All things re *Paul*'s afltables.com

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We should all be familiar with the phenomenal website afltables.com maintained by *Paul*
- Change Log - https://afltables.com/afl/changes.html
- Site Notes - https://afltables.com/afl/notes.html
- Player Stat Notes - https://afltables.com/afl/stats/notes.html

AFL fans owe Paul a debt of gratitude, same goes for those that do or did maintain fantastic AFL resources.

I've been wondering whether we should have a thread dedicated to the site. Observations, suggestions, etc.

I'll start ... looks like we have a new page coming soon - https://afltables.com/afl/teams/allteams/finals.html

 

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*Paul*, would you like a banner at the top of the Statistics forum? We used to have one for FootyStats, Kevin Taylor's site (RIP )

 

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omission: https://afltables.com/afl/seas/2017.html#fin

WC v PA Elimination Final: West Coast won by 2 pts [Match stats]

should say: West Coast won by 2 pts [Match stats] (After extra time)

That is, remaining consistent with reporting of the other 2 extra time finals (1995, 2007).

 

[*Paul*]

Thanks, banner away if you like. This would be a good place for anyone to suggest "settled research" changes too. New tables possibly as well, although I've been pretty lethargic for a while, so no guarantees.

 

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new page is live - https://afltables.com/afl/teams/allteams/finals.html

 

[worbod]

On a nitpicking note, I believe it is right to state that all the sections which begin with "Least", should, in accordance with correct grammatical structure, actually say "Fewest". If it is too much trouble to change all the Leasts into Fewest this will not diminish the quality of the website, just thought I'd put it out there for consideration. I most certainly have AFL Tables saved in my Favorites bar, where it is clicked with regularity, regardless of whether it is footy season or otherwise.

 

[red+black]

Least and Fewest is definitely one that I would get wrong on occasion.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070117070203AAcdFyC

"If you're talking about a number of objects, then you use fewest. If you're talking about an amount or quantity, as with flour, water, sugar, sand, etc., then least is the correct term. Fewest, the superlative of few is for objects that are countable. Least, the superlative of less, is used for things that are uncountable/measurable."

 

[big_e]

Thanks, banner away if you like. This would be a good place for anyone to suggest "settled research" changes too. New tables possibly as well, although I've been pretty lethargic for a while, so no guarantees.

Great site, have referred to it for a while. Thanks for your efforts.

 

[worbod]

Great site, have referred to it for a while. Thanks for your efforts.

Paul's website is more statistically comprehensive than the AFL's own website.

 

[red+black]

Paul's website is more statistically comprehensive than the AFL's own website.

of course it is, the AFL is hopeless at publishing their stats

 

[tandino]

Thanks, banner away if you like. This would be a good place for anyone to suggest "settled research" changes too. New tables possibly as well, although I've been pretty lethargic for a while, so no guarantees.

If you're looking for suggestions for new tables etc, I think a section devoted to just grand finals and associated records would be helpful. It's a fantastic site, I've been using it for 10+ years. Always have been impressed at it's comprehensiveness and the speed in which it is updated.

 

[Gibbke]

of course it is, the AFL is hopeless at publishing their stats

And, ironically, won't bother trying to improve BECAUSE AFL Tables exists...

Same as Mero's site...I've heard they've even pilfered jumper graphics in the past without permission…!

 

[red+black]

been looking at Brownlow stats, and put together a couple of lists

21+ Brownlow Votes Against an Opposition Side / 70+ Brownlow Votes at a Venue
Polling 2 or 3 Votes in 25% of Games

And I was looking at the stats for Mark Dwyer who earned 1, 1, 1, 3 and 1 votes in his first 5 games.

So I was thinking of these lists:

Most Votes on Debut
Consecutive Games Polling Votes from Debut
Most (Eligible) Games Before First Vote

 

[RedmanWasHere]

If we're asking for suggestions, what about, in the top 10 section for each player, what about a top 10 and bottom 10 margins played in?

 

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Have always wanted a birthdays page on afltables.com

https://www.zerohanger.com/afl/players/birthdays/

 

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https://afltables.com/afl/teams/allteams/gamer.html

*Paul*, this page and individual club pages have these stats:

[Won From 1st Qrt Deficit] [Won From Half-Time Deficit] [Won From 3rd Qrt Deficit] [Lost With More Scoring Shots] [Biggest Losses With More Scoring Shots]

How about we get the converse as well:

[Lost From 1st Qrt Lead] [Lost From Half-Time Lead] [Lost From 3rd Qrt Lead] [Won With Less Scoring Shots] [Biggest Wins With Less Scoring Shots]

And then order them appropriately:

[Won From 1st Qrt Deficit] [Won From Half-Time Deficit] [Won From 3rd Qrt Deficit] [Won With Less Scoring Shots] [Biggest Wins With Less Scoring Shots]
[Lost From 1st Qrt Lead] [Lost From Half-Time Lead] [Lost From 3rd Qrt Lead] [Lost With More Scoring Shots] [Biggest Losses With More Scoring Shots]

 

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*Paul*: New stat request: [Most games between finals]

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/alltime/misc_players.html#11

Nathan Jones probably the clubhouse leader: https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/N/Nathan_Jones.html

2018 saw Nathan Jones of Melbourne play his first finals match since 2006. Jones played 254 games in the 12 seasons between finals appearances.

