Bye bye Clarkson

[blackshadow]

Perhaps the club can elaborate on the said cracks, and how each is being managed this year and next? This would give me comfort that there is a grand plan, and here are the parts of that plan. Why can this not be shared with the fan base?

eg, Tackling atm is absolutely horrible and we are ranked xx/18 teams and here is what we are doing for this particular issue in 2024. Owner of this Crack is Patch Adams and he will be backed up by Fred and Emma. Their bonus is tied to the lift and improvement of this KPI/Goal by xx % at the end of the season.

1. We have bought in the defensive tackling coach from Melb Rebels/Storm, or other AFL coach who is the guru.
2. 8 specialist coaching sessions on technique and specific strength work (Fisher, McKercher, Powell etc)
3. Individual tackles and team tackle number strategies (coral players to be tackled by your team mates and so on).

AFL clubs are a business. What gets measured, gets Done!!

Perhaps you should ask the club.

 

[Zebrah]

But does he have the ability? Everyone is just saying that he does based on 4 flags (which is a good reason) however, as time has gone on has he lost the ability, has the game passed him by, he certainly doesnt appear to be angry Clarko anymore, more like soft and cuddly Clarko. Head coaches like all managers cant go on for ever. At the moment I do not believe that he is showing those aspects of coaching that will take us back to even winning a game.

Despite the game evolving, it would be a huge stretch to think a guy of his experience doesn’t know what it takes in terms of standards, buy in, support staff and people management.

The only question mark is if he is invested enough. Most successful coaches are obsessive. Is that still Clarko? None of us know but I feel Viney would say something if it appeared not to be the case.

Ps recently got a $20K fine, so still appears to have anger issues.

 

[RossHenshaw]

Would you rather our team being built for future success or a couple of meaningless wins or performances that paper over the cracks?

I’d rather fix the ******* cracks than have something that looks good for a while but fails.

He chose a very expensive “meaningless” game to win round 23 last year that we will remember for every game Harley Reid plays in his career.
If we don’t remember, other supporters & media will

 

[pupstar]

He chose a very expensive “meaningless” game to win round 23 last year that we will remember for every game Harley Reid plays in his career.
If we don’t remember, other supporters & media will

Lets just see how Zanes career goes before we worry to much about Reid's.

 

[GDUB07]

Lets just see how Zanes career goes before we worry to much about Reid's.

As if the sole contributing factor a team wins is only due to coach! Geez RossHenshaw is a knob! Of course the players, and the opposition’s application on the day have nothing to do with it….Not. Just a rubbish statement by the creator of this thread cos he just has a deep seated hate for clarko. It’s pathetic

 

[pupstar]

As if the sole contributing factor a team wins is only due to coach! Geez RossHenshaw is a knob! Of course the players, and the opposition’s application on the day have nothing to do with it….Not. Just a rubbish statement by the creator of this thread cos he just has a deep seated hate for clarko. It’s pathetic

Ha ha true yet if you reverse that theory and posters think the sole reason we are not winning is cause of Carko go figure.

 

[RossHenshaw]

When you are in charge and on the big bucks $$$ . A lot of the responsibility goes on you . Like it or not .
This happens in any organisation (business or sport) .
That’s life .
Btw - I find it so amusing & in around about sad that these 2 ******* pathetic slugs in softshadow & R2D2 are still hanging around this thread throwing personal insults & swipes . And giving each high fives & thumbs up likes

 

[blackshadow]

Btw - I find it so amusing & in around about sad that these 2 ******* pathetic slugs in softshadow & R2D2 are still hanging around this thread throwing personal insults & swipes . And giving each high fives & thumbs up likes

 

[Blightys Barrel]

Probably showing my age here, but this classic British Comedy series called Ripping Yarns from the 1970’s had an episode called “Golden Gordon” following his beloved soccer team Barstoneworth United. It probably accurately reflects how we are feeling each weekend after we play. Here is a snippet.

 

[Horizons_00]

Would you rather our team being built for future success or a couple of meaningless wins or performances that paper over the cracks?

I’d rather fix the ******* cracks than have something that looks good for a while but fails.

Trying to win > making it not important

What? A win is not meaninglessness? Its a game ffs, if its not important to win then there what is the point of playing a sport? LOL

For a team that's had 12 wins in 5 years, a winning culture whether that will be a couple of games is WAY more important than not. In hindsight, if we didn't win that GC game last year, Sheezal and Larkey probably wouldn't have signed etc the flow on effect: confidence, emotional lift, winning culture, what competitiveness it takes to be involved in a win etc

You would rather fix the cracks in order to...... WIN no? We both are saying the same things in different ways

 

[blackshadow]

Trying to win > making it not important

What? A win is not meaninglessness? Its a game ffs, if its not important to win then there what is the point of playing a sport? LOL

For a team that's had 12 wins in 5 years, a winning culture whether that will be a couple of games is WAY more important than not. In hindsight, if we didn't win that GC game last year, Sheezal and Larkey probably wouldn't have signed etc the flow on effect: confidence, emotional lift, winning culture, what competitiveness it takes to be involved in a win etc

You would rather fix the cracks in order to...... WIN no? We both are saying the same things in different ways

I detest losing and hate where we are at the moment.

