Discuss thoughts on a new NRL team from the Central Coast
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gostk86
Club Legend
Their most obvious team to bring in...
But NRL cant afford a new team yet....however IMO the only way tv, radio, media rights will go up is with more teams...so we need to say CC and another qld team will be in for 2013.
4 years of development and building the clubs up.
But NRL cant afford a new team yet....however IMO the only way tv, radio, media rights will go up is with more teams...so we need to say CC and another qld team will be in for 2013.
4 years of development and building the clubs up.
akazie
Team Captain
yeah, we couldn't possibly put a team in another state outside of QLD and NSW, people like you would have a pink fit
Why not just come out and say it instead of beating around the bush, you don't want to see the NRL expand outside its heartlands do you.
Bomber Bears
Cancelled
Central Coast Bears please, back in red and black
a game at NSO each year would be nice also
One can hope
a game at NSO each year would be nice also
One can hope
akazie
Team Captain
What's wrong with having both?
A CC team and expansion teams outside the heartlands.
A CC team and expansion teams outside the heartlands.
gostk86
Club Legend
if central coast fans will support 'the bears' then its fine...but we are still scared from northern eagles fiasco
Why don't the NRL bite the bullet and establish a team in Perth or even another one in NZ....Perhaps AuckMel can help here?
In regards to Perth, Gallop claims that before the NRL is able to expand (in the short term), it needs to concentrate on protecting it's 'heartland'.
Whilst I don't believe in this approach, in a way, I can understand where he's coming from.
As for New Zealand, the Warriors are currently unfortunately only averaging a touch over 11k to their home matches (the second lowest in the competition).
Whilst again, it can be argued that another local team could garner support and a 'healthy rivalry', at the same time, i'd imagine that the NRL wants to have the Warriors averaging a consistent 15k or so before they think of establishing another NZ team.
IMO, the NRL should expand in this manner,
2012 - West Queensland and Central Coast
2015 - Perth
I know it's a long wait for all you ex-Reds fans, but at the risk of sounding idealistic and cliched, it'll be worth it ...
gostk86
Club Legend
We need to move on from another NZ team....Wellington is not and never will support to League team
Rah Rah and now soccer has taken over..we need to move on..Let NZRL figure that out not the NRL
Phil West bris isntt he option at this stage..Sunshine Coast is the best place to NRL to expand too... They have a fast growing population and support the game..Sea Eagles have a connection up there, but we cant lose them. Its probably the Sharks who are in prime position to go there.
Central Coast is a huge must, Aleague has done well, much better than I though its shown the fans want their own team and not a relocated team like disaster of Northern Eagles.
League fans in perth need to support JB cup Reds team, but they are a long way away, Unless local business and government support it like Tas are going for AFL side.
the nrl won't put a new team on the cc, not under a gallop/news ltd headship anyway, they won't accept anything other than a sydney team relocating there.
another team playing outta suncorp is what they want - so whether that's north, west, east, south brisbane or redcliffe - it doesn't really matter.
maybe they'll take the esl approach and put in one heartland team and one expansion at the same time; if that's the case you'd think WA has a strong chance.
personally, i don't want any more teams, the talent is getting diluted enough as it is with 16 teams and the esl and rah rah poaching players.
another team playing outta suncorp is what they want - so whether that's north, west, east, south brisbane or redcliffe - it doesn't really matter.
maybe they'll take the esl approach and put in one heartland team and one expansion at the same time; if that's the case you'd think WA has a strong chance.
personally, i don't want any more teams, the talent is getting diluted enough as it is with 16 teams and the esl and rah rah poaching players.
gostk86
Club Legend
balls of stell sig magpie?
the game could support 2 more teams...we have players coming back more and the quota system will be in force by 2011 so players heading over wont be happening as often
rah rah isnt a threat they are just a pathetic organisation that is slowly imploding
Perth and CC for 2012......2016 Sunshine Coast 2020 Adelaide..its a long process but will be worth it
the game could support 2 more teams...we have players coming back more and the quota system will be in force by 2011 so players heading over wont be happening as often
rah rah isnt a threat they are just a pathetic organisation that is slowly imploding
Perth and CC for 2012......2016 Sunshine Coast 2020 Adelaide..its a long process but will be worth it
Bomber Bears
Cancelled
Of course they will, hell they were about to before we got shafter in 99 by the short sighted and moronic NRL. The Eagles was completely different, it was ahalf half split which was heavily favoured towards the despised sea eagles.
