Free Agency Brad Crouch [joins St Kilda as a RFA for pick 23]

[Crow till I die]

Now you're starting to talk about a real complex trading scenario.

Consider that Free Agency and Trade Period in the shortened time frames now only overlap by 3 days. The end date for free agency is now 3 weeks away and one of those weeks will be soaked up by the target club playing in the GF this weekend

Richmond would either need to complete a very complex trade including players leaving, likely a 3 way trade or involving some other enabling trades and they have only 3 business days to complete that. They could make the offer, let it go to match then do the deal during the trade period but then the club is locking itself in to a very poor negotiating position.

Any free agent move that goes to trade this year would have to be for picks or would have to be one where the destination club is 100% they can get it done after the free agency window was closed. I can't see any club taking the risk for Brad given his cornered they would make themselves and the perceived lack of enthusiasm for him out there.

Unless crouch advises richmond and adelaide well before trade period he will accept their deal that is for arguments sake lower than band 1 and the crows say they will match. That then gives richmond and adelaide time to discuss players and for richmond to speak to those players. This could all be put in place prior to trade period which would just then need to be signed off on at that time

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Unless crouch advises richmond and adelaide well before trade period he will accept their deal that is for arguments sake lower than band 1 and the crows say they will match. That then gives richmond and adelaide time to discuss players and for richmond to speak to those players. This could all be put in place prior to trade period which would just then need to be signed off on at that time

So you think Richmond, in the two weeks after winning or losing a premiership, will be able to identify a suitable player that they could turn into a pick, shop that player around to the rest of the comp, agree to suitable terms that don't massively disadvantage them, and then on-trade that for Brad Crouch before November 6th.

Even if they wanted to that's not realistally achievable and they won't even try

 

[Crow till I die]

So you think Richmond, in the two weeks after winning or losing a premiership, will be able to identify a suitable player that they could turn into a pick, shop that player around to the rest of the comp, agree to suitable terms that don't massively disadvantage them, and then on-trade that for Brad Crouch before November 6th.

Even if they wanted to that's not realistally achievable and they won't even try

it depends on how much they want Crouch if Adelaide say they will match a bid lower than band 1 and want more than Richmond's end of 1st round draft pick. It will be up to Richmond to come up with the goods. How much do they want him and that will dictate how hard they work to satisfy a trade if it went that way

 

[CatToTheFuture]

it depends on how much they want Crouch if Adelaide say they will match a bid lower than band 1 and want more than Richmond's end of 1st round draft pick. It will be up to Richmond to come up with the goods. How much do they want him and that will dictate how hard they work to satisfy a trade if it went that way

Even if they really, really want him i would think that's not executable in the time frames if a player is being traded out.

It's late October, no one even knows what the cap is or playing list sizes, and the free agency period expires in the first week of November.

A match for picks i would say is executable in the time frame required but also unlikely

 

[frank99]

Whopping 1 Brownlow vote last night.

To be fair that was about 20% of our total votes

 

[Mt Isa Mustang]

To be fair that was about 20% of our total votes

haha, I get it. I support the suns

Got to say, I'm a little surprised how poorly he polled.
Our midfielders who are lower quality players - Swallow, Fiorini, Miller - still polled better than he did in the last couple of years where we were also abysmal. (obviously had a few extra games where they were a chance)

2019 (3-19) - Swallow 7, Miller 5, Fiorini 4,
2018 (4-18) - Fiorini 5, Miller 4, Swallow 2

 

[WeedsMullet84]

RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS - 2020
Brad Crouch (Adelaide)
Zac Williams (GWS) - Band 1
Jack Viney (Melbourne) - Re-signed with Demons
Brad Ebert (Port Adelaide) - Retired

These are the only midfielders (Williams HB I know) that wouldn't have cost anyone a draft pick come this trade period.

Brad Crouch is the only one that's left. He's desperate to stay in Adelaide, but he'd already knocked back a contract from us based on the $$'s and years offered, which means he's at least partially motivated by money and conditions, which is fair enough.

Similar to the situation at Carlton, other clubs would have had a few years running their salary cap at the minimum, and would have a bit of coin to throw around. If you were someone like Essendon/Saints, and could offer something heavily front ended whilst protecting your draft picks, why wouldn't you?

Desire to stay in Adelaide - Strong
Desire for contract yrs/$$ - Strong
Desire for success - Strong?

No one club can offer all of these, and you can argue until the cows come home about which of these three categories he prioritises. But that's exactly what it will come down to, and no one had a clue where his preferences lie.

