Bluemour 'Silly Season' Edition XXXIV

[Doro]

Can't wait for it to implode. Interesting viewing, indeed.

They've still got a lot of talent, not the same depth as a few years ago. Clarkson would need to get the fitness/rehab side of things up to scratch as a first task.

 

[jooce8891]

re sholl

 

[Wickzki]

He isn't allergic to contact, has a better contested possession rate to the likes of Langdon, J. Daicos, Zorko, Acres and Bailey Smith

Defensively. He has more zero tackle games (11) than he does multiple tackle games (8) and averages exactly 1 tackle per game (not counting the one game where he was a sub).

Not that we need a tackling machine on the wing but one of this forum's go to stats for defensive pressure is tackling (which doesn't tell the complete story).

 

[Blue__Balls]

Defensively. He has more zero tackle games (11) than he does multiple tackle games (8) and averages exactly 1 tackle per game (not counting the one game where he was a sub).

Not that we need a tackling machine on the wing but one of this forum's go to stats for defensive pressure is tackling (which doesn't tell the complete story).

Has some pretty poor hitout numbers too.

 

[Bradschi]

Damian Barrett said today on Triple M, that Ash Hansen has taken himself out of the running for the GWS job. Personal reasons, can’t leave Melbourne

Hansen's done a fantastic job this year with the group. Also head coaching opportunities are rare, even rarer to have a second chance like Vossy, so if he was to leave he'd want to go to a good situation where he can do well and win. He'll be with us for another couple of years at least.

 

[Jeremias]

Defensively. He has more zero tackle games (11) than he does multiple tackle games (8) and averages exactly 1 tackle per game (not counting the one game where he was a sub).

Not that we need a tackling machine on the wing but one of this forum's go to stats for defensive pressure is tackling (which doesn't tell the complete story).

People can go to that statistic all they like but it's largely irrelevant. If he's out on a wing he's not there to rack up lots of tackles.

Ed Langdon and Isaac Smith are probably the two best pure wings in the game.

Langdon has averaged 2 tackles per game over the course of his career. As a key member of a premiership side he laid one or fewer tackles in 11 games.

Smith in 2022 - 18 games played to date, in 11 of them he's also laid one or fewer.

There are reasons to not go after Sholl but a low tackle count just isn't one. As Blue__Balls said above, a severe lack of hitouts is probably just as relevant.

 

[Arr0w]

Defensively. He has more zero tackle games (11) than he does multiple tackle games (8) and averages exactly 1 tackle per game (not counting the one game where he was a sub).

Not that we need a tackling machine on the wing but one of this forum's go to stats for defensive pressure is tackling (which doesn't tell the complete story).

Yeah, averaged about 1 tackle a game over his short career. This year players under 2 tackles a game, Aish, Zac Bailey, 2E, Coyler, Cotts, Hind, Bowey, Langdon, Shane Edwards, etc

 

[Sector 7G]

He plays just fine. In the championships he played a game as a centre square mid, at AFL level can play anywhere from HBF, wing, HF. Given his kicking skills, clubs would prefer him to play on the outside, but isn't shy of winning his own pill

Draft prospect: Lachlan Sholl

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We should recruit. I am a big fan of his work in Malcolm in the Middle.

 

[Lace_Out]

Under current AFL rules, we cannot trade our first round pick this year, after having traded it the past 2 years in a row.

I am happy about this because there is some decent KPD stock in this draft, in fact I would love us to move up in the first round pecking order to try snag Busslinger if possible

Dude must be an absolute brute if he can sling a bus.

Count me in

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[Schoonerman]

We have two wing spots to fill.. no reaosn O'Brien, Sholl and Cottrell cant rotate across two wings.

