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Good on you Thrawn, chin up. 
your conscience will be clear when the blues are back up the upper half.
your conscience will be clear when the blues are back up the upper half.
Carlton’s soul exorcised, I am disappointed
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1) I'm not.
2) There's enough ammunition out there already that we're swimming in it, even if I was one thread is inconsequential.
3) To show there are at least a few supporters who do not agree with this tanking nonsense. Someone has to fly the flag for the anti-tanking side.
4) It's better than an opposition thread trolling us re: "tanking".
And as such, I will continue to write what's on my mind, on this club and otherwise, as I have been doing for the past 6 years. Regardless of your thoughts on the matter.
Just because aplayer is taken in the top ten does not gurantee success. Have Saint Kilda won a flag with their top ten picks?
Port Adelaide are masters at turning high draft pick players in to great Players. Hoff and Pearce anyone.
At Crowland Johncock, Rutten, Douglas, Van Berlo, Mattner, BOck, Knights were not top draft picks. They may not be superstars, but our good coaches and winning culture have turned them into first 22 players, in a club that expects to make the 8 every year.
The best young player this year, may not be the best player in four years time. Once picked it is up to the club to develop the players.
Port Adelaide are masters at turning high draft pick players in to great Players. Hoff and Pearce anyone.
At Crowland Johncock, Rutten, Douglas, Van Berlo, Mattner, BOck, Knights were not top draft picks. They may not be superstars, but our good coaches and winning culture have turned them into first 22 players, in a club that expects to make the 8 every year.
The best young player this year, may not be the best player in four years time. Once picked it is up to the club to develop the players.
Re: Carlton�s soul exorcised, I am disappointed
A rational supporter wants the picks.
A passionate supporter wants the win.
Nothing wrong with either view IMO. How you choose to support your club is up to you.
A rational supporter wants the picks.
A passionate supporter wants the win.
Nothing wrong with either view IMO. How you choose to support your club is up to you.
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Top picks really help. Stkilda have not won a premiership but they have made a preliminary final. Riewoldt and kosi are key players in that team. Lots of good players come from low picks but Gee early picks help.
This is why the rule has to be changed, No priority picks... i want to win games
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How is Thrawn doing it?
The one's coming in and shooting him sown are doing that
This thread has proved that the majority of BF Carlton supporters are shameless tossers with the intelligence of a sheep
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Re: Carlton�s soul exorcised, I am disappointed
Clapping opposition teams goals and singing there song hardly seems rational to me
Clapping opposition teams goals and singing there song hardly seems rational to me
There is no way you can sugar coat loss of pride.
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Well said Thrawn .
the purpose of sport is to play to win it flies against the spirit of any sport to lose games intentionally.
the purpose of sport is to play to win it flies against the spirit of any sport to lose games intentionally.
Re: Carlton�s soul exorcised, I am disappointed
Anyone with a hint of intelligence would've realised that any tanking that may have occured would have been at the selection table and not by the youngest Carlton team in living memory that took the field today. Yet we're somehow different to other clubs that have used the same measures in previous years.
The irony of this thread is that the same people supposedly applauding Thrawn would have been the the first to ridicule us had we missed the PP by one game. Fact is that it's people like you that want us to hurt and cant handle the fact that securing pick one and not having to finish last means that all your jibes don't have the same effect on us.
...but don't worry fireman, next week all this tanking talk will dissapear and we'll once again become the worst team since blah, blah, blah.
No coach that want's any shred of respectiblity would tell his players to throw a game but apparently you have news for us.It appears he didn't, do you know any different?
Anyone with a hint of intelligence would've realised that any tanking that may have occured would have been at the selection table and not by the youngest Carlton team in living memory that took the field today. Yet we're somehow different to other clubs that have used the same measures in previous years.
The irony of this thread is that the same people supposedly applauding Thrawn would have been the the first to ridicule us had we missed the PP by one game. Fact is that it's people like you that want us to hurt and cant handle the fact that securing pick one and not having to finish last means that all your jibes don't have the same effect on us.
...but don't worry fireman, next week all this tanking talk will dissapear and we'll once again become the worst team since blah, blah, blah.
Great reply.
It always makes me laugh how these people think an extra couple of wins will create this amazing culture that will lead to making the 8 next year, then the top 4 the next, then the premiership in year 3.
It amazes me more how people like you think that an extra PP or high draft pick is going to achieve the same result.
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It always makes me laugh how these people think an extra pick will create this amazing momentum that will lead to making the 8 next year, then the top 4 the next, then the premiership in year 3.
Of course, we both know you didn't state this. And neither did I regarding your comment. Smash`N`Grab did retract his comment somewhat BTW... but I have a feeling you just glossed over and didn't bother to read my post, and automatically assumed I was "one of those people".
Re: Carlton�s soul exorcised, I am disappointed
What Irony? Is it impossible for you to grasp the notion that some supporters don't want to see their side lose regardless? I have already stated in an earlier post on another thread that my opinion of your club would change if they beat Melb.
I hear what you're saying Thrawn, but with a couple of wins early next year you'll forget all about today's loss. FWIW I don't think there was a lack of pride. Considering the players we had out, and the debutants we had in (which is 100% the right way to finish off a poor season), we fought pretty well. We went from being smashed every week with a mostly full list under Pagan to losing admirably with raw youngsters and a new coach. - That's an improvement. Remember, the losing streak happened before the tanking began. We had bigger problems than attitude and it was filtering down from the coach.
