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[Doggies_13]

Throughout the 2017 season and early signs show its continued into the 2018 season, I think the team has clearly lost its identity, during the 2015-2016 seasons we as the supports and further to that all afl supports looked at the dogs and knew what to expect. Strong zone defence, relentless attack on the ball and ball carrier, no easy ball and you were in for a fight if you wanted to beat them. Add to that we had massive time in forward half differentials and even though we played a slightly unbalanced team at times the pressure applied allowed that.

Now through 2017-today I don’t know what we stand for as a team and have zero idea of what the game plan is.

Then there is selection and player positioning. We all know beveridge thinks differently and sometimes it has turned to gold just look at 2015-2016 but there were some head scratches during those years too. Ayce Cordys long spell in the afl team just to name one.

Last season and now heading into this season their has been some head scratching selection and positioning changes. To me it almost seems that beveridge has gone even further with his odd selection and positioning of players to get this team out of the bad form they were in last season.

Is beveridge being too cute and trying to many different things? Is it time to simply get back to basics?

I personally would love to see us just pick a best 22 that picks the first 18 based on who the best player in each position is. Make the game plan simple again as well.

The talk now that schache and boyd aren’t ready is a bit mind boggling, given boyd was pretty decent playing solo ruck last year and the last half of 2016 and schache was ready year one at Brisbane. It makes me question why we threw schache a life line if we won’t play him.

Versatility is a massive mantra on beveridge but that versatility needs to be plan b and c not plan a.

Is beveridge going to change and get back to basics? Or is he going to be stubborn and undo a lot of the work he did in 2015-2016?

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

versatility is all a bunch of BS. how many players in the AFL play in versatile positions for a long period of time?? i can only think a few off the top of my mind and we probably have equal to the whole league...

the coach has lost the plot imo
remember the AFLX, that was handled poorly. we witnessed first hand how bad our players are with their disposal.

the coach cant do much if most of the teams foot skills are simply sub afl standard.

 

[footyfan000001]

Back to basics against the eagles. Let the boys off the leash. We all saw great glimpses in the JLT.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

Back to basics against the eagles. Let the boys off the leash. We all saw great glimpses in the JLT.

we also saw our deference is easy to penetrate. both games the opposition had very high efficiency i50

 

[Doggies_13]

I just want to see the resembelence of a game plan and a team selected based on position. Now I understand in today’s football you need a large number of players who can go through the midfield but you can still select a balanced team on whilst doing that.

With the game plan I don’t care what it is aslong as it’s clear atm the only logical thing the game plan could be is be versatile. I would love to see just go back to basics and apply pressure and if your not prepared to chase, tackle, be accountable then your out. Until there are clear non negotiables like that you can’t implement much more. If you look at all the other teams in the competition their game plans are pretty clear apart from Collingwood and beveridge is 100x the coach buckley is but he’s just trying to tinker too much and needs to draw it right back and start fresh.

We actually have the players to zone defend well when played in the right positions wood, crozier, naughton can all intercept and read the play well but without that pressure and workrate it’s pojntless, now I know he just did his knee and looked good this year but last year there was no way Libba should of been back in the team so quickly after being dropped his performances were well below par in the vfl and it didn’t set a good example.

 

[f4zz]

Bevo has lost the plot.
Defence under siege yet easton wood plays forward.
Trengrove was a def/ruckman at port, now plays forward
Tom boyd and schache - two positional forwards yet nowhere to be seen.
Midfield lacking class - bont plays mainly forward


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[BallaratBulldog]

Must have watched 1998 preliminary vs Adelaide with Wallace. I remember match ups like Libba on McLeod that were silly.

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

Feel a bit for Bevo. Since 2016 we have lost Boyd, Hamling, Picken, Morris, Cloke, Crameri, Adams, Murphy and now Libba- which is pretty much all of our experienced core.

Now with almost the youngest team in the comp we are trying to keep up.

Trying to play a complicated game plan doesn't help- though don't really want to what Bolton did at Carlton last year and go ultra defensive.

Guys like Stringer showing a lack of maturity and Boyds issues also have not helped- who would be a coach?