Sorry but don’t think those 3 would be play in the same 22…
On the bench - A defender, on baller, forward and a ruck/utility
Just my opinion

 

[Justnetime]

For Austin who loves metres gained on the guys coming out of defence and I think will apply to his wingers, then Sholl would be of interest at 278 metres gained. Way ahead of Cottrell but behind Lob. If you then cross reference the impact of a team fighting for top four over a team fighting for bottom four then I’m guessing Sholl in the navy blues will go well over 300. Not too mention more disposal and other good things etc.

 

[ferrisb]

We have two wing spots to fill.. no reaosn O'Brien, Sholl and Cottrell cant rotate across two wings.

Sholl and Cottrell run so hard, they could probably rotate across three wings!

 

[Wickzki]

People can go to that statistic all they like but it's largely irrelevant. If he's out on a wing he's not there to rack up lots of tackles.

Ed Langdon and Isaac Smith are probably the two best pure wings in the game.

Langdon has averaged 2 tackles per game over the course of his career. As a key member of a premiership side he laid one or fewer tackles in 11 games.

Smith in 2022 - 18 games played to date, in 11 of them he's also laid one or fewer.

There are reasons to not go after Sholl but a low tackle count just isn't one. As Blue__Balls said above, a severe lack of hitouts is probably just as relevant.

Yeah, averaged about 1 tackle a game over his short career. This year players under 2 tackles a game, Aish, Zac Bailey, 2E, Coyler, Cotts, Hind, Bowey, Langdon, Shane Edwards, etc

I agree with both of you. All I'm saying is that I agree that he'll become a scapegoat and that this is arguably the stat that'll be pointed out time and again regardless of its actual relevancy

 

[Brackets]

I'm assuming you're not questioning those attributes, because they're well documented and supported by stats and the eye test. Instead, you're querying what deficiencies he has that would have Adelaide open to trading him despite the known strengths?

Hard to be sure from the outside of course.

He's slight, not a particularly physical player - though as a wing it's not a dealbreaker.

Adelaide picked up Dawson in the off season who is a class, mature wing/HB. Gameplan-wise I think they're trying to be more corridor focused, and already have some strong runners (Laird, Dawson, Berry, Keays, McHenry, Soligo etc.) who make a specialised wing like Sholl less of a requirement on gameday.

Coach Nicks was also on record last year regarding a drop in confidence which affected Sholl's gameplay at the back end of the year.

He's a VIC lad and may have hit a point where he's just keen to come back closer to family support networks.

So Sholl is 22, had a bit of a drop in form late last year, some players improved around him, a top class mature age wing was recruited, he's feeling a bit on the outer - a range of factors that have him may down the pecking order.

Then he sees an opportunity to move home and play for the club his old man played for, that he supported, and that just so happens to have a wing position up for grabs. He's not a required player at Adelaide, they know they have options in his position, he's not going to justify a huge trade - it may just be one of those "works for all parties" situations.

I agree that he's not an exciting prospect. It's not like when Cerra or Saad were linked to us - big names, proven performers. But Sholl presents as a potential low cost, high potential recruit who, at the bare minimum, would probably provide injury/form cover for LOB with a similar skillset and output.

Some real quality posts you've presented on the topic - great read

 

[Justnetime]

I agree with both of you. All I'm saying is that I agree that he'll become a scapegoat and that this is arguably the stat that'll be pointed out time and again regardless of its actual relevancy

I think if a player can get one tackle a game then in our losses they protect themselves. If they get none, it isn’t just the wingers at risk of supporter anger.

Just because there are quite a few non tackling wingers out there doesn’t mean we should give up looking for a winger of mcluggage’s type. With him you get disposals, tackles and he plays wing Effectively.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I think if a player can get one tackle a game then in our losses they protect themselves. If they get none, it isn’t just the wingers at risk of supporter anger.

Just because there are quite a few non tackling wingers out there doesn’t mean we should give up looking for a winger of mcluggage’s type. With him you get disposals, tackles and he plays wing Effectively.

Yeah, he went at Pick 3 though.

Walsh would be another elite winger with physicality. Pick 1.

Angus Brayshaw? Pick 3.