If I could hazard a guess I personally think a team will come in and offer a heavily front-ended 4 year contract with a trigger for a 5th, and it'll be high enough the Crows wont match. No forced trading, and it will be Saints that makes the offer. Every indicator tells me that he's not going to move somewhere like Richmond or Geelong on less coin purely just for the opportunity for success. Happy to bookmark this one!

 

[manureid]

Port pretty much ruled themselves out

 

[marty36]

Port pretty much ruled themselves out

You are right and with a comment like this from Davies

“It’s more about what our priorities are at the moment and what Brad is going to be asking for in the marketplace and ultimately whether a deal could get done at the level we’d be willing to pay.

Its pretty damn clear that Brad wants big bucks $$$$$$$$$$

Obviously a Band 1 salary he is after

 

[danielG]

You are right the whole system is flawed

I dont think Adelaide should pay say port through cash equalisation

I dont think the GF should be played at the MCG every year except when their is a global pandemic

I dont think clubs should get increased salary caps

I don't think tge acadamy system is fair

Should their be draft picks based on ladder position or should it be lottery

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Marty most of what you wrote is just nonsensical.. I’m not saying the draft should be a lottery.. the pure draft and salary cap are exactly what equalisation should be built from.. I’m completely against free agency being an equalisation tool..
The grand final being played out of the MCG is a financial decision. It fits a lot more people than any other ground in Australia.. in the AFL money matters..
I’ve read a lot of this thread and a couple of posters just respond w

You are right and with a comment like this from Davies

“It’s more about what our priorities are at the moment and what Brad is going to be asking for in the marketplace and ultimately whether a deal could get done at the level we’d be willing to pay.

Its pretty damn clear that Brad wants big bucks $$$$$$$$$$

Obviously a Band 1 salary he is after

I'm sure most AFL players would like Big bucks and a Band one salary but to this point that doesn't seem to be on offer....Crouch isn't that good a player...He's a vanilla player, fairly limited , not great hurt factor, doesn't kick goals, not damaging by foot, accumulated a grand total of one brownlow vote, didn't finish in the top 10 in the most recent B&F, has a drug strike, will miss the opening two rounds because of it and has not shown great durability... Unless a club can be persuaded that they should add $100,000+ to a more reasonable wage to forgo the need to trade he's more likely going to get a 3-4 year deal in the range of $500,000 per year.. It's not an impossible dream but most would agree its unlikely...

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Marty most of what you wrote is just nonsensical.. I’m not saying the draft should be a lottery.. the pure draft and salary cap are exactly what equalisation should be built from.. I’m completely against free agency being an equalisation tool..
The grand final being played out of the MCG is a financial decision. It fits a lot more people than any other ground in Australia.. in the AFL money matters..
I’ve read a lot of this thread and a couple of posters just respond w

I'm sure most AFL players would like Big bucks and a Band one salary but to this point that doesn't seem to be on offer....Crouch isn't that good a player...He's a vanilla player, fairly limited , not great hurt factor, doesn't kick goals, not damaging by foot, accumulated a grand total of one brownlow vote, didn't finish in the top 10 in the most recent B&F, has a drug strike, will miss the opening two rounds because of it and has not shown great durability... Unless a club can be persuaded that they should add $100,000+ to a more reasonable wage to forgo the need to trade he's more likely going to get a 3-4 year deal in the range of $500,000 per year.. It's not an impossible dream but most would agree its unlikely...

So he leaves for $100k less than the previous contract he'd signed?
And he's won't cost a draft pick?
Come on mate, use your brain...

 

[Dangerousfield]

Whopping 1 Brownlow vote last night.

Yep, $750k x 4 and pick 2 is looking assured now

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Yep, $750k x 4 and pick 2 is looking assured now

You know we finished bottom, right? The entire team was terrible. You more often than not only poll votes in a winning team on the day, so....

For anyone else who wants to peruse previous years Brownlow votes of those who finished on 1 vote....

Brownlow Medal

AFL Brownlow Medal history and statistics.

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[danielG]

So he leaves for $100k less than the previous contract he'd signed?
And he's won't cost a draft pick?
Come on mate, use your brain...

Ok, I'll use my brain.. He won't get what you need him to get to get justify a band one compensation...The two speculated offers I've read get not even close to what you'd need. I am not sure why you think it takes me to "use my brain" given that's the evidence that's been presented to this point. That in conjunction with all the previously made point lead me to believe he's not going to get a contract that's not in line with what Adelaide would need. I could be wrong, we shall see. The consensus seems to be the Crows will be left with band two...Its not a knock on your club, its just how I see this playing out.

