Speculation Chad Warner

[Danog]

Unfortunately its not up to me to make the calls on what trades we make

and yet

Eagles wont take 12+14 for 3 just to get Baker if thats what youre thinking

 

[Superstar swan]

firstly you are a swans supporter so you 100% 'have a dog in this fight'
Secondly where did I state WCE are closer to success ? I inferred WC have experienced success..No club or supporter base can guarantee future success, which freo supporters are suggesting is a factor in Warners decision

So how does wce winning flags in the early 90’s translate to success for Warner now . It makes 0 sense. Don’t think it really matters to players what clubs won flags in the 50’s

 

[Grumpyshades]

So how does wce winning flags in the early 90’s translate to success for Warner now . It makes 0 sense. Don’t think it really matters to players what clubs won flags in the 50’s

how does freo supporters guaranteeing success in the future work ?

 

[freo_leo29]

Wasting away? You think dominating nearly every opponent this year, in a team getting belted, is 'wasted'?

He'll make AA easily in the next couple of seasons if he continues doing what he's doing.

Highly underrated outside the club

Should be playing mid/fwd, racking up touches and kicking goals

Can get a lockdown small elsewhere


Not sure why he got pigeonholed there for ya

 

[Grumpyshades]

Should be playing mid/fwd, racking up touches and kicking goals

Can get a lockdown small elsewhere


Not sure why he got pigeonholed there for ya

we have a new coach..I'm not sure anyone will be pigeonholed

 

[stallon]

and yet

I overestimated Clarke clearly, very few other list managers wouldve paid that much for Baker.

Not sure what your point is, thats got nothing to do with how many elite players the Eagles have or will have

 

[eaglevision]

I overestimated Clarke clearly, very few other list managers wouldve paid that much for Baker.

Not sure what your point is, thats got nothing to do with how many elite players the Eagles have or will have

You and every other reasonable footy pundit. Anyone with half or even a quarter of a functional brain would have realised that was huge overs for Baker but you’re right has absolutely no relevance to our elite players or Chad Warner.

 

[THE_GUN]

I overestimated Clarke clearly, very few other list managers wouldve paid that much for Baker.

Not sure what your point is, thats got nothing to do with how many elite players the Eagles have or will have

You see thats where your argument falls down and you need to accept Baker is worth more to a football club than what supporters and bigfooty posters see.
Fremantle were more than happy to pay #11 for Baker

Maybe just maybe ............................................. You are wrong

 

[stallon]

You see thats where your argument falls down and you need to accept Baker is worth more to a football club than what supporters and bigfooty posters see.
Fremantle were more than happy to pay #11 for Baker

Maybe just maybe ............................................. You are wrong

Were freo actually going to pay pick 11 though? Or was that just rumours? What if Freo wanted to do 10+11+18 for Bolton, Baker and a pick?
Pick 11 may have never been offered on its own for Baker. Baker never wanted to go to Freo, it mightve been entirely talk by Freo and Richmond to drive up West Coasts price(not that it needed any help).

We dont know because it never happened

 

[THE_GUN]

Were freo actually going to pay pick 11 though? Or was that just rumours? What if Freo wanted to do 10+11+18 for Bolton, Baker and a pick?
Pick 11 may have never been offered on its own for Baker. Baker never wanted to go to Freo, it mightve been entirely talk by Freo and Richmond to drive up West Coasts price(not that it needed any help).

We dont know because it never happened

Well it was well reported at the time they were willing and Freo were the team that chased him all year and the eagles came in later with their offer.

maybe sometimes things are as they seem and with the eagles splitting #3 to get Baker you would assume that both clubs
were always willing and rated Baker as a player thats worth a pick #11-#14 and the opinion of the eagles supporters that he is only worth a F2 or #23 was simply delusional.

I offered up bets to anybody that was happy to take it but unfortunately for me after 2 months of offering it i could only get 1 eagles supporter that was prepared to back his claim and to his credit payed up a fantastic bottle of grey goose

 

[stallon]

Well it was well reported at the time they were willing and Freo were the team that chased him all year and the eagles came in later with their offer.

Eagles were always after Baker though?

maybe sometimes things are as they seem and with the eagles splitting #3 to get Baker you would assume that both clubs
were always willing and rated Baker as a player thats worth a pick #11-#14 and the opinion of the eagles supporters that he is only worth a F2 or #23 was simply delusional.

Maybe Clarke legitimately has no idea how to negotiate trades, and stuffed it right up from the start. Or maybe he did Richmond a favour.

I offered up bets to anybody that was happy to take it but unfortunately for me after 2 months of offering it i could only get 1 eagles supporter that was prepared to back his claim and to his credit payed up a fantastic bottle of grey goose

 

[WCE777]

Eagles were always after Baker though?

