Brisbane's Gabba not to be rebuilt!

[Aussie in exile]

Where ever they are thinking of the money coming from if they were to build or rebuild a stadium. I’m just suggesting a location.

Ideally a location that will be cheaper than a rebuild of the GABBA, as it doesn’t require the temporary hosting at another venue of the Lions and cricket, and it doesn’t have the complexity of having to build over neighbouring roads.

Ideally yes, but it could be a bit of a push.
Would the stadium only be used for AF, or could it be used for 1st class cricket?

 

[Aussie in exile]

Taxpayers hopefully.

And your tears will be delicious.

So you would sooner money spend on a sports stadium than hospitals or schools.
Just to remind you that the biggest sport in the world in it's own country doesn't rely on taxpayers money, and that's why sadly AF will only ever be a domestic comp, in a country with a population of about 26 million.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

im pretty sure they are building a light rail station next door (wollongabba) to help with pedestrians getting to the ground. So very unlikely they would move it now after committing to that rail works.

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This station already exists as the current busway station. The terribly-named "Metro" is a project that uses longer buses on the existing busway. As part of the project, they're moving this station underground, but that won't significantly increase its capacity.

The bigger project, as Cunnington Cartel pointed out, is Cross River Rail, a new inner-city line, which will also have a station in Woolloongabba. It's usually this station people point to when they make the argument that the Gabba won't move due to the transport infrastructure that's going in. But this argument misses two things:

1. The government are massively upzoning the Woolloongabba area to make it high density. There will be plenty of people moving in there in the years to come, and that alone would justify the new station. So the station will be well-used even if the Gabba moves, it isn't dependent on the stadium being there to be patronised.

2. Cross River Rail has another end to it. This involves using the existing Exhibition branch line that's only open to passengers during the annual show, and giving it regular services all year round. And there's room near that station in Victoria Park to build a stadium, as kranger identified. It's also right next to Herston station on the Metro map you posted earlier. So building a stadium there would make equally good use of both projects as the Gabba would. And it'd probably be cheaper to build since it's in a park, not right up against several major roads.

 

[Cunnington Cartel]

This station already exists as the current busway station. The terribly-named "Metro" is a project that uses longer buses on the existing busway. As part of the project, they're moving this station underground, but that won't significantly increase its capacity.

The bigger project, as Cunnington Cartel pointed out, is Cross River Rail, a new inner-city line, which will also have a station in Woolloongabba. It's usually this station people point to when they make the argument that the Gabba won't move due to the transport infrastructure that's going in. But this argument misses two things:

1. The government are massively upzoning the Woolloongabba area to make it high density. There will be plenty of people moving in there in the years to come, and that alone would justify the new station. So the station will be well-used even if the Gabba moves, it isn't dependent on the stadium being there to be patronised.

2. Cross River Rail has another end to it. This involves using the existing Exhibition branch line that's only open to passengers during the annual show, and giving it regular services all year round. And there's room near that station in Victoria Park to build a stadium, as kranger identified. It's also right next to Herston station on the Metro map you posted earlier. So building a stadium there would make equally good use of both projects as the Gabba would. And it'd probably be cheaper to build since it's in a park, not right up against several major roads.

Cheers, that’s an excellent summary of the situation. Vic Park is really the ideal location. It basically has all of the same benefits of the Gabba, without the major headaches that will arise from a Gabba rebuild.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Cheers, that’s an excellent summary of the situation. Vic Park is really the ideal location. It basically has all of the same benefits of the Gabba, without the major headaches that will arise from a Gabba rebuild.

For some reason Lions fans don't seem convinced and still want the Gabba rebuild. I'm a little mystified why. Given the council haven't followed through on their plans for the whole park yet, the state government should be able to buy a third of the land from them.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

This station already exists as the current busway station. The terribly-named "Metro" is a project that uses longer buses on the existing busway. As part of the project, they're moving this station underground, but that won't significantly increase its capacity.

