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The years of a full rebuild are over IMO, looking at our team circa 14/15 we had a similar amount of core players in that 23-28 range compared to now.

Grigg, Houli, Riewoldt, Edwards, Rance, Cotchin, Astbury, Martin, Grimes, Lambert
v
Short, Baker, Hopper, Taranto, Bolton, Rioli, Graham, Balta, Young (Nank - 29). With some other role players/guys yet to prove themselves in Miller, Cumberland, Ryan, Koschitzke and so on.

Compare that core to when Dimma took over. Players in the 23-28 range were:
Newman, Deledio, Tuck, Moore, Graham, Polak, Polo, McGuane, Adam Thomson, Tambling, Morton, Matt White, Jake King, Thursfield, Relton Roberts, Jackson, McMahon, Foley.

Lids and Newman guns. Tuck, Moore, Foley, Jackson solid. The rest were pretty much duds, with some being awful. It's no surprise we required a full clean out.

We ended up winning a flag in a couple of years and immediately after an awful year in 2016. Grigg and Rance were only apart of 1 flag. With free agency, future pick trading, mid-season drafting and potentially even mid season trading, you can accelerate your rise up the ladder a lot faster than when we started a rebuild back in 2010. If players want to leave then just cross that bridge when we come to it and get the best deal we can (eg Deledio, Vickery, C.Ellis, Miles - remember these guys were touted as being part of our next flag).

Additionally, we've seen what a change of environment and coach can do to teams. No better example than us from 2016 to 2017. Collingwood with McRae. Lyon with the Saints. Essentially the same playing list but vastly different looking teams to their predecessors. Yze has a good opportunity to have a similar impact. Get the most out of our core and keeping bringing some youngsters through and suddenly in a year or two we'll have a solid team. Then you can add via free agency, perhaps some aggressive trading depending on where we are at.
 
Free agency is based mostly on age and total contract value. We need to stop dreaming we’d get anything but one of the last 2 x compensation bands for Martin. Nobody is offering more than 2-years, and nobody is offering more than $1.5m total contract. He’s turning 34yo in 2025.

Graham would be offered probably a 4-year deal at $2m total. This will be second last band. I wound the trying hard to convince him to stay, but either way not a big deal.

Based on the paltry return we’d be better off keeping Martin.

I’m going way against the flow of public opinion here, but no reason we can’t bounce back up the ladder pretty quickly.

We just need something resembling a decent run with injury. And half a dozen current youngsters to emerge for remainder of 2024. But if we want a ‘bounce’ we need to get games into the kids ASAP!

The doom and gloom is a media narrative and not what they’d be thinking in house - we would’ve beaten Carlton if not for 2 on the bench from halftime including our 2 x key backs which forced Balta back.

Then we were very competitive against Port on the back of 6 x injury forced changes… and an umpire rogering.

We’ve played 32 players in 3 games. That’s a seasons worth for many clubs.

Move on the older guys who are no longer helping us. Move on any trade value who is no longer helping us (eg Graham). Keep everyone else who helps us win no matter the age.



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I know it’s only one game, and there will be ups and downs this season, but given the injuries we’ve copped we are going ok.

Don’t get sucked in by media narratives smashing our ‘youth’ … our list is in OK shape.


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Jeez a win throws a different light on things.

It’s not just the win this week. We played good footy for just over a half v GC. We likely would’ve beaten Blues but for 3 x in-game injuries. Then we were competitive against Port after 6 x injury forced changes through the week - game would’ve been a lot closer but for umpire rogering.

People fall in way too easily to the media narrative that the Tigers are screwed and the list is a shambles. The win today will build
confidence, and it has shown a fair bit more talent that we’ve been given credit for.

Doesn’t necessarily mean this won’t be a tough year, but I’m confident we are on the right track.


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Young kids that played today
Campbell
Banks
Sonsie
Brown
Mrj
Dow

I have not checked but i would guess we would have atleast 12/13 players with less than 50 games

Dow (20 odd games)
Mansell (30 odd games)
Miller (just under 30 games)
MRJ (30 odd games)
Campbell (4 games)
Brown (3 games)
Sonsie (just over 10 games)
Young (20 odd games)
Banks (around 10 games)
Lefau (2 games)
 
We will be forced to lick shit now this year with lynch and balta done just as we hit form. It will be good to blood the underbelly. I liked what I saw against Sydney. Still need 4-5 A graders around the young crop.
 
Interesting to hear Bolton on the rebuilds at Carlton and Hawthorn, specifically in relation to cutting too deep

 
At this stage of the year looks like:
Grimes, Prestia and Dusty to retire
Baker will go home ; Graham to leave as F/a
Delist McIntosh, Pickett, Collina and Cumberland.
1 year deals to Coulthard, Green, Smith, Mansell, Dow, Naismith and Ralphsmith.
2 year deals to Nankervis, Campbell, Ryan, Lefau, Tresize, Ross, Rioli jnr and Miller.
Hit the draft hard 2024, 2025 & 2026 before Tassie come in.
We’ll have a lot of cash up our sleeve also in future years when Lynch retires after 2025.
 

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I don't want to see us ever trade our future 1st again. Too much risk.
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If a team wants to trade us a top 5 pick and we rate the draft why not
In what scenario would a team with a top 5 pick this year be willing to trade it for a R1 pick in 2025?
 
In what scenario would a team with a top 5 pick this year be willing to trade it for a R1 pick in 2025?
In a scenario before the season starts we allow ourselves to believe we will be a top 4 team once again and won't need that pick lol
 
Keep our picks and upgrade them if we can.

Retire a couple of our older blokes like Grimes & Prestia

The only delisting I'd make, and this might seem harsh to those fan boys out there and that's Cumberland, if he can't make our senior side while we are struggling with injuries then he isn't going to make it. (Try and trade him 1st but id be surprised if anyone will be interested in trading for him).

Try and retain Baker but if he chooses to leave, we need something decent in return. Don't let him go because we are good blokes to deal with.

I'd also look at trying to trade Graham back to SA even if it's for 3rd rounder. (we need to make room in our midfield for a few younger players)

Martin, I'd offer him a 1-year deal on normal salary. He is still capable but isn't that star match winner anymore. If he wants to retire or move on, then he goes out a champion of the club.

If we end up with having a couple of 1st rounders in this year's draft, we need to pick the best possible player we can with our 1st and then with our 2nd first rounder a KPP if any decent ones still remain. (If we somehow manage to score a 3rd first rounder that will be a bonus).

If we have any picks remaining come draft time that we might not use then we should try and trade them into next year, even if it's a 3rd rounder for next year's 3rd rounder.

So,

Out: Grimes, Prestia, Cumberland, Graham (Possibly Bakes if he wants to head home)

In: 4 to 5 roster spots open up for new draftees

Note: Colina will also be let go but he isn't really on our list anyway.
 
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