia isn't it? So it's really only competing with Cricket on a domestic level.
However, participation rates in soccer amongst kids is increasing faster than Auskick, I am hearing. I do think our game needs some changes to take it into the 21st Century, but the danger is not getting them right and further compounding the problems we see. Popularity of sports will always ebb and flow, so I don't see anything to worry about at the moment.
My suggestion to decrease congestion in AFL is simple:
Decrease the size of teams significantly, but have four/five man bench with unlimited interchanges, or,
Leave team size unchanged. Scrap the sub, have a three man interchange, and restrict interchanges significantly.
However, participation rates in soccer amongst kids is increasing faster than Auskick, I am hearing. I do think our game needs some changes to take it into the 21st Century, but the danger is not getting them right and further compounding the problems we see. Popularity of sports will always ebb and flow, so I don't see anything to worry about at the moment.
My suggestion to decrease congestion in AFL is simple:
Decrease the size of teams significantly, but have four/five man bench with unlimited interchanges, or,
Leave team size unchanged. Scrap the sub, have a three man interchange, and restrict interchanges significantly.
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