Carlton in the Media (articles, podcasts etc)

[SimondeLittle]

Valid points re pokies but it also says a little about the growing attitude of modern society where no one takes responsibility for themselves. It's not cigarettes fault you smoke, it's not the pokies or the TABs fault you gamble and it's not Alcohols fault you drink but this is not how people are these days, it's always someone/something else's fault. Problem gambling is a serious issue. I've had mates who have had problems with gambling and I can tell you it wasn't the casino's existence, the TABs existence or the pokies existence that was the problem and I can also tell you that reducing the number of gambling outlets around them would not have helped, stopped or limited their gambling as problem gambles will always find a place to gamble when they feel the urge. From what I see, more venues/outlets means non-problem/part time gamblers are going to gamble a bit more but the problem gamblers are always going to gamble unless they seek help or are strong enough to resist the lure of gambling. Part of the problem with addiction bug is that people who suffer from addiction will go out of their way to satisfy a craving.

There are some facts that people are neglecting to see when it comes to pokies and Carlton's involvement in them. Many venues would not exist or would not have the facilities they have if it was not for pokies, particularly things like bowls clubs which are very important for many local communities. They aren't all completely evil and do support some valuable community centers like this. The pokies Carlton have would exist regardless of Carlton's stance, their reason for existing is not the Carlton Football Club. We could dump our ownership of these pokies, they would still exist, just we would not get the money. The costs of running a football club at all levels is rising every year and currently being financially strong is having a big impact to the success of AFL teams, we are under enormous pressure to keep upping our income. Maybe we wouldn't have Mick Malthouse if we didn't have the pokies, who knows.

People see that we are getting money from pokies, they just don't get that the pokies would be there regardless of what we do and nothing that what we do is going to impact the gambling of the local community.

Better the money going to a football club than to a wealthy benefactor who really doesn't need it.

Thanks for the reply..

I do take your point that addicts will find ways to gamble no matter what impediments are put in their way. I would argue that Pokies are in a different category to other forms of gambling and should be treated as such. Having interviewed addicts and done a lot of research about how EGMS work, I can not understand how they allowed so freely into poor areas in such huge concentration. They really have no place in communities and should be restricted to casinos in my opinion.

These places have survived in the past without the need for these massive profits from people who can least afford it. there are three AFL clubs who still do manage without pokie revenue. Before pubs were given licenses to stack themselves with EGMs there were all sorts of other entertainment that went on, from live music to hobbies, indoor sports, social groups.. Pokies have taken over so many wonderful places and the communities are much the poorer for it, in more ways than one.

I really don't buy the argument that the community centres couldn't operate without pokie income. It's a false economy because the community pays a massive toll from the effects of problem gambling. Whether through Govt funding welfare, the legal system or other less quantifiable costs such as pain and suffer inflicted on associates of Pokie addicts.

It is a tough issue now that the systems are so entrenched. But I'm at a point where I reckon individuals taking a stand is the only way things are going to change. Govt couldn't give a toss and businesses are only looking after themselves. that's what they do.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Carlton were one of the lesser clubs in terms of pokies revenue for a long time. The issue has come to a head in recent years when Carlton, badly in need of revenue, upped their quote as a result of a gift from Bruce Mathieson. Suddenly clubs that were earning far more from the venture than we were, became moral judges. I'd like to see us concentrate on other streams but I also don't want us to be in a perilous financial state. We still carry a lot of debt and our pokies revenue has only just begun really. Makes it hard to choose between being a moral citizen and a football supporter sometimes.

It has to be an even playing field though. No point damning Carlton without damning everybody else who has questionable revenue streams. Regrettably football is no longer an innocent pastime and Carlton has had to evolve with the times and treat is as a business.

btw Simon, even a former Blues supporter should be proof-reading and correcting 'Kerneham' and 'Kouda'.

Aside from that, good luck to you and your new team, and with any luck you may return one day when the club is 'taint' free.

 

[SimondeLittle]

Carlton were one of the lesser clubs in terms of pokies revenue for a long time. The issue has come to a head in recent years when Carlton, badly in need of revenue, upped their quote as a result of a gift from Bruce Mathieson. Suddenly clubs that were earning far more from the venture than we were, became moral judges. I'd like to see us concentrate on other streams but I also don't want us to be in a perilous financial state. We still carry a lot of debt and our pokies revenue has only just begun really. Makes it hard to choose between being a moral citizen and a football supporter sometimes.

