Bluemour Season Blast Off Edition XXXIII

[BigFrizz36]

Ramsay has done what? Carroll, who I like, needs to come through soon. LOB is?? Dunstan scored Brownlow votes this year, that means more to a bottom 8 side than a ‘potential’ in the 2’s. We still need depth as much as anything. Sure, if those 3 were knocking down the door, I’d wilt, but they’re not, and gifting opportunities is romantic but expensive.

Can't see any need for Dunstan at all, with or without brownlow votes. If our main midfielders are Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewitt, Dow, Kennedy, Setterfield, and Curnow I can't see any point bringing in another senior body that would be about number 5 or 6 of that group.

Waste of a list spot and salary cap for mine. Would prefer to have a younger group (e.g. Philp, Carroll, Ramsay) developing who might push higher in midfield rankings and improve our team (without taking much cap space).

He would however make a perfect new whipping boy (a title he has held with distinction on the saints board) should Newnes leave.

Don't get me wrong. I think that he's a reasonable player. I just don't think that he would improve us much, if at all.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Dunstan is far from a perfect player. But he's hungry and desperately wants a new opportunity. Will cost F all and offer more than some on the list.

Don’t necessarily disagree but I think the issue is we have a lot of players who play in a similar manner, that is inside mids like Cripps, Kennedy, Ed, Setters and now Hewett (who we expect will sign with the club this week).
The list is already imbalanced in my view, not just with inside mids, but mids generally, who aside from Walsh haven’t really proven themselves at AFL level (Dow, Fisher, LOB, Cunners, Fog, Gibbons, Stocker, Samo, Carroll, Philp, Ramsay etc) so I think if we did recruit Dunstan we’d have to offload someone like Setters at the very least.
I’d rather see us target some really made KPP depth and a Levi replacement at ruck/forward.

 

[GordonBlue]

So we Welcome Hewett today?

On SM-G988B using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[smashbox gill]

We definitely don’t need Dunstan. We have enough C grade mids who can’t kick.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

he is a solid tackler and has a high work rate. Cant be losing guys like that at this stage.

It's a numbers game...

If there's two spots left and Newnes, Gibbo, LOB and Cottrel (sp?) are fighting, who gets the nod?

And let's presume Doc will be able to play in 2022 unhindered.

 

[BrownDog20]

Agree mate. But where do we get the top end talent if we continue to trade our first rounders out. Not that I debate the Cerra and Saad moves. A - you pick the pocket of others and increase your depth incrementally. ….and hopefully our first rounder gets later and later. Hell it was me who called Walsh Vanilla. I get the we need talent part. Love Walshy now.

Side note - If we retain 25 or whatever it becomes, we should draft KP/Ruck depth. Mids can be got more readily by trade.

Id still categorically send out the feelers on Finlayson, Wallis, Brander, Young, etc etc. List sizes are too small for romanticism. I love Marchbank, but if it was him or Finlayson, right now, I’d move Caleb on as he simply can’t get himself right. Not his or our fault.

Yeah I am happy to bring in Cerra and Saad is quality.Williams will come good also.

We just need to get the right mix betweengoing to the draft / bringing in people who add depth and make players work harder for there spots.

There is always someone who comes out of the woodwork around draft time who changes teams and turns into a quality footballer. We just need to find those types as well.

Brander and Young could help with our big man stocks.

 

[RPCB]

So we Welcome Hewett today?

On SM-G988B using BigFooty.com mobile app

Hopefully it gets announced today.

 

[myblueroan]

We just need to get the right mix...
Brander and Young could help with our big man stocks.

Great songwriters also.
End of year parties will be awesome.

 

[DrTrain]

Do we have an update on Doc’s health? I hope his treatment is going well!

 

[Coops93]

Let’s hope that while Marchbank recovers from his ACL it has also given his body time to get over all his other ailments..

I made this at the time of the injury too. Instead of rushing back from his other ailments this gives those injuries an extended period of time to recover and strengthen. In a roundabout way, this could've been the best thing for him longer term.

Of course this comes from no real medical knowledge and I expect Jimmae to tell me how wrong I am at some point, which is fair enough if so. But to my laymen mind extra time off will be good for him - knee aside.

 

[james95]

Very left field, but would any of you be keen on throwing something at the Pies for Grundy? Would help relieve their salary cap pressure and what’s the point of them paying him a million a season when they’re likely to be bottom 6 for the next 3 years while they rebuild anyway.

I have no idea how we could get it done at all. Would have to include our 2022 1st another pick and a player with some potential most likely. But go to them and say here have this and pay 300k of his wage for the next however many years.


I know our cap will be under a tight squeeze soon too but surely it could be managed somehow especially if we are only paying 600-650 of Grundy’s wage.

Massive long shot, but it would address our ruck needs where we have been poor for the entirety of the century bar the few years Kreuzer managed to stay on the park and allow TDK that time to grow still while spending 75% of his time forward.

 

[DamianBis]

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had some huge potential as a key position backman dogs wouldn't let him go. They possibly have the worst KPB's in the league

 

[FanofFev]

Let’s hope that while Marchbank recovers from his ACL it has also given his body time to get over all his other ailments..

I remember reading a rumour somewhere on BF that he’s going to be delisted and paid out

 

[Coops93]

I remember reading a rumour somewhere on BF that he’s going to be delisted and paid out

Iirc that same post said Clarkson or Lyon was signing up - I don't remember which.

 

[AceAndy]

Great songwriters also.
End of year parties will be awesome.

Glad you edited that , i was trying to work out what Cerra Saad & Williams had written.