Red_and_white
Senior List
With 2 more teams, that would be another 8 million dollars to keep players playing in Australia, not to mention the opportunity for salary cap increases with more broadcasting revenue, sponsorship etc from having an extra game per round.
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Sunshine Coast wont work.
We need a second team playing in Brisbane, at Suncorp.
Its bloody stupid that Brisbane has only 1 team compared to Sydneys nine and we are apparantly the dominant city of league now, pisses me off.
You know how there is a large demographic of Western Sydney, well theres sorta like that out here, except with the North of Brisbane, which includes Redcliffe and leads to Sunnycoast.
Add in the North Brisbane Bears, would be a great team, heck I'd make the switch and support them. Bears fans could be happy?
We need a second team playing in Brisbane, at Suncorp.
Its bloody stupid that Brisbane has only 1 team compared to Sydneys nine and we are apparantly the dominant city of league now, pisses me off.
You know how there is a large demographic of Western Sydney, well theres sorta like that out here, except with the North of Brisbane, which includes Redcliffe and leads to Sunnycoast.
Add in the North Brisbane Bears, would be a great team, heck I'd make the switch and support them. Bears fans could be happy?
This is a little off-topic, but I think the present teams should take at least one game each to Adelaide, Perth, Tasmania, etc....anyone else agree?
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where would west queensland play out of?
I dont think theyll go back to a 20 team comp. When people talk of extra teams they have to keep in mind that there is going to be a team cut or merge to accommodate this.
Unless rugby league stumbles across some cash cow they wouldn't dilute the revenue across another 1/4 of the teams.
I dont think theyll go back to a 20 team comp. When people talk of extra teams they have to keep in mind that there is going to be a team cut or merge to accommodate this.
Unless rugby league stumbles across some cash cow they wouldn't dilute the revenue across another 1/4 of the teams.
Bomber Bears
Cancelled
I posted this somewhere else
as i said in other threads, i dont think we can get the crowds of AFL in the near future, we can however certainly improve where we are at. I dont think it unrealistic to have, in say 5-10 years, suburban games almost guarenteed sellout (leichhardt, brookvale, kogarah, campbelltown, WIN, Shark Park and Penrif) as well as 20k+ at Parra, Canterbury, Souths and Roosters games, whils Brisbane could be up at 40 000, at least 35 000, Gold Coast, NQ and Newcaslte near sell out each week. Canberra has a large weather variable, as does Aukland, simply cos of the harsher climates, but could certainly average very good crowds, whilst Melbourne in their new ground should be geting at least 15000, hopefully 20K plus regularly.
If we do get these type of crowds, and i believe we can with good marketing and sensible, non-TV dictated scheduling, we would be in a much better position to expand the game again, with CC, Perth and 4th Qld priorities.
To sum up i believe we can expand again, however not till at least 2012, and not too we consolidate what we currently have.
as i said in other threads, i dont think we can get the crowds of AFL in the near future, we can however certainly improve where we are at. I dont think it unrealistic to have, in say 5-10 years, suburban games almost guarenteed sellout (leichhardt, brookvale, kogarah, campbelltown, WIN, Shark Park and Penrif) as well as 20k+ at Parra, Canterbury, Souths and Roosters games, whils Brisbane could be up at 40 000, at least 35 000, Gold Coast, NQ and Newcaslte near sell out each week. Canberra has a large weather variable, as does Aukland, simply cos of the harsher climates, but could certainly average very good crowds, whilst Melbourne in their new ground should be geting at least 15000, hopefully 20K plus regularly.
If we do get these type of crowds, and i believe we can with good marketing and sensible, non-TV dictated scheduling, we would be in a much better position to expand the game again, with CC, Perth and 4th Qld priorities.
To sum up i believe we can expand again, however not till at least 2012, and not too we consolidate what we currently have.
