Win Prizes Ask an Atheist II

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Welcome to the Ask an Atheist thread II.

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Win Prizes - Ask an Atheist - Shoe's on the other foot now!

Alright, we're going to have a change of tack. As I'm sure you can see, the thread title has been changed to Ask an Atheist. People who have a question to ask of the atheists who populate this thread - more than the christians do - should feel free to ask questions of them. If you've still got...

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[western royboy]

It's not my issue or argument to defend or attack the CC.
I know your pov and reasons and respect that.
My own dealings were not great, but after some years, all I can say is, I found God.

Good for you

Don’t defend them by saying the do good / they don’t truly an evil organisation from top to bottom

 

[Total Power]

Is that so?
I need comprehension lessons from you do I?

Nope, as expected you have no arguments to begin with.

Nothing new.

 

[Total Power]

It's not my issue or argument to defend or attack the CC.
I know your pov and reasons and respect that.
My own dealings were not great, but after some years, all I can say is, I found God.

His Pov? how can someone defend the cc, considering their history? the royal commission report and millions of lives ruined due to them? one bad apple you say? please! it's all out there for you to read if you wish to.

Evil is an understatement.

 

[western royboy]

His Pov? how can someone defend the cc, considering their history? the royal commission report and millions of lives ruined due to them? one bad apple you say? please! it's all out there for you to read if you wish to.

Evil is an understatement.

Repeated over and over all over the world, systemic, indefensible evil.

 

[carltonchelsea]

Many people here have their agendas. Thanks for sharing yours.
Apology- only to those who have been wronged, by the CC, by anyone, or by any organisation

Your agenda, if you are a “true Christian” is to hasten the end of our civilisation in eschatological terms, you can’t hide from this fact, you yearn and dream of the end times, so you can be with your little jesus friend.
This disgusts me, and I will fight against this abhorrent evil.
I’m not afraid to say that you and your kind are evil.

 

[Vdubs]

Your agenda, if you are a “true Christian” is to hasten the end of our civilisation in eschatological terms, you can’t hide from this fact, you yearn and dream of the end times, so you can be with your little jesus friend.
This disgusts me, and I will fight against this abhorrent evil.
I’m not afraid to say that you and your kind are evil.

You are entitled to your opinion

 

[GrayRanga]

You are entitled to your opinion

You edited this to remove a highly judgemental word with indicated that that your mindest is not one that aspires to a Christ like attitude to the people on the thread and hope to convert them to your way of thinking

Jon 7:1 ring a bell perhaps “Judge not, that ye be not judged”?

 

[Vdubs]

You edited this to remove a highly judgemental word with indicated that that your mindest is not one that aspires to a Christ like attitude to the people on the thread and hope to convert them to your way of thinking

Jon 7:1 ring a bell perhaps “Judge not, that ye be not judged”?

-incorrect- no aspirations to convert any keyboard warriors, none at all, and yes, I am so far from Christ-like, but at least I try. Any brownie points for the consideration of editing? And really, the word omitted is hardly anti- Christian.
-amazing that Christians still come here;
-any comments on the post it was in response to?
-best point you made is WWJD?--yes, I have considered that a lot, and the best things to do, as a Christian, are to
1. share personal experience- done that a lot, not appreciated by posters on this thread
2. agree Christians are far from perfect- that is obvious
3. offered to have more meaningful discussion offline if they want

 

[carltonchelsea]

You are entitled to your opinion

Not an opinion, it is a fact written in your beloved book mate!
I doubt you’ve read the book in its entirety.
You claim to be a “born again again”, given that that is an evangelical absolute, you strike me as a Christian that only ever listens to their “charismatic” pastor and never bothers to read beyond his chosen verses.
Your Christian beliefs are very questionable at best, embarrassing at their core!

 

[Total Power]

You are entitled to your opinion

Absolutely not an opinion, the authors of NT believed we lived in End times, i have a long post written about this, which you never replied to.