 

[GoTheMightyCrows]

RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS - 2020

These are the only midfielders (Williams HB I know) that wouldn't have cost anyone a draft pick come this trade period.

Brad Crouch is the only one that's left. He's desperate to stay in Adelaide, but he'd already knocked back a contract from us based on the $$'s and years offered, which means he's at least partially motivated by money and conditions, which is fair enough.

Similar to the situation at Carlton, other clubs would have had a few years running their salary cap at the minimum, and would have a bit of coin to throw around. If you were someone like Essendon/Saints, and could offer something heavily front ended whilst protecting your draft picks, why wouldn't you?

Desire to stay in Adelaide - Strong
Desire for contract yrs/$$ - Strong
Desire for success - Strong?

No one club can offer all of these, and you can argue until the cows come home about which of these three categories he prioritises. But that's exactly what it will come down to, and no one had a clue where his preferences lie.

If I could hazard a guess I personally think a team will come in and offer a heavily front-ended 4 year contract with a trigger for a 5th, and it'll be high enough the Crows wont match. No forced trading, and it will be Saints that makes the offer. Every indicator tells me that he's not going to move somewhere like Richmond or Geelong on less coin purely just for the opportunity for success. Happy to bookmark this one!

Or the crows made a low ball offer trying to push Brad out the door so they can get compo in return.

 

[philthy05]

You are right and with a comment like this from Davies

“It’s more about what our priorities are at the moment and what Brad is going to be asking for in the marketplace and ultimately whether a deal could get done at the level we’d be willing to pay.

Its pretty damn clear that Brad wants big bucks $$$$$$$$$$

Obviously a Band 1 salary he is after

**** me you grasp so desperately at those straws

Davies at no point says that brad is asking for a massive pay packet

That quote simply says it may be more than port wants with our priorities elsewhere.

It could mean that 4 years is too much

It could mean that 650k is too much

Who knows.

There’s a million posts from you on this board vigorously pushing this massive contract idea like a zealot.

 

[Mt Isa Mustang]

You know we finished bottom, right? The entire team was terrible. You more often than not only poll votes in a winning team on the day, so....

For anyone else who wants to peruse previous years Brownlow votes of those who finished on 1 vote....

Brownlow Medal

AFL Brownlow Medal history and statistics.

www.footywire.com

I was comparing with gold coasts midfielders.
See above my quote.
Our ‘top 3k’ midfielders usually polled 3-7 votes per season when we were winning 3 games a year.
Maybe crouch was in the past 5 players on your team every week, but he wasn’t 3 most influential on the ground.
I dst think it’s entirely meaningless.

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[CatToTheFuture]

Ok, I'll use my brain.. He won't get what you need him to get to get justify a band one compensation...The two speculated offers I've read get not even close to what you'd need. I am not sure why you think it takes me to "use my brain" given that's the evidence that's been presented to this point. That in conjunction with all the previously made point lead me to believe he's not going to get a contract that's not in line with what Adelaide would need. I could be wrong, we shall see. The consensus seems to be the Crows will be left with band two...Its not a knock on your club, its just how I see this playing out.

You are correct and also wasting your breath. They're emotionally invested

 

[SuperBashBros]

fu** me you grasp so desperately at those straws

Davies at no point says that brad is asking for a massive pay packet

That quote simply says it may be more than port wants with our priorities elsewhere.

It could mean that 4 years is too much

It could mean that 650k is too much

Who knows.

There’s a million posts from you on this board vigorously pushing this massive contract idea like a zealot.

Davies said part of the reason Port are highly unlikely is because Crows have indicated to them that they will match any offer Port are likely to come in at.

Davies knows their draft captial is committed to their gem Jones and wouldnt be able use it for Crouch. They already traded away their first this year so I dont think they can trade away the next years first either.

 

[DontArgue4]

Surely cats cant get Cameron, Crouch AND Higgins?

 

[manureid]

In no way can the Crows be seen to let Crouch go to Port for band 2 or 3 compo. Just wont happen. Hence Davies saying it is basically too problematic to even consider.

 

[TryAnHit]

On no way can the Crows be seen to let Crouch go to Port for band 2 or 3 compo. Just wont happen. Hence Davies saying it is basically too problematic to even consider.

Would be a PR nightmare

 

[db26]

Honestly never seen this guy play all I know his been injured a fair bit .What a his strengths and weaknesses seems like this free agency deal been over hyped.

 

[Shadow89]

Crouch pretty much a certainty not to come to us now - given we haven't uttered a whisper about him

 

[Wild Bill]

Crouch pretty much a certainty not to come to us now - given we haven't uttered a whisper about him

You have already won the trade period.