The bigger project, as Cunnington Cartel pointed out, is Cross River Rail, a new inner-city line, which will also have a station in Woolloongabba. It's usually this station people point to when they make the argument that the Gabba won't move due to the transport infrastructure that's going in. But this argument misses two things:

1. The government are massively upzoning the Woolloongabba area to make it high density. There will be plenty of people moving in there in the years to come, and that alone would justify the new station. So the station will be well-used even if the Gabba moves, it isn't dependent on the stadium being there to be patronised.

2. Cross River Rail has another end to it. This involves using the existing Exhibition branch line that's only open to passengers during the annual show, and giving it regular services all year round. And there's room near that station in Victoria Park to build a stadium, as kranger identified. It's also right next to Herston station on the Metro map you posted earlier. So building a stadium there would make equally good use of both projects as the Gabba would. And it'd probably be cheaper to build since it's in a park, not right up against several major roads.

yep but i doubt the government is going to commit to a brand new stadium, ontop of all that infastructure cost.

would make little sense for little return. QLD debt forecast is something like 130 billion this year isn't it? Almost 30 billion more than NSW if i recall.

Much better off doing a refurbishment of the Gabba. pending what the actual issues are with it. That would be the best bang for buck.

The only reason they should build at Vick Park, is if they can't refurb the Gabba without knocking it down. Kinda like Allianz in Sydney, so many life safety issues out of code that they couldn't actually refurb it and had to knock it down.

ACCOR stadium (homebush) just underwent a pretty lean renovation and the new AV system installed makes it look totally different. Almost looks brand new on the inside.

 

[Professor Knowall]

As an aside, I listened to Chris Fagan interviewed on the radio just a few days back about the Lions prospects this season etc. Right at the end, literally the last question, he was asked about the possibility of the Gabba not being rebuilt. His reply was that although the stadium clearly needs a refurbishment, the Lions don’t favour a complete rebuild, as they don’t want to be forced into an alternative venue for 3 years. They just want a staged refurbishment while they keep playing at the Gabba.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

yep but i doubt the government is going to commit to a brand new stadium, ontop of all that infastructure cost.

would make little sense for little return. QLD debt forecast is something like 130 billion this year isn't it? Almost 30 billion more than NSW if i recall.

That's gross debt. Net debt is only about $6bn. Unlike NSW and Victoria, Queensland has fully funded its public service superannuation scheme which puts them in a better net debt position.

Much better off doing a refurbishment of the Gabba. pending what the actual issues are with it. That would be the best bang for buck.

The only reason they should build at Vick Park, is if they can't refurb the Gabba without knocking it down. Kinda like Allianz in Sydney, so many life safety issues out of code that they couldn't actually refurb it and had to knock it down.

ACCOR stadium (homebush) just underwent a pretty lean renovation and the new AV system installed makes it look totally different. Almost looks brand new on the inside.

You're probably right on that.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

That's gross debt. Net debt is only about $6bn. Unlike NSW and Victoria, Queensland has fully funded its public service superannuation scheme which puts them in a better net debt position.


You're probably right on that.

Just to put more coolour on it this is what they did at ACCOR.

Daktronics installs its widest ever stadium LED screen

Bringing a larger-than-life view to Accor Stadium, Daktronics has worked with the venue in Sydney, A...

www.avinteractive.com

Gabba could do a light touch Reno and really change the experience of those in attendance as well as on TV.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

All for show. Every renovation/rebuild of a stadium or stand gets the "don't do it" stories

 

[Macca180]

So you would sooner money spend on a sports stadium than hospitals or schools.
Just to remind you that the biggest sport in the world in it's own country doesn't rely on taxpayers money, and that's why sadly AF will only ever be a domestic comp, in a country with a population of about 26 million.

Yeah I think the more taxpayer's money that is spent on our national game the better.

Love it. We should pay more.

How good.

 

[Macca180]

Perhaps if the AFL want it to be more football friendly, they should pay for the cost or pay more rental.

Nah taxpayers should pay for it.

How good.