Here's some:

The end of all things is near…” (1 Peter 4:7)


“Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.” (1 John 2:18)


“…the coming of the Lord is near. …the Judge is standing right at the door.” (James 5:8, 9)


John recorded that his visions also foretold a return of Jesus near to his day. He was repeatedly told throughout his visions that Jesus was about to return soon. It is unreasonable to think that “near”, “soon” and “coming quickly” could mean thousands of years in the future especially in light of Jesus’ own prophecy that some of his listeners and the high priest would still be alive to see him return.

1 John 2:18 "Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour."

Another failed prophecy.

 

[Vdubs]

Listening to Did Jesus Exist? Bart Ehrman Q&A - Unbelievable? | Everand

www.everand.com

At least Bart Ehrman believes Jesus existed AND interestingly, Total Power, he quotes your mate Paul, of all sources, as his evidence, in his new book. He certainly stirred up many atheists with his findings and comments.

And yes, I get that he does not believe Jesus rose from the dead, and that he was not divine.

 

[evolved2]

Listening to Did Jesus Exist? Bart Ehrman Q&A - Unbelievable? | Everand

www.everand.com

At least Bart Ehrman believes Jesus existed AND interestingly, Total Power, he quotes your mate Paul, of all sources, as his evidence, in his new book. He certainly stirred up many atheists with his findings and comments.

It makes no difference whether Jesus existed or not until you can show the magic is real.

 

[Roylion]

Listening to Did Jesus Exist? Bart Ehrman Q&A - Unbelievable? | Everand

www.everand.com

At least Bart Ehrman believes Jesus existed AND interestingly, Total Power, he quotes your mate Paul, of all sources, as his evidence, in his new book.

Yes? But so? No one is denying that Paul existed and wrote 1 Corinthians roughly 20 years after the date given for the crucifixion.

He certainly stirred up many atheists with his findings and comments.

Has he? How?

 

[Vdubs]

Yes? But so? No one is denying that Paul existed and wrote 1 Corinthians roughly 20 years after the date given for the crucifixion.



Has he? How?

Self-evident if you listen to the podcast.

 

[Roylion]

Self-evident if you listen to the podcast.

I have. They say they've stirred up atheists. But on what basis? That Jesus existed?

Why would the existence of Jesus worry atheists? The existence of a figure such as Jesus does not prove he was divine or that he was resurrected.

Ehrman actually says.

"I don't think the typical atheist or the typical agnostic disbelieves that Jesus existed. I think most atheists or most agnostics actually think there was a Jesus. They certainly don't think that he was the son of god or that he was raised from the dead. And so I don't think it would be fair to characterise this as the atheist view...."

 

[Vdubs]

Islam vs Christianity: Do We Worship the Same God? with Dr. Andy Bannister & Abdullah Al Andalusi

In a world filled with questions about faith, truth, and the future, can Islam and Christianity find common ground, or do their beliefs reveal irreconcilable differences? Dr. Andy Bannister, a Christian apologist and author, and Abdullah Al Andalusi, an Islamic thinker and activist, go head to...

www.premierunbelievable.com

A good debate about a question that often gets raised here.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Islam vs Christianity: Do We Worship the Same God? with Dr. Andy Bannister & Abdullah Al Andalusi

In a world filled with questions about faith, truth, and the future, can Islam and Christianity find common ground, or do their beliefs reveal irreconcilable differences? Dr. Andy Bannister, a Christian apologist and author, and Abdullah Al Andalusi, an Islamic thinker and activist, go head to...

www.premierunbelievable.com

A good debate about a question that often gets raised here.

What are your thoughts on the Quran being less violent than the Bible?

 

[carltonchelsea]

What are your thoughts on the Quran being less violent than the Bible?

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Yep, the Jews invented Totalitarianism, the christo-cultists and mohammedites just plagiarised it!

 

[Vdubs]

What are your thoughts on the Quran being less violent than the Bible?

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Could be true. And?

From Tarantino to Squid Game: why do so many people enjoy violence?

Simon McCarthy-Jones, Associate Professor in Clinical Psychology and Neuropsychology, asks why we are drawn to watch violence, in this piece first published on The Conversation.

www.tcd.ie

 

[Frank Bunn]

What are your thoughts on the Quran being less violent than the Bible?