Maybe Clarke legitimately has no idea how to negotiate trades, and stuffed it right up from the start. Or maybe he did Richmond a favour.

the thought that FRE were after Baker as a genuine number 1 priority, except to trade all their 1st round picks to Richmond for Bolton and Baker would have come in negotiations with Richmond, probably and most likely would have been a pick back being discussed.
The Eagles were after Baker for more than this year, they almost got him when his last contract was being negotiated, he was always coming to WC.
WC had committed to drafting Baker and paying a decent price, late 1st round pick was generally regarded fair value so pick 14 was not far outside the the fair value thinking.
These things play out over more than trade and draft week, amazing how B Allan got past Richmond's 2 picks immediately prior to WC pick 15, Richmond get pick 14 for Baker, Richmond leave B Allan alone with 2 picks prior to WC pick.

 

[THE_GUN]

Eagles were always after Baker though?

Maybe Clarke legitimately has no idea how to negotiate trades, and stuffed it right up from the start. Or maybe he did Richmond a favour.

No he does know how to negotiate and he didnt do any Favours

He just paid what the value of Baker is and Hartley , Clarke and the freo list managers were all in the same range
only the eagles supporters thought it was too much because of the limited assets at hand

Me and most Richmond supporters always said a pick around #15 was his value
But they could have manipulated the Graham compo to make it cheaper

Eagles supporters on the other hand were extremely delusional thinking F2 / #23 was more than enough
That was never going to happen and similar to the CCj trade Blair makes sure we get top value for players going out and pay top value for players we want to bring in.

 

[stallon]

No he does know how to negotiate and he didnt do any Favours

Clearly not, the guy came out and said he wants to give pick 14 on day 1 of the trade period. You honestly cant call that good negotiating

He just paid what the value of Baker is and Hartley , Clarke and the freo list managers were all in the same range
only the eagles supporters thought it was too much because of the limited assets at hand

Me and most Richmond supporters always said a pick around #15 was his value
But they could have manipulated the Graham compo to make it cheaper

Eagles supporters on the other hand were extremely delusional thinking F2 / #23 was more than enough
That was never going to happen and similar to the CCj trade Blair makes sure we get top value for players going out and pay top value for players we want to bring in.

We didnt think 23 was fair, we thought it was unders. Baker was OOC so shouldve fetched unders, not the upper range of his value.
Late teens was our valuation

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Not sure what the laugh react is for, stallon

You have 1. Reid.

McGovern will be retired before you contend for a premiership.
Allen's knees are a concern.
Kelly is already 30.
Yeo is already 31.
Ginbey looks like he will be a very good player, but elite is stretching it.
Waterman has had 1 good year. If he backs it up in 2025, you'll have 2.

This is the reality.

Our only saving grace is even when McGovern and Allen retire or go we have a crapload of very good young KPP Players to come in. Alot will fall on Archer Reid, Jobe Shannahan, Rhett Bazzo, Ryan Maric, Jack Williams taking it to the next level which I think they can

Warner for 2025 is a good fit because we have 1 x F/S and 2 NGAs which will be waiting for us anyway. We wont be giving up a entire draft for him as we got 3 guys waiting for us in that sense. Warner is young enough to join us and not worry too much about the team we have today. I also dont think Warner is leaving 4 mill or so on the table cos he could finish top 8 with Freo. People dont do that

 

[Eski3]

how does freo supporters guaranteeing success in the future work ?

Eagles fans cannot comprehend that people look even slightly deeper than "how many flags" when looking at a footy club. Fingernail deep analysis from a plastic, intellectually stunted fan base that collectively knows the names of about 6 AFL players

 

[SwansLifer]

Eagles fans cannot comprehend that people look even slightly deeper than "how many flags" when looking at a footy club. Fingernail deep analysis from a plastic, intellectually stunted fan base that collectively knows the names of about 6 AFL players

From the top rope!

 

[Grumpyshades]

Eagles fans cannot comprehend that people look even slightly deeper than "how many flags" when looking at a footy club. Fingernail deep analysis from a plastic, intellectually stunted fan base that collectively knows the names of about 6 AFL players

way to miss the point
if past success is irrelevant how is hype, predictions and future fantasies any better ? At least one is based in fact
We have been listening to freo's over compensation and salt about WC for 30 years

and I can name about 20 players who have walked out of your 'great club' in last 8-10 seasons

 

[bzparkes]

Eagles fans cannot comprehend that people look even slightly deeper than "how many flags" when looking at a footy club. Fingernail deep analysis from a plastic, intellectