He has no idea. John who? May as well ask TG.
Brodie Grundy's tackle- what's the verdict?
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jmac70
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About as common as getting KOd from a tackle as I have said BOTH are irregular in occurrence.
Being knocked out in a tackle doesn't happen often...
And no you were arguing the entire point missing it just like this has nothing to do with how common but if it even has happened at all...or to any seriousness what a joke.
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Grundy will sit out a week and the rule will be the first thing overhauled when the season is over.
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Ha nah, just a similar scenario.
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Don't know why you're bothering mate, clearly there's no evidence. Also, Treloars groin issues are imaginary, he hasn't been carrying OP for half a season. The guys who have seen first hand/know him are lying.
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I voted that he should get a week based on the precedent set so far this year. Though I don't agree with how it has been set.
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I voted for suspension. Pinned the arms and slung him to the ground head first. If it was another player at another club I'd expect 2 weeks. Had Brown got up and played on then it might be a fine or 1 week but the guy was ko'd. It wasn't intention but it was reckless and there was a second motion to whip brown to ground.
Perhaps clubs need to enlist Melbourne storm type tackling coaches to teach them how to tackle and hold the player up in the process. Unlike rugby, as the game is 360, your always gonna be in trouble when you blindside a guy, pin the arm and the result ends up being the opponents head is smashed into the ground. Seriously, I see billy slater blind side players when chasing from behind regularly and it never results in that type of tackle. Often it's slater grabbing the guy and pulling him backward and to the ground. A tackling style that if executed on Brown would have seen his legs buckle and him brought to ground on his back, instead of to the side and head first.
Like I said, unintentional. But you can't have blokes head being smashed into the ground like that. If brown did that to Grundy I'd want his head on a pyke
Perhaps clubs need to enlist Melbourne storm type tackling coaches to teach them how to tackle and hold the player up in the process. Unlike rugby, as the game is 360, your always gonna be in trouble when you blindside a guy, pin the arm and the result ends up being the opponents head is smashed into the ground. Seriously, I see billy slater blind side players when chasing from behind regularly and it never results in that type of tackle. Often it's slater grabbing the guy and pulling him backward and to the ground. A tackling style that if executed on Brown would have seen his legs buckle and him brought to ground on his back, instead of to the side and head first.
Like I said, unintentional. But you can't have blokes head being smashed into the ground like that. If brown did that to Grundy I'd want his head on a pyke
Id argue he slammed his body into the ground with whiplash causing the head to hit rather than head first then body like Zeibell on treloar.
Head first denotes that the head is first to contact which is a deliberate act rather then body slammed and incidental contact from the head following. Semantics i know but an important destinction imo.
NRL players arent trying to pin the ball in to win a free kick so the tackle can differ.
Slater can try do that to a stronger man in AFL and get dragged up the field, NRL he can basically trip the player with his tackle. NRL you can tackle around the ankles if needed...
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Having stood next to our adonis at a urinal I can say my verdict on his tackle is.....niiiiiice
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I voted against suspension, just as I would have for Particia's tackle last week.
Duty of care in a contact sport has its limits. If your objective is to get the ball off the other player by bringing him to ground, you either do it to the best of your abilities or you increase your chances of failing by putting in a half arsed effort. Not going as hard, or pinning both arms gives the opposition a better chance to get away - sure, it might not have mattered this week against the bottom feeders at Norf, but if these guys aren't allowed to tackle then what's the point.
Looking forward to hearing Ed tomorrow morning on this.
Duty of care in a contact sport has its limits. If your objective is to get the ball off the other player by bringing him to ground, you either do it to the best of your abilities or you increase your chances of failing by putting in a half arsed effort. Not going as hard, or pinning both arms gives the opposition a better chance to get away - sure, it might not have mattered this week against the bottom feeders at Norf, but if these guys aren't allowed to tackle then what's the point.
Looking forward to hearing Ed tomorrow morning on this.
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You completely missed my point. And yes league players are trying to pin the ball. They'd love to force a knock on or stop an offload.
Grundy's tackling style, and that of many afl players, is to pin the arms, sling to the side and to the ground to avoid a push in the back. NRL players don't have that concern so you rarely se that style of tackle from behind in NRL. Don't get me wrong, they'll pummel the guy in the back and nail him, but they'll also use a technique where they grab the guy and pull him back wards.
Your point about tackling ankles is irrelevant. I'm talking specifically about tackles I see where NRL player hits from behind above the waste and drags them backwards avoiding a sling head first into the ground. It usually happens near the try line because the player doesn't want to propel the opponent fwd and get into the in goal.
My point stands, with better tackling technique players can avoid that the aftermath of that type of tackle Grundy executed. It's reckless. The ball was illegally disposed of, and even after the ball comes loose Grundy smashes him into the ground. You can't do that in AFL. Once the ball is loose the tackler must let go. Even if it's holding the ball, the player must let go. Grundy didn't do that, he took the risk and completed the tackle dispite Brown loosing the ball.
It's like going the bump and making head contact. You choose to sling and they guy hits his head then you have to accept that your recklessness unnecessarily contributed to the guy getting knocked out. Brown was in a defenceless position. The duty of care is on the tackler end of story.
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The only nonsensical post is yours. And which rugby esque tackles in particular are you talking about from henney? I ain't seen him sling people head first into the ground.
I've watched both AFL and NRL my whole life and the one thing I know for sure is NRL players are 100 times better at manipulating an opponent to where they want him to fall than AFL players. That's because they train tackling constantly. Tackling is an after thought in AFL.
I've watched it 10 times just now. Had Grundy grabbed brown and immediately fell to his knees, which is what an NRL player would do tackling a guy in the one meter line to stop a try, he would have pulled Brown backwards avoiding the sling to the side and slamming his head into the ground.
All that's required is training better technique. It's not like Grundy is the only player to do it. But when the consequences are a guy ends up in hospital and north are down a man it ain't right.
Like I said, had brown done that to Grundy and Grundy was carted off I'd want Browns gone for at least 2 weeks