I think Gallop's phrase was something like "you go fishing where there are fish"... it's hardly a bold expansion strategy but does deliver successful franchises like the Titans. Based on form I suspect we'll see a fourth Queensland team playing out of Suncorp (ala the Crushers reborn) before anything else. I guess it would be nice to see an expansion team alongside it, though.
I don't think there's any "magic number" for crowds (only what the club themselves budget for) - rather, it comes down to the financial benefits for the NRL being in NZ.
Currently the NRL make $12m a year from the NZ TV rights - presumably if there was going to be a decent uplift on this through an extra license being awarded to Wellington (i.e. the Southern Orcas bid from a couple of years ago) then such a team would have an excellent chance of going ahead.
Having said that, more than anything the Warriors need to be successul on the field and prove to the doubters that there's enough talent in the Shaky Isles for a second team (which there probably already is). The Toyota Cup is a big part of this not only keeping the talent in NZ but also showcasing their talent to the rest of Oz (the Jnr Warriors finished 3rd) - which will presumably translate into first grade success at some stage.
From the interntional perspective -- In the same way as a second full-time French side is essential for the future of International RL so too is a second FT NZ one...
The fourth Queensland team will probably be "South Queensland" again (they're imaginative like that)... and we should only go into Gosford (and we should) if it's a relocation of a Sydney license - I don't like the idea of a new license going to NSW which won't add that much to the bottom line.
Perth deserve a license - they have been magnificent in the way in which they have resurrected the Reds this year, been competetive and achieved with a grassroots, part-time administration with hardly any help from from the East. It shows some strong grassroots for the game over there which the NRL would be mad to ignore for too much longer.
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The Reds have been a failure. They failed in the purpose that were set up for- to gauge the support for NRL in Perth. So poorly in fact that they returned to playing at suburban grounds mid season. Nobody in Perth appreciated the great facilities at MES- stands really close to the action and one(more than adequate as it seems) under cover stand .
The grassroots are going backwards if the WARL is the standard.
Two perenial winners, two perenial losers and three in the middle.
At least South Perth won this year instead of North Beach.
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- #21
We are sick to death of hearing the same crap from you cuz, STFU for once, you have no idea about anything to do with Rugby League period.
And how the hell can a jim beam cup team gauge the support for an NRL side muppet?
What we need is a second NZ side, and a side each in Perth, Adelaide, Brisbane and a relocated side to the Central Coast.
And how the hell can a jim beam cup team gauge the support for an NRL side muppet?
What we need is a second NZ side, and a side each in Perth, Adelaide, Brisbane and a relocated side to the Central Coast.
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And how the hell can a jim beam cup team gauge the support for an NRL side muppet?
It seems you know very little about WA RL. I suggest you go to the WARL site and read up. They still might have the original articles from Bill Nosworthy the WARL CEO. Why do you think they named the team Reds for? Why do you think the WARL went through this very expensive exercise if it wasn't for some gain?
No. The purpose they were set up for was to start the ground-work for a professional rugby league side in Perth by 2012. The work started in 2008.
Also - Your references to the "NRL" are out of place - the "NRL" has nothing to do with the Reds - they don't fund them, they don't support them, they didn't initiate their creation. The creation of the club was becase of grassroots action by RL fans in WA.
For a part-time administration (yes, the people who run the club have other jobs) they have done very well. They have built a competetive team, attracted a decent level of support (for a third-teir team, mind you - and larger than any other JBC side) and have begun to develop the expertise required to run a professional team.
The two mistakes they've made in their first year was in overestimating the crowds they would get and how easily they could engage the existing WARL community. They remedied both of these mistakes by moving to suburban ovals -- similar to those the NSW JBC clubs play at.
They've done well enough to pay 80% of the costs of the team through local sponsorship (with 20% coming from ARL Development) and have done well enough to be advertising for a full-time Marketing / Sponsorship Manager for next year.
How is this a failed venture? Sounds pretty successful for a club run by people who have never done it before.
The "grassroots" I'm talking about is not the state of Premier Grade WARL but the 30% rise in Juniors this year... the fact that the club was started by RL fans in WA not by authorities in Sydney... the fact that a third-teir team flying from coast to coast each week can pay its own way through local sponsorship... the fact that the number of people working on developing RL in WA continues to rise.
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Stop it, you're not allowed to talk facts.