It has to be an even playing field though. No point damning Carlton without damning everybody else who has questionable revenue streams. Regrettably football is no longer an innocent pastime and Carlton has had to evolve with the times and treat is as a business.

btw Simon, even a former Blues supporter should be proof-reading and correcting 'Kerneham' and 'Kouda'.

Aside from that, good luck to you and your new team, and with any luck you may return one day when the club is 'taint' free.

Ya, am not too flash at proof reading (or spelling) and had my American wife do that. She has no idea what I'm talking about so those mistakes slipped through.. As a fan I shoulda got them right though, true.. Has been a while.

Regarding your other points, I agree that other clubs should be condemned also. I shall not support any of them whilst they profit from Pokies. It would be great if there was a blanket ban so as to produce an even playing field (npi) but I am not going to hold my breath.

The article in The Age was a real eye-opener, thus my fairly 'extreme' reaction. Seeing the Blues so far ahead on that particular ladder was not a happy experience. I looked back into some older articles and found there was a huge increase several years ago that gained a fair bit of media attention. But I still can't reconcile an excuse based on 'well, they did it first' even if there were extreme financial pressures.

I won't knock anyone for supporting the Blues, tis a personal decision. I've just changed my mind.

Cheers

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I won't knock anyone for supporting the Blues, tis a personal decision. I've just changed my mind.

Cheers

Yeah. While we would all like our football clubs to be shining beacons of morality, you and I are at polar opposites of perspective here. It's a supporter forum, so while you will probably get some agreement, any mission to get others to join you in denouncing their support is counter productive to the aims of the forum. It's a vicious circle.

 

[blueboy82]

Just read this on HS Savage has nominated Carlton as his preferred club here is the link http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...eferred-new-home/story-fn69a32t-1226735533838

 

[BlueBelle]

Here is an article I wrote yesterday about Carlton FC

http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php?/weblog/article/why-i-no-longer-support-the-blues/

So now you barrack for Freo instead?

Probably a good thing given you can't even spell two of our greatest players names.

Wow

 

[SimondeLittle]

Yeah. While we would all like our football clubs to be shining beacons of morality, you and I are at polar opposites of perspective here. It's a supporter forum, so while you will probably get some agreement, any mission to get others to join you in denouncing their support is counter productive to the aims of the forum. It's a vicious circle.

Yeah, you are right and I don't expect to change anyones else's mind. That's not why I came on here. Tis just that it was a big decision so I figured I may as well go out noisily!

 

[SimondeLittle]

So now you barrack for Freo instead?

Probably a good thing given you can't even spell two of our greatest players names.

Wow

Yeah, that has been pointed out.. To be honest I haven't read or heard their names for a while and it just slipped through..I wrote the article late at night and checking those things was not top of my list of priorities. Of course when I realised it was too late and I felt a bit silly. Not a good look but tis secondary to the point I was trying to make.

 

[SimondeLittle]

So now you barrack for Freo instead?

Probably a good thing given you can't even spell two of our greatest players names.

Wow

.. and Freo is just an interim club as I had to pick someone to sign up.. As far as I know only Dockers and Eagles don't rely on profits from Pokies. Whether they would if it was legal in WA, we will never know.. I hope! Am still waiting for feedback on the Sydney clubs but pretty sure they have them too. Freo seemed the lesser of two evils!

 

[mediumsizered]

.. and Freo is just an interim club as I had to pick someone to sign up.. As far as I know only Dockers and Eagles don't rely on profits from Pokies. Whether they would if it was legal in WA, we will never know.. I hope! Am still waiting for feedback on the Sydney clubs but pretty sure they have them too. Freo seemed the lesser of two evils!

In choosing the Dockers, did you happen to notice one of their sponsors is Crown Perth? As far as I can remember Crown make their money from gambling as well. It should also be noted they are sponsored by CUB & we all know how many lives are impacted by alcohol abuse.

I would suggest in the 21st Century sporting world you will be doing very well to find any major sporting club which doesn't draw some revenue from organisations involved in gambling, alcohol or similar. Perhaps the sporting world isn't for you?

 

[SimondeLittle]

In choosing the Dockers, did you happen to notice one of their sponsors is Crown Perth? As far as I can remember Crown make their money from gambling as well. It should also be noted they are sponsored by CUB & we all know how many lives are impacted by alcohol abuse.

I would suggest in the 21st Century sporting world you will be doing very well to find any major sporting club which doesn't draw some revenue from organisations involved in gambling, alcohol or similar. Perhaps the sporting world isn't for you?

No, actually I didn't look into it that much.. Have until next season to make up my mind. Thanks for pointing it out though.

I am not anti-gambling or alcohol at all. I am against Pokies in pubs and clubs. The damage they do is indefensible in my opinion. If you read my posts on this issue you will see that I am address a very specific problem.

 

[Bradschi]

No, actually I didn't look into it that much.. Have until next season to make up my mind. Thanks for pointing it out though.

I am not anti-gambling or alcohol at all. I am against Pokies in pubs and clubs. The damage they do is indefensible in my opinion. If you read my posts on this issue you will see that I am address a very specific problem.

In regards with the pokies, I thought north melbourne is the only AFL that does not profit from it?
There was an article about it a year or two ago about it.

 

[SimondeLittle]

No, actually I didn't look into it that much.. Have until next season to make up my mind. Thanks for pointing it out though.

I am not anti-gambling or alcohol at all. I am against Pokies in pubs and clubs. The damage they do is indefensible in my opinion. If you read my posts on this issue you will see that I am address a very specific problem.

.... the grammatical errors in that reply ought be enough proof, I am certainly not anti-alcohol.

 

[SimondeLittle]

In regards with the pokies, I thought north melbourne is the only AFL that does not profit from it?
There was an article about it a year or two ago about it.

This is true.. And the WA clubs as Pokies are banned outside Casinos over there.. The Roos had 50 but for some reason couldn't turn a profit (sounds a bit suss) so traded them in for sponsorship from an anti-pokie organisation (Lifeline?) . They are aligned with TT Line though which do make profits from Pokies.

Like EGM players, guess you can't win!

 

[Aphrodite]

This is not a pokies thread.

You have made your point SimondeLittle

Can we move on please!

 

[SimondeLittle]

This is not a pokies thread.

You have made your point SimondeLittle

Can we move on please!

Sure, no worries. I was just responding to questions. The initial post was in relation to an article in the Age on Monday.

 

[BlueBelle]

So apparently Dale Thomas is a Blue Boy! Whoop whoop!

 

[BlueTongue]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-12/trade-winds-saturday

Blues zero in on young Lion
News Limited is also reporting that the Blues have won the race for Brisbane Lions young gun Sam Docherty, with a trade a possibility to be completed as early as Monday.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-12/trade-winds-saturday

 

[thylacine60]

In choosing the Dockers, did you happen to notice one of their sponsors is Crown Perth? As far as I can remember Crown make their money from gambling as well. It should also be noted they are sponsored by CUB & we all know how many lives are impacted by alcohol abuse.

I would suggest in the 21st Century sporting world you will be doing very well to find any major sporting club which doesn't draw some revenue from organisations involved in gambling, alcohol or similar. Perhaps the sporting world isn't for you?

What a snide, churlish effort. Ever made a stance in your life, msr? So the poster has a few wrinkles in his/her protest. Fabulous effort regardless as sad as it is.

 

[mediumsizered]

What a snide, churlish effort. Ever made a stance in your life, msr? So the poster has a few wrinkles in his/her protest. Fabulous effort regardless as sad as it is.

He's entitled to his opinion, but to choose to support another club sponsored by a gambling organisation because our club receives revenue from poker machines demonstrates the person in question has tried to make a moral stand, yet shot himself in the foot in the process. In other words, he hasn't made a stance against gambling at all, yet has chosen to bad mouth our club in the media for being one of a large number of clubs who derive revenue from gambling.

Ultimately the point I was making is that if you want to make a moral stand in relation to gambling, human rights, alcoholism etc, the sporting world is not the place to be. Let the sporting club which is without sin cast the first stone.

 

[Bradschi]

People please.
Weekends during trade period is just plain boring, the news get slower and slower.
No need to fight among ourselves children

 

[thylacine60]

bite me

 

[etsal1]

People please.
Weekends during trade period is just plain boring, the news get slower and slower.
No need to fight among ourselves children

This place will be a lot happier when Docherty is officially a blue tomorrow

 

[Bradschi]

bite me

nah, don't want you to extinct

 

[ESKIE]

The earth is slow but the ox is snappy