Win Prizes Ask an Atheist II

[Gethelred]

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Win Prizes - Ask an Atheist - Shoe's on the other foot now!

Alright, we're going to have a change of tack. As I'm sure you can see, the thread title has been changed to Ask an Atheist. People who have a question to ask of the atheists who populate this thread - more than the christians do - should feel free to ask questions of them. If you've still got...

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Standard board rules apply.

 

[Vdubs]

You’re such a dag! Happy new year.

I’m not a scientist, but I do know that in the areas of astrophysics and microbiology alone, there are any number of unexplained phenomena for which we don’t currently have explanations.

Now, devotees of scientific enquiry will say we are working on it, there’s every chance we will have an answer one day; there’s every chance we may never have an answer - but that doesn’t mean science is flawed, or wrong (and it must be said, comparing the track records, since the enlightenment, of science vs religion - science has come up with proof after proof about the way the world works, and at an accelerating rate, while religion has come up with: precisely nothing)

Meanwhile, by comparison, religion (with zero supporting evidence) says “it must be god then”, or “god works in mysterious ways, doesn’t it”, or similar evasive copout stuff.

If you believe that one day science can definitively prove the Creation by God is impossible, that would convince civilisation. But having a science background, and a hunger for what is right and beneficial for humanity, God provides that aspect for me. Goodness comes from what?
This famous saying by CS Lewis sums it up for me:
"I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen, not only because I see it but because by it I see everything else.”

 

[Roylion]

If you believe that one day science can definitively prove the Creation by God is impossible,

There is no one skerrick of evidence in support of the concept of 'Creation by God'. Why should we believe such a concept?

But having a science background, and a hunger for what is right and beneficial for humanity, God provides that aspect for me.

What is 'right and beneficial for humanity' is in itself subjective.

Goodness comes from what?

No evidence 'goodness' comes from God. 'Goodness' is a subjective concept.

 

[evolved2]

If you believe that one day science can definitively prove the Creation by God is impossible, that would convince civilisation. But having a science background, and a hunger for what is right and beneficial for humanity, God provides that aspect for me. Goodness comes from what?
This famous saying by CS Lewis sums it up for me:
"I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen, not only because I see it but because by it I see everything else.”

Creationism/intelligent design was kicked out of science classrooms in the states. It's pseudoscience.

When will Christians definitively prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't real? He boiled for our sins, mate!

 

[Vdubs]

Creationism/intelligent design was kicked out of science classrooms in the states. It's pseudoscience.

When will Christians definitively prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't real? He boiled for our sins, mate!

The onus is not on Christians to disprove anything, it's on you atheists with your faith to prove that there absolutely is no God.

 

[evolved2]

The onus is not on Christians to disprove anything, it's on you atheists with your faith to p[rove that there absolutely is no God.

How can I disprove god to your satisfaction (assuming it isn't real)? What's your criteria?

 

[peetoo]

I’m not even convinced the universe had a beginning let alone creation

 

[Vdubs]

How can I disprove god to your satisfaction (assuming it isn't real)? What's your criteria?

Nice stalling attempt.
Go ahead and do your best.
For starters, try and completely debunk the known 10 arguments FOR the existence of God.
Completely.
Each one of the 10.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

If you believe that one day science can definitively prove the Creation by God is impossible, that would convince civilisation. But having a science background, and a hunger for what is right and beneficial for humanity, God provides that aspect for me. Goodness comes from what?
This famous saying by CS Lewis sums it up for me:
"I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen, not only because I see it but because by it I see everything else.”

The famous saying, when you break it down, is self-serving words and nothing more.

Let's just stick with what is, not what we hope is.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The onus is not on Christians to disprove anything, it's on you atheists with your faith to prove that there absolutely is no God.

LOL.

Humans exist. We know that for a fact.

The universe exists. We know that for a fact.

Introduce anything else into the equation (like "god"), and the onus is on those doing the introducing to do the proving.

 

[carltonchelsea]

Nice stalling attempt.
Go ahead and do your best.
For starters, try and completely debunk the known 10 Proofs FOR the existence of God.
Completely.
Each one of the 10.

Can you post the 10 proofs?

 

[liz]

Can you post the 10 proofs?

The word “proof”, in this context, is being used in a very creative fashion.

In any case, there is already reams of literature debunking any so called “proofs”. That’s why most believers and most non-believers accept we don’t really know with absolute certainty. The differences come down to what probabilities we assign to there being a supernatural being (very close to zero in my case) and how we respond accordingly.

 

[Total Power]

If you believe that one day science can definitively prove the Creation by God is impossible, that would convince civilisation. But having a science background, and a hunger for what is right and beneficial for humanity, God provides that aspect for me. Goodness comes from what?
This famous saying by CS Lewis sums it up for me:
"I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen, not only because I see it but because by it I see everything else.”

Where does my goodness come from? the fact that you disregard half the Biblical verses and judge the world through your own morality shows you're a good person by default.