 

[Gethelred]

Very left field, but would any of you be keen on throwing something at the Pies for Grundy? Would help relieve their salary cap pressure and what’s the point of them paying him a million a season when they’re likely to be bottom 6 for the next 3 years while they rebuild anyway.

I have no idea how we could get it done at all. Would have to include our 2022 1st another pick and a player with some potential most likely. But go to them and say here have this and pay 300k of his wage for the next however many years.


I know our cap will be under a tight squeeze soon too but surely it could be managed somehow especially if we are only paying 600-650 of Grundy’s wage.

Massive long shot, but it would address our ruck needs where we have been poor for the entirety of the century bar the few years Kreuzer managed to stay on the park and allow TDK that time to grow still while spending 75% of his time forward.

We're behaving as though we're going to be struggling to stay under the cap at the moment anyway (probably due to having to pay marginally more to sign Cerra and Hewitt) so taking on another significant contract isn't going to assist us very much.

There's also a risk with Grundy. He's not a tap ruckman, he's a tall midfielder that rucks; we essentially already have one of those in Jack Silvagni, who was BOG against Collingwood rucking against him. He worked in that team in 2018 because he assisted with their spread of contributors, and they relied on always being able to get that extra loose player around the contest and then on the loose ball.

I don't see much value for us in him playing for us, honestly. And anything which relieves Collingwood's salary cap is not something I'm going to want much of, anyway.

 

[gadj1976]

The issue we have is, we have a team full of role players and not enough top end talent. A lot of our guys who play week in week our should be our depth players.

Disagree. If everyone plays their role well, we win more than we lose.

 

[james95]

We're behaving as though we're going to be struggling to stay under the cap at the moment anyway (probably due to having to pay marginally more to sign Cerra and Hewitt) so taking on another significant contract isn't going to assist us very much.

There's also a risk with Grundy. He's not a tap ruckman, he's a tall midfielder that rucks; we essentially already have one of those in Jack Silvagni, who was BOG against Collingwood rucking against him. He worked in that team in 2018 because he assisted with their spread of contributors, and they relied on always being able to get that extra loose player around the contest and then on the loose ball.

I don't see much value for us in him playing for us, honestly. And anything which relieves Collingwood's salary cap is not something I'm going to want much of, anyway.

You cannot compare Grundy to Silvagni in any form.
Jack was nowhere near best on against Collingwood this year, yes he had a reasonable game, kicked a nice goal and took a nice grab late the week Serge passed but TDK rucked the majority of that game and did it well.

Jack played his best game for us in that kind of role a fortnight later against the saints when TDK went down early but Marshall still genuinely pulled his pants down in the ruck contests.

I think your completely underselling Grundy as a ruckman but let’s agree to disagree.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Glad to be wrong, very glad. Anyone??.

Quick search suggests back to 3

 

[BigFrizz36]

Quick search suggests back to 3

It was changed in 2020 to allow a minimum of 1 (assuming due to lack of exposed form by juniors)

Not sure if there has been a change back since then?

 

[Juddrockz]

Hopefully it gets announced today.

Another 2pm drop?

 

[RPCB]

Another 2pm drop?

Would be awesome if so.

 

[zeggie]

Very left field, but would any of you be keen on throwing something at the Pies for Grundy? Would help relieve their salary cap pressure and what’s the point of them paying him a million a season when they’re likely to be bottom 6 for the next 3 years while they rebuild anyway.

I have no idea how we could get it done at all. Would have to include our 2022 1st another pick and a player with some potential most likely. But go to them and say here have this and pay 300k of his wage for the next however many years.


I know our cap will be under a tight squeeze soon too but surely it could be managed somehow especially if we are only paying 600-650 of Grundy’s wage.

Massive long shot, but it would address our ruck needs where we have been poor for the entirety of the century bar the few years Kreuzer managed to stay on the park and allow TDK that time to grow still while spending 75% of his time forward.

Nope. No thanks. We need another young backup or an experienced stop gap for depth. That's all.

If we were going to chase a new #1 ruck would be far more interested in Lobb noting he is open to a pay cut/revised contract spread.

 

[Gethelred]

You cannot compare Grundy to Silvagni in any form.

Just did. See, no hands!

Jack Silvagni is a) already on our list, b) has just started to truly step into his talent, and c) will not cost draft picks and a 500 thousand + contract. He's played as a second ruck/extra mid for the entire second half of the year, and he has arguably outperformed Grundy over that time.

People overrate taps, and they especially overrate Grundy's taps.

Jack was nowhere near best on against Collingwood this year, yes he had a reasonable game, kicked a nice goal and took a nice grab late the week Serge passed but TDK rucked the majority of that game and did it well.

You're wrong, but that's okay.

Jack played his best game for us in that kind of role a fortnight later against the saints when TDK went down early but Marshall still genuinely pulled his pants down in the ruck contests.

Um...

You might want to have a look at the stats there, mate. Their hitout dominance translated into a mere 2 centre square clearances more; this despite us being one of the weakest clearance sides in the comp.

Dispense with your preconceptions. It'll do you a world of good.

I think your completely underselling Grundy as a ruckman but let’s agree to disagree.

I absolutely am underselling Grundy as a ruckman, but that isn't why I don't want him. I don't want him because he dramatically changes how we approach our ruck and midfield setup in ways that I do not think will be sustainable or will serve us well in finals.

Agreeing to disagree is something that happens after a conversation, not after one post. Do you not think you can convince me to your point of view?

 

[The Fantom]

Why is Damien Ferret mentioning Scarlett as a potential assistant coach in his Sliding Doors segment? Last I heard was he’s taking a year off, unless something has changed.