I hate when my kids ask “Daddy when will North Melbourne win?”

But even more than that I hate that we haven’t bitten the bullet in years past and that’s put us in the terrible position we’re in now.

I hate this thread and the brain dead morons calling for Clarko’s head without having a single better solution… oh wait let’s put the VFL coach into the job. Yep that’ll work.

Right now we have an extremely strong team in Clarkson and Viney who will stay the course to help us climb out of this hole. It’s going to take time but I’m confident that we have people in charge that can turn it around but it’s going to take some time.

 

[Spud11]

Trying to win > making it not important

What? A win is not meaninglessness? Its a game ffs, if its not important to win then there what is the point of playing a sport? LOL

For a team that's had 12 wins in 5 years, a winning culture whether that will be a couple of games is WAY more important than not. In hindsight, if we didn't win that GC game last year, Sheezal and Larkey probably wouldn't have signed etc the flow on effect: confidence, emotional lift, winning culture, what competitiveness it takes to be involved in a win etc

You would rather fix the cracks in order to...... WIN no? We both are saying the same things in different ways

Some have been so lulled by our ongoing low expectations that they’ve come to see a win now as a “meaningless sugar hit”.

Pretty sure most of them would’ve been happy with the GC win at the end of last year and would’ve seen it as a positive that we could build on. That seemed unanimous. Even though we lost the opportunity to draft a generational talent directly because of beating the Suns that day, most people still seemed to say “winning culture>>>everything else”.



So yes.

 

[blackshadow]

Some have been so lulled by our ongoing low expectations that they’ve come to see a win now as a “meaningless sugar hit”.

Pretty sure most of them would’ve been happy with the GC win at the end of last year and would’ve seen it as a positive that we could build on. That seemed unanimous. Even though we lost the opportunity to draft a generational talent directly because of beating the Suns that day, most people still seemed to say “winning culture>>>everything else”.



So yes.

I’m sure that Clarko could focus on wins this season but that would come at the expense of long term development.

He could have kept Goldie so X wouldn’t get games.

He could have matched the ridiculous money * offered for buckets.

But we’re in the middle of a period focusing on the future and that’s more important than a few wins that ultimately don’t mean much. Give me the a sustainable future over some meaningless wins any day. I hate losing but I want long term success more.

Look at players like McKercher, Wardlaw and Sheezel and what they say in public - they’re genuinely enthusiastic for the future, they’ve bought into the vision and they have far more insight into what’s going on at the club than a bunch of bed wetters who’ve got no stomach for doing what’s necessary.

 

[Muscles Thommo]

Would you rather our team being built for future success or a couple of meaningless wins or performances that paper over the cracks?

I’d rather fix the ******* cracks than have something that looks good for a while bu

I’m sure that Clarko could focus on wins this season but that would come at the expense of long term development.

He could have kept Goldie so X wouldn’t get games.

He could have matched the ridiculous money * offered for buckets.

But we’re in the middle of a period focusing on the future and that’s more important than a few wins that ultimately don’t mean much. Give me the a sustainable future over some meaningless wins any day. I hate losing but I want long term success more.

Look at players like McKercher, Wardlaw and Sheezel and what they say in public - they’re genuinely enthusiastic for the future, they’ve bought into the vision and they have far more insight into what’s going on at the club than a bunch of bed wetters who’ve got no stomach for doing what’s necessary.

So are you saying that we can't have wins and get some long term development going?
I don't think that the two are mutually exclusive.
Yes we have a young team, yes they have to learn the plan but surely things like effort and tackling are a non-negotiable. Also dropping under-performing players should be the go, but the Match Committee seem very reluctant to do that.

 

[blackshadow]

So are you saying that we can't have wins and get some long term development going?

No that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying it’s looking like we’re prioritising development over wins not that we can’t have wins.

I trust Clarkson and Viney know what needs to be done so that we’re winning regularly.

 

[GDUB07]

So are you saying that we can't have wins and get some long term development going?
I don't think that the two are mutually exclusive.
Yes we have a young team, yes they have to learn the plan but surely things like effort and tackling are a non-negotiable. Also dropping under-performing players should be the go, but the Match Committee seem very reluctant to do that.

I understand the comment about dropping underperforming players, but who with who exactly? There’s a number in the VFL coming back from long term injury and have been underdone fitness and match sim wise. Some are still too raw in development. And the performances in the VFL have hardly been knocking down the door. So who with who?