Where the goodness of my dog, who loves my unconditionally come from? dolphins who are monogamous, where does their love/goodness come from? Loyalty/love etc , you don't need Bible for that but for millions of horrible things out there, you can find an excuse in the book

 

[Total Power]

Nice stalling attempt.
Go ahead and do your best.
For starters, try and completely debunk the known 10 Proofs FOR the existence of God.
Completely.
Each one of the 10.

You can disprove the Bible, i have done it here multiple times.

So even if god exists, you don't get any cookie.

 

[western royboy]

Nice stalling attempt.
Go ahead and do your best.
For starters, try and completely debunk the known 10 Proofs FOR the existence of God.
Completely.
Each one of the 10.

There are 10 arguments…calling them proofs is a best disingenuous - there is no proof and one from memory is the Bible which had already been debunked by most historians.

 

[Vdubs]

There are 10 arguments…calling them proofs is a best disingenuous - there is no proof and one from memory is the Bible which had already been debunked by most historians.

Sorry, I will amend that to 10 arguments, but the point remains.

 

[Vdubs]

LOL.

Humans exist. We know that for a fact.

The universe exists. We know that for a fact.

Introduce anything else into the equation (like "god"), and the onus is on those doing the introducing to do the proving.

And yet again, where does it all stem from?

 

[Total Power]

And yet again, where does it all stem from?

Evolution points to non-creation. The fact that 96% of all species been dead before humans walked on earth, so much death and misery in nature (and the Bible said death got into earth through original sin), its brutal out there.

Also you must apply the same reason you apply to the earth on god. The theory of BB states we all came from singularity, where matter always existed, concentrated at a certain point. Hence there's been no creation, matter just changes form, this is consistent with the laws of thermodynamics.

However the Bible being a true book of god, (or jesus being a god) is actually zero.

 

[Vdubs]

Evolution points to non-creation. The fact that 96% of all species been dead before humans came to earth, so much death and misery in nature (and the Bible said death got into earth through original sin), its brutal out there.

Also you must apply the same reason you apply to the earth on god. The theory of BB states we all came from singularity, where matter always existed, concentrated at a certain point. Hence there's been no creation, matter just changes form, this is consistent with the laws of thermodynamics.

However the Bible being a true book of god, (or jesus being a god) is actually zero.

That might be enough for you- does not do it for me.

 

[Total Power]

That might be enough for you- does not do it for me.

Sure your belief is your own, i just go by the evidence. I made enough posts about why Bible is bogus, i am not here to convince you. The evidence is overwhelming, however i also realise believers who wish to believe will continue to believe.

I have no issues with that.

 

[Vdubs]

There are 10 arguments…calling them proofs is a best disingenuous - there is no proof and one from memory is the Bible which had already been debunked by most historians.

1.

https://files.alislam.cloud/pdf/Ten-Proofs-for-The-Existence-of-God.pdf

that's the Islamic description, and an interesting read, carltonchelsea

2.

10 Proofs for Existence of God

I have met many people who think that a belief in God is like believing in Santa Claus. You must simply "just believe." While faith is the key aspect to knowing God, it is not blind. There are many great reasons for a belief in a transcendent, prime-mover, and Uncaused

www.brandoncannon.com

 

[Vdubs]

Let’s see them then?

See above

 

[Total Power]

1.

https://files.alislam.cloud/pdf/Ten-Proofs-for-The-Existence-of-God.pdf

that's the Islamic description, and an interesting read, carltonchelsea

2.

10 Proofs for Existence of God

I have met many people who think that a belief in God is like believing in Santa Claus. You must simply "just believe." While faith is the key aspect to knowing God, it is not blind. There are many great reasons for a belief in a transcendent, prime-mover, and Uncaused

www.brandoncannon.com

You surely can't be serious? design argument? theological argument? moral argument??? ( i just gave you the example above why morality doesn't come from god or a holy book).

Jesus! indeed.

 

[carltonchelsea]

1.

https://files.alislam.cloud/pdf/Ten-Proofs-for-The-Existence-of-God.pdf

that's the Islamic description, and an interesting read, carltonchelsea

2.

10 Proofs for Existence of God

I have met many people who think that a belief in God is like believing in Santa Claus. You must simply "just believe." While faith is the key aspect to knowing God, it is not blind. There are many great reasons for a belief in a transcendent, prime-mover, and Uncaused

www.brandoncannon.com

These are embarrassing and all presuppositional.
Not one of those premises lead to the conclusion “there is a god”.

 

[Total Power]

These are embarrassing and all presuppositional.
Not one of those premises lead to the conclusion “there is a god”.

Without the existence of a God people wouldn't have any reason to live or be good, therefore there has to be a God. Most people believe in a God, therefore there is a God.


I mean seriously???? i should start by raping and killing straight away!

Embarrassing effort, VD, your worst till now.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

1.

https://files.alislam.cloud/pdf/Ten-Proofs-for-The-Existence-of-God.pdf

that's the Islamic description, and an interesting read, carltonchelsea

2.

10 Proofs for Existence of God

I have met many people who think that a belief in God is like believing in Santa Claus. You must simply "just believe." While faith is the key aspect to knowing God, it is not blind. There are many great reasons for a belief in a transcendent, prime-mover, and Uncaused

www.brandoncannon.com

At least Santa has presence.