Similarly, 2018 also saw Gary Ablett Jnr return to finals football after 8 years (and 129 games) with Gold Coast and Geelong.

How do these finals droughts compare all time? Jones must be close to the record for longest finals drought.

 

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Can you help get us started with the stat above Ron The Bear ?

 

[the croucher]

I'd like to see the match by match details for 1930 - 1977 include indication of who was listed as 19th (and later) 20th men,
and those players who were replaced during the match.

A few years ago we had the "substitute" system in place - Paul has indicated match-by-match what happened there with very effective but simple "up & down arrow" symbols as in this Nth Melb v C'wood match
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2013/041220130331.html

 

[Ron The Bear]

Can you help get us started with the stat above Ron The Bear ?

Most games between finals

Gms	Player	Fnl#1	Fnl#2	All Gms	Club(s)	Career
254	Jones, Nathan	8	262	264	Me	2006-2018
208	Roos, Paul	104	312	356	Fi,Sy	1982-1998
172	Browning, Mark	57	229	251	Sy	1975-1987
165	Merrett, Roger	131	296	313	Es,Br	1978-1996
164	Mohr, Bill	19	183	195	St	1929-1941
160	Buckley, Nathan	43	203	280	Br,Co	1993-2007
160	Everitt, Peter	115	275	291	St,Ha,Sy	1993-2008
158	Bayes, Mark	61	219	246	Sy	1985-1998
155	Fevola, Brendan	32	187	204	Ca,Br	1999-2010
152	Redden, Jack	10	162	188	Br,WC	2009-2018
150	Eason, Bill	22	172	220	Ge	1902-1915
148	McIvor, Scott	36	184	200	Fi,Br	1985-1997
148	Rocca, Saverio	50	198	257	Co,NM	1992-2006
146	Houlihan, Ryan	36	182	201	Ca	2000-2011
144	Cook, Troy	38	182	193	Sy,Fr	1997-2007
143	Nankervis, Ian J.	40	183	325	Ge	1967-1983
142	Williams, Paul	70	212	306	Co,Sy	1991-2006
141	Patfull, Joel	78	219	220	Br,WS	2006-2016

Most games after last final

Gms	Player	Last Fnl	Gms	Club(s)	Career
235	Murray, Kevin	Fi	98	333	1955-1974
216	Clegg, Ron	Sy	15	231	1945-1960
210	Sarau, Jeff	St	16	226	1973-1983
188	Dugdale, John	NM	60	248	1955-1970
181	Wright, Roy	Ri	14	195	1946-1959
177	Weightman, Dale	Ri	97	274	1978-1993
163*	Rich, Daniel	Br	24	187	2009-2019
163	Rowe, Des	Ri	12	175	1946-1957
162	Davis, Frank	Me	6	168	1964-1973
160	Bowden, Joel	Ri	105	265	1996-2009
158*	Harbrow, Jarrod	WB,GC	70	228	2007-2019
156	Round, Barry	WB,Sy	172	328	1969-1985
155	Fowler, Laurie	Ri,Me	34	189	1971-1981
151	Dwyer, Laurie	NM	50	201	1956-1970

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Thanks, banner away if you like. This would be a good place for anyone to suggest "settled research" changes too. New tables possibly as well, although I've been pretty lethargic for a while, so no guarantees.

Great work Paul.

Love the Tables.

I actually thought the AFL maintained the AFL tables, so just shows sometimes things are done far better outside.

But it might be an idea at that, in the distant future upon retiring, the AFL keeps the tables going for as long as the game is played.

Or is that anathema?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Least and Fewest is definitely one that I would get wrong on occasion.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070117070203AAcdFyC

"If you're talking about a number of objects, then you use fewest. If you're talking about an amount or quantity, as with flour, water, sugar, sand, etc., then least is the correct term. Fewest, the superlative of few is for objects that are countable. Least, the superlative of less, is used for things that are uncountable/measurable."

That’s a bingo.
Correct.

Also the NUMBER of people that say “amount” of people....
It has to always be number of people.

Hear it all the time.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Ryan Houlihan appears on both lists, as does Fevola?


Think perhaps Carlton’s late 2000’s finals are being missed in that second list?

 

[Tarkyn_24]

That’s a bingo.
Correct.

Also the NUMBER of people that say “amount” of people....
It has to always be number of people.

Hear it all the time.

I’ve got to say your grammar nitpicking has made this one of my fewest favourite posts of yours.

 

[SunGirl89]

*Paul*, pages such as these have finals shaded grey and grand finals dark grey:

All Games - By Season - https://afltables.com/afl/teams/collingwood/allgames.html
All Games - By Opponent - https://afltables.com/afl/teams/collingwood/allgames_tm.html
All Games - By Venue - https://afltables.com/afl/teams/collingwood/allgames_vn.html

Could you please do the same for Venue pages such as:

Adelaide Oval - https://afltables.com/afl/venues/adelaide_oval_gm.html
MCG - https://afltables.com/afl/venues/mcg_gm.html
Perth Stadium - https://afltables.com/afl/venues/perth_gm.html
SCG - https://afltables.com/afl/venues/scg_gm.html