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[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Yep, if Laird isn't an A Grader then our whole list is B Grade or worse.

Hang on...

 

[Betts are off]

I genuinely don't even know what 'A Grader' means to most people on this site.

By local footy definition an A Grader is a player in the top grade. So it's essentially just clubland Best 22. Simple, clear cut definition. Fairly black and white interpretation.

At AFL level it has no quantifiable boundaries, (especially not best 22). So for me, arguing over the 'grade' of a player when the parameters of each grade are completely undefined is like arguing about how wet the ocean is.

 

[ABAB]

2 time All Australian and 3 time club Best and Fairest is a solid B+ player?

Good lord.

You make it sound like I called him B grader or even worst a "C grader" like a notorious poster here, he is a solid B+ grade player so closer to A grade then B+ grade. Cripps is also horrible by foot but he has power so is consider an A grader, if he was better by foot then he would be elite. Dangerfield and Petracca also aren't the best by foot but they are elite as both are even more powerful goal kicking midfielder.

 

[ABAB]

Yep, if Laird isn't an A Grader then our whole list is B Grade or worse.

Hang on...

Dawson (probably will be elite), Walker and Rankine (end of this season) are all A graders then Laird would be next as a solid B+ grader.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Dawson (probably will be elite), Walker and Rankine (end of this season) are all A graders then Laird would be next as a solid B+ grader.

So this argument has all been over what is the difference between B+ & A- lol.

Bring on the real stuff!

 

[ABAB]

So this argument has all been over what is the difference between B+ & A- lol.

Bring on the real stuff!

Well, no. Some are saying he is A and not A-, had they said A- then I would agree with them.

 

[AFC979810]

You make it sound like I called him B grader or even worst a "C grader" like a notorious poster here, he is a solid B+ grade player so closer to A grade then B+ grade. Cripps is also horrible by foot but he has power so is consider an A grader, if he was better by foot then he would be elite. Dangerfield and Petracca also aren't the best by foot but they are elite as both are even more powerful goal kicking midfielder.

Nope. Quoted you correctly. You said a 2 time All Australian and 3 time B&F winner is a solid B+ player.

Now you are saying he is closer to an A grade than B+ grade player?

 

[arrowman]

I'm starting to have some sympathy for our teachers, who had to grade our work A, A-, B, C etc.

 

[ABAB]

Nope. Quoted you correctly. You said a 2 time All Australian and 3 time B&F winner is a solid B+ player.

Now you are saying he is closer to an A grade than B+ grade player?

I mean that's what a solid B+ grader mean otherwise I would have said B+ grader.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It goes

Elite
A Grade
Solid B+
A-
B+ (standard, non-solid)
B Grade
Etc

 

[Stephen2]

You forgot A+ (Walker), solid A+ (Murphy), A++ (Dawson)

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

You forgot A+ (Walker), solid A+ (Murphy), A++ (Dawson)

Yep

And Elite Defender >>> Elite Midfielder because Joel Hamling is a premiership player but Dustin Martin isn't

 

[Stephen2]

Yep

And Elite Defender >>> Elite Midfielder because Joel Hamling is a premiership player but Dustin Martin isn't

Dusty is only Elite- grade, but if he could play defender he'd be solid elite-

 

[Scorpus]

Was interesting to discover there are 92 current All Australian players. So that's about the top 12% of players

 

[ABAB]

It goes

Elite
A Grade
Solid B+
A-
B+ (standard, non-solid)
B Grade
Etc

Nah, there's a big difference with players in the top echelon whereas B and C not so much.
Elite
A
A-/B+(solid) or B+(solid)/A-
B+

B
C (who an infamous poster without basic football knowledge stated Laird is lol).

 

[Trigger13]

Bottom line. Laird ain’t no B anything grader. Case closed.

 

[spenze]

Gets tagged all the time

 

[1990crow]

Bottom line. Laird ain’t no B anything grader. Case closed.

Desk face.

 

[WetCrow1991]

2 time All Australian and 3 time club Best and Fairest is a solid B+ player?

Good lord

Even putting aside the B&Fs in shit years that don't matter that much he is better than B+.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Please can we stop disrespecting Rory Laird. A-grader. Full stop.

Isn't it only one troll on here saying that.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Was interesting to discover there are 92 current All Australian players. So that's about the top 12% of players

Doesn’t champion data consider players in the top 10% to be elite?

 

[50BC]

Doesn’t champion data consider players in the top 10% to be elite?

Yeah, the AFL uses champion data's definitions. Given they already have a grading system it's confusing if someone invents their own.

A grade/ Elite = top 10% per position
B grade/ Above Ave = 11% to 35% per position
C grade/ Average = 36% to 65% per position
D grade/ Developing = 66% and below per position
U / ungraded = untried ie 0 games

 

[Faaarrk]

Yeah, the AFL uses champion data's definitions. Given they already have a grading system it's confusing if someone invents their own.

A grade/ Elite = top 10% per position
B grade/ Above Ave = 11% to 35% per position
C grade/ Average = 36% to 65% per position
D grade/ Developing = 66% and below per position
U / ungraded = untried ie 0 games

So when people use ‘elite’ to defend their argument it’s based on the best for that season?
I would have thought more accurate brackets would be fixed percentages, ie an elite tackler has x amount for the year, elite disposal efficiency is y amount. They never change.
The current system means being elite could have a disposal efficiency as low as 45% eg.
Just another reason why stats are pointless in discussions.

 

[Jarman3]

Is there a training session today? Need bigman to come and save this thread from itself.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Nope. Quoted you correctly. You said a 2 time All Australian and 3 time B&F winner is a solid B+ player.

Now you are saying he is closer to an A grade than B+ grade player?

His all australian wins were not in the midfield though.

He won best and fairests in teams that finished 14th, 15th and 12th. Is that really something that gives him league wide credentials?