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Such a superficial analysis doesn't tell us much. It's just counting certain words rather than looking into the underlying meaning of the passages.

For example, the New Testament has descriptions of violent acts but generally doesn't prescribe violence. All four gospels describe Jesus being arrested, flogged and crucified. During Jesus's arrest Peter cut a bloke's ear off but Jesus healed it! The closest Jesus got to committing violence was when he drove out the money changers and merchants from the temple. There are descriptions of persecutions of early Christians. There's all sorts of violence depicted in the Book of Revelation but it's mainly symbolic about the battle between good and evil. This is how he gets to his 2.8%.

The Old Testament is a much older and longer book than the Quran. It primarily covers the history of the Israelites over about 15 centuries with descriptions of violent events that were part of the historical context of the time. The Quran has much less historical context and is mostly about the life of Prophet Muhammad and the early Islamic community in the 7th century. There are passages in both books that could be interpreted as promoting self-defence, or alternatively justifying violence against non-believers.

 

[carltonchelsea]

Such a superficial analysis doesn't tell us much. It's just counting certain words rather than looking into the underlying meaning of the passages.

For example, the New Testament has descriptions of violent acts but generally doesn't prescribe violence. All four gospels describe Jesus being arrested, flogged and crucified. During Jesus's arrest Peter cut a bloke's ear off but Jesus healed it! The closest Jesus got to committing violence was when he drove out the money changers and merchants from the temple. There are descriptions of persecutions of early Christians. There's all sorts of violence depicted in the Book of Revelation but it's mainly symbolic about the battle between good and evil. This is how he gets to his 2.8%.

The Old Testament is a much older and longer book than the Quran. It primarily covers the history of the Israelites over about 15 centuries with descriptions of violent events that were part of the historical context of the time. The Quran has much less historical context and is mostly about the life of Prophet Muhammad and the early Islamic community in the 7th century. There are passages in both books that could be interpreted as promoting self-defence, or alternatively justifying violence against non-believers.

“Interpreted…”
That’s the bingo drink card folks, bottoms up….

 

[Frank Bunn]

Absolutely not an opinion, the authors of NT believed we lived in End times, i have a long post written about this, which you never replied to.

Here's some:

The end of all things is near…” (1 Peter 4:7)


“Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.” (1 John 2:18)


“…the coming of the Lord is near. …the Judge is standing right at the door.” (James 5:8, 9)


John recorded that his visions also foretold a return of Jesus near to his day. He was repeatedly told throughout his visions that Jesus was about to return soon. It is unreasonable to think that “near”, “soon” and “coming quickly” could mean thousands of years in the future especially in light of Jesus’ own prophecy that some of his listeners and the high priest would still be alive to see him return.

1 John 2:18 "Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour."

Another failed prophecy.

Was the end times belief specific to early Christians or did Jews at the time also believe it? The destruction of the Second Temple might have led some to have hopes that a Messiah would come to restore the Temple and redeem them. Link me to your earlier post if you already covered it. Cheers.

I'm not sure that modern Christians have a collective desire to hasten the end of our civilisation. But I've always found it strange that people of all religions who believe in a paradise in the afterlife try so hard not to die. Shouldn't they be celebrating when a doctor gives them 2 months to live?

 

[evolved2]

Was the end times belief specific to early Christians or did Jews at the time also believe it? The destruction of the Second Temple might have led some to have hopes that a Messiah would come to restore the Temple and redeem them. Link me to your earlier post if you already covered it. Cheers.

I'm not sure that modern Christians have a collective desire to hasten the end of our civilisation. But I've always found it strange that people of all religions who believe in a paradise in the afterlife try so hard not to die. Shouldn't they be celebrating when a doctor gives them 2 months to live?

I suspect there's enough scary passages in the NT to make most Christians nervous about where they'll land in the afterlife.

 

[Vdubs]

I suspect there's enough scary passages in the NT to make most Christians nervous about where they'll land in the afterlife.