 

[Macca180]

if the AFL want's it to be more football friendly they should part with some cash.
In these austere times sports can't keep relying on taxpayers.

Nah taxpayers should pay for it.

It's great knowing my money goes towards Australia's game. Fantastic.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Yeah I think the more taxpayer's money that is spent on our national game the better.

Love it. We should pay more.

How good.

Keep enjoying living at home with mum, with her cooking meals for you and doing your washing and ironing.
Not many 40 year old +'s can say that.

 

[M Malice]

For those that say we should be spending the money on more important issues eg. Health/Housing/Education... hypothetical > If they end up canning the Olympics or save Billions by other means will those crises be solved or made significantly better?

 

[Aussie in exile]

For those that say we should be spending the money on more important issues eg. Health/Housing/Education... hypothetical > If they end up canning the Olympics or save Billions by other means will those crises be solved or made significantly better?

Money is better spent on health, housing and education rather that sports stadia.
If sports want new stadia or stadia rebuild they should use the money they get from TV.

 

[M Malice]

Money is better spent on health, housing and education rather that sports stadia.
If sports want new stadia or stadia rebuild they should use the money they get from TV.

You didn't answer the question, do you expect the Billions of dollars saved to have a meaningful positive affect on Health, Housing and Education in Queensland?

 

[Aussie in exile]

You didn't answer the question, do you expect the Billions of dollars saved to have a meaningful positive affect on Health, Housing and Education in Queensland?

Yes i would expect too.
Now where do you stand on the matter?

 

[Aussie in exile]

You didn't answer the question, do you expect the Billions of dollars saved to have a meaningful positive affect on Health, Housing and Education in Queensland?

Yes i would expect too.
Now where do you stand on the matter?

 

[M Malice]

Yes i would expect too.
Now where do you stand on the matter?

I would be very confident that if hypothetically the Olympics were canned that it would make virtually no difference to future Government budgetary spending, the money wont magically go from the Olympic bucket into the Health bucket.

New stadium also supplies thousands of jobs for multiple years, and would improve transport infrastructure around the site as well as having a state of the art entertainment venue ie. Cricket, AFL, Concerts. Improved pedestrian/cycle paths ie. green. Flow on affects to local restaurants and accommodation sites, which in turn also encourages further employment opportunities.

The anti stadium crew always ignore long term benefits.

 

[Sphynx]

Im against the entirely new stadium, as like most stadium redevelopments like this, it will invariable mean the death of the GABBA.

I like it as a cricket venue and Optus Stadium has lost a hell of a lot of heritage and character with the new stadium vs the WACA

The Gabba will get knocked down for housing in the next 20 years as no more money will be invested in it with a $1b oval sports stadium already sitting in the city.

 

[Aussie in exile]

I would be very confident that if hypothetically the Olympics were canned that it would make virtually no difference to future Government budgetary spending, the money wont magically go from the Olympic bucket into the Health bucket.

New stadium also supplies thousands of jobs for multiple years, and would improve transport infrastructure around the site as well as having a state of the art entertainment venue ie. Cricket, AFL, Concerts. Improved pedestrian/cycle paths ie. green. Flow on affects to local restaurants and accommodation sites, which in turn also encourages further employment opportunities.

The anti stadium crew always ignore long term benefits.

New hospitals and schools provide jobs as well

 

[Macca180]

Money is better spent on health, housing and education rather that sports stadia.
If sports want new stadia or stadia rebuild they should use the money they get from

I can't afford to move away from home. Taxes are too high, funding the AFL.

Happy my tax money is going to our National Sport.

Fantastic.

 

[Aussie in exile]

I can't afford to move away from home. Taxes are too high, funding the AFL.

Happy my tax money is going to our National Sport.

Fantastic.

I say if your happy living mummy good luck to you

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Perhaps the AFL and Cricket might have to make up for the shortfall in cash if they want a rebuild/renovation of The Gabba if they want a modern stadium.

Thats a concept that gillon and his protege dillon dont understand. They are entitled and like to get govts to pay the bills for them.