By and large, you're not getting a budget recruit with elite disposal, elite endurance, elite tackling, elite contested ball, elite marking etc. Have to pick and choose the attributes. You want a more physical tackler on the wing without coughing up a first rounder, you're gonna need to lower the expectations on disposal and/or endurance. Expect another Newnes (nothing wrong with that, there's a place for those players on the list).

I'd have LOB and Sholl battling for the offensive wing next season, and Cottrell, Newnes and probably Setters battling for the defensive wing (the latter two being versatile enough to also offer some emergency cover for other positions and Sub Vest Suitability). That's a good split for their relative skill sets, I reckon.

Means we can earmark one of our first two picks for a KPF from the draft, and the other can then be best available without us having to reach for a position of need.

 

[Aphrodite]

Forget Baker ...

 

[skadoosh]

Forget Baker ...

43 on the money

 

[ferrisb]

Ash Hansen has taken himself out of the running for the GWS job. Personal reasons, can’t leave Melbourne

I can neither confirm nor deny I called up Ash and warned him that if he moves from Melbourne, I will buy the house next door and play Barry Manilow on full blast 24 hours a day...

 

[Accidental genius]

I can neither confirm nor deny I called up Ash and warned him that if he moves from Melbourne, I will buy the house next door and play Barry Manilow on full blast 24 hours a day...

ok...i'll ask...

not that i listen to his music but whats wrong with barry manilow?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Sorry but don’t think those 3 would be play in the same 22…
On the bench - A defender, on baller, forward and a ruck/utility
Just my opinion

Last weekend we had O'Brien, Cottrell and Setterfield rotating across the two wings. What is the difference between O'Brien, Cottrell and Sholl?

 

[skadoosh]

Brayshaw re-signed to 2028

 

[Justnetime]

Yeah, he went at Pick 3 though.

Walsh would be another elite winger with physicality. Pick 1.

Angus Brayshaw? Pick 3.

By and large, you're not getting a budget recruit with elite disposal, elite endurance, elite tackling, elite contested ball, elite marking etc. Have to pick and choose the attributes. You want a more physical tackler on the wing without coughing up a first rounder, you're gonna need to lower the expectations on disposal and/or endurance. Expect another Newnes (nothing wrong with that, there's a place for those players on the list).

I'd have LOB and Sholl battling for the offensive wing next season, and Cottrell, Newnes and probably Setters battling for the defensive wing (the latter two being versatile enough to also offer some emergency cover for other positions and Sub Vest Suitability). That's a good split for their relative skill sets, I reckon.

Means we can earmark one of our first two picks for a KPF from the draft, and the other can then be best available without us having to reach for a position of need.

I’m just saying keep an eye out. What about Blake Acres this year? Plays wing and tackles.

id pay a pick 15 for zac Bailey . Plays half forward and wing. Career tackle average 2.4.

 

[Blue and Blue]

I can neither confirm nor deny I called up Ash and warned him that if he moves from Melbourne, I will buy the house next door and play Barry Manilow on full blast 24 hours a day...

You total copabanana

 

[Garters]

Yeah, he went at Pick 3 though.

Walsh would be another elite winger with physicality. Pick 1.

Angus Brayshaw? Pick 3.

By and large, you're not getting a budget recruit with elite disposal, elite endurance, elite tackling, elite contested ball, elite marking etc. Have to pick and choose the attributes. You want a more physical tackler on the wing without coughing up a first rounder, you're gonna need to lower the expectations on disposal and/or endurance. Expect another Newnes (nothing wrong with that, there's a place for those players on the list).

I'd have LOB and Sholl battling for the offensive wing next season, and Cottrell, Newnes and probably Setters battling for the defensive wing (the latter two being versatile enough to also offer some emergency cover for other positions and Sub Vest Suitability). That's a good split for their relative skill sets, I reckon.

Means we can earmark one of our first two picks for a KPF from the draft, and the other can then be best available without us having to reach for a position of need.

Good post