IMO, the biggest problem is gone. And if it helps, Ratten is a very proud, driven person who lusts for success.
The problem wasn't the last quarter of the season. It was the first three quarters!
IMO, the biggest problem is gone. And if it helps, Ratten is a very proud, driven person who lusts for success.
The problem wasn't the last quarter of the season. It was the first three quarters!
Mate look at the team you support, you're an absolute hypocrite.
Every single Carlton supporter hates where we are as a club, we've been shit for 6 years and it needs to change. Why have we been shit??? Because we lack talented players.
Up until the last 2-3 games of the season Carlton had been going hard at it to win every game they played. When it came down to the priority pick scenario we had to do what was best for the clubs long term future. For the last 3 games we've played kids, given them a taste of senior AFL football and some game time with which they will benefit from in the off-season. In doing that maybe we haven't put our best possible side on the park but to suggest these players lose on purpose is idiocy. We are looking towards the future and it is nothing different to what other clubs have done in the past when their season was over.
StKilda in case: Where would you be without Riewoldt, Kosi, Ball and Goddard?
In 2001 had you won an extra game or two you would have cost yourselves a priority pick. You drafted Luke Ball and Xavier Clarke with pick 2 and 5. Without that priority pick you'd have had pick 5 only. In doing that you would have cost yourselves Luke Ball, an all australian player. Of course that player at pick 5 could have been a champion, afterall it is essentially a lottery. But what having two picks did is give you two chances at the top of the talent pool. You maxamised your chances of having quality player on your list and it is smart thinking.
Carlton have a lot of so-so players without a future at the club. When saying this I'm speaking of players like David Teague and Jason Saddington. These guys will put in a better effort in the last three games of the season however they are not a part of our future. Michael Jamison will benefit from the games he has been getting.
Going into this years draft we will have two chances at getting a good player on our list. We never threw any games like people are suggesting because the players out ther still tried to win, we simply turned our focus towards 2008 as the Kangaroos did last season and Collingwood the season before that.
I don't expect Carlton to improve to much next year as we will have a very inexperienced side however in 4-5 years once these young guys we have drafted start to show benefits from their development we will have the makings of a very good side. Blind Freddy can see this.
It's a pity that the saints didn't make the most of their chances when they had them.
Re: Carlton�s soul exorcised, I am disappointed
Just have a peek around this forum and you'll soon realise how many non-Carlton fans wanted us to win today (as opposed to the previous 21 rounds), all under the guise of r-e-s-p-e-c-t (lol).
Just have a peek around this forum and you'll soon realise how many non-Carlton fans wanted us to win today (as opposed to the previous 21 rounds), all under the guise of r-e-s-p-e-c-t (lol).
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Yes, but there's more:
Pagan's reluctance to give the kids enough game time, his gameplan, poor recruiting during the late 90's/early 00s, poor development, lack of leadership, lack of senior support, lack of confidence... shall I go on?
It ain't only talent we're missing here. Hopefully coming into 2008, we will have fixed most of these problems.
You,Baro,Blues Man etc are a fcuking disgrace!!!Did not even bother to read one line of the original contrived attempt for attention, or the ridiculous responses from dullard opposition supporters.
All I can say is we are now in a wonderful position to build for the future; Walker, Kennedy, Murphy, Gibbs, Russell, Hartlett, Hampson, Grigg, Bower, Stevens, Fevola, Whitnall, Simpson, Carrazzo, Thornton, Scotland, O'hAilpin, Jamison, Betts, and Waite together with picks 1 and 3 in this upcoming draft alone provide a fantastic foundation. Add perhaps one or two players via trading or the PSD and we're set!
Once people remove their "anti-Carlton" bias or bleeding heart whinge valves they will quickly realise the irrationality behind a Carlton victory.
It's your attitude that Thrawn is addressing.
I worked today and have had a brick in my stomach all day.Ive had this empty,alien feeling about what was happening at the G.
Don't you idiots understand...what has happened has "stained" our once mighty club.Our soul is in tatters,one hundred years of glory is up in smoke!
I was watching the last quarter like a zombie just staring at the screen,when I had this feeling and screamed at the TV....come on fcuk this for a joke kick 7 goals straight and let's fcuk these cntu's off WIN,WIN,WIN......all the while you bastards where cheering for theDemons .....how appropriate!!
Why do people bag our off-seasons of the late 90s? At least we were in strinking distance of a flag back then. Surely the drafting of Mott, Bowyer, Deluca, ect... of the Pagan era was way worse.
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Yes we were.
But we had a lot of aging stars and didn't work hard enough to replace them by blooding enough youngsters. Our 2002 compounded this problem even further, massive injury list back then - SOS gone, Kouta out, Ratten and McKay on their last legs. Who replaced them?
Oh, and Mansfield *shudders*.
Obviously!
But talented players is STILL a problem and we have taken a step to it being rectified.
You seem to have missed the point, which doesn't surprise me, I , like Thrawn ,have never wanted to see my team lose regardless of PPs, so the hypocrite barb was juts plain silly
Your cheersquad was cheering Melb goals.
What this has to do with anything has me beat.It's a pity that the saints didn't make the most of their chances when they had them.
Poor post mate.
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