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

the senior players are not pulling their weight. i question Woods position atm, seriously it looks like he shouldnt play.
this is the captain of our team, and he has agreed to play forward , even with the injuries to experienced defenders. surely he has to own up and stand up to the coach and sort this out.

 

[_Mike_]

Is beveridge going to change and get back to basics? Or is he going to be stubborn and undo a lot of the work he did in 2015-2016?

This is more than a "beveridge" discussion - look wider to the assistant coaches, the recent departures and the match selection committee to get a wider view. Beveridge's match day tactics are but 1 element of the puzzle IMO

 

[Doggies_13]

This is more than a "beveridge" discussion - look wider to the assistant coaches, the recent departures and the match selection committee to get a wider view. Beveridge's match day tactics are but 1 element of the puzzle IMO

No doubt but at the end of the day the senior coach is seen as the front man and is the one with the power to begin the change. I think our assistants moving around were a mistake and I also and this is purely an assumption as none of us know but I assume none of them are expressing different views and questioning decisions. It’s hard to question essentially your boss but their are ways to question things in a respectful manner and without directly going against your boss which is what bevo essentially is to them

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

Someone mentioned this before

But what happened to our HB drive? It started attacks and it was a real weapon in 2015/16. I know bob was instrumental in that.

We have a slow midfield who doesn't provide the drive at all

 

[Doggies_13]

Someone mentioned this before

But what happened to our HB drive? It started attacks and it was a real weapon in 2015/16. I know bob was instrumental in that.

We have a slow midfield who doesn't provide the drive at all

I think that drive cane through the ability to intercept from the zone defence we employed plus we had the likes of boyd Murphy jj and suckling providing that drive, boyd and Murphy are gone and jj and suckling have been used in different positions plus the players don’t work hard enough or pressure to allow a zone defence to work

 

[Doggiesfan14]

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[Dog Rising]

Someone mentioned this before

But what happened to our HB drive? It started attacks and it was a real weapon in 2015/16. I know bob was instrumental in that.

We have a slow midfield who doesn't provide the drive at all

And then we take JJ out who is the best at it!

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

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id hate to see that happen to my club, disgraceful

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

bevo is starting to remind me of this guy. hope for the sake of it he can turn it around.

 

[Golden_6]

When Bevo first started, he always mentioned that he wanted to allow the players to play to their strengths, and build the game plan around the cattle that we had. He is now literally doing the opposite of this, it absolutely makes zero sense.

 

[Doggiesfan14]

bevo is starting to remind me of this guy. hope for the sake of it he can turn it around.

The joys of following the dogs and united

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

The joys of following the dogs and united

terrible, both teams play as boring as each other.

 

[ivan rassmussen]

Feel a bit for Bevo. Since 2016 we have lost Boyd, Hamling, Picken, Morris, Cloke, Crameri, Adams, Murphy and now Libba- which is pretty much all of our experienced core.

Guys like Stringer showing a lack of maturity and Boyds issues also have not helped- who would be a coach?

Problem is, Bevo didn’t ‘lose’ Crameri, and probably Cloke - he willingly let one go and indicated to the other senior time would not be guaranteed. Plus he would have had a fair idea Moyd and Bob were close to the end when first appointed, so I would have expected forward planning to maintain experience by trading in players, e.g Trengove. The age profile of the list is part of list management, but the senior coach surely has input into that?

 

[goodcop badcop]

This goes back to the point I was trying to make in the off season. I thought we recruited too many defenders and we didn't replace the forwards that left. So now Beveridge is trying to manufacture player's into something that's not there. See the result.

I'm also dumbfounded that we never brought in at least one other assistant coach in the off season. The weird thing is, we still haven't replaced Montgomery's coaching role. I thought Maple was supposed to be the guy, but he's still the GM after Graham Lowe left at the start of last season.

 

[compact72]

Bevo have you all bluffed. Tanking for a few games, fly under the radar and the boom. Top 8 here we come baby

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

surely it cant be bevo coaching?? it has to be macca

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

Bevo has lost the plot.
Defence under siege yet easton wood plays forward.
Trengrove was a def/ruckman at port, now plays forward
Tom boyd and schache - two positional forwards yet nowhere to be seen.
Midfield lacking class - bont plays mainly forward


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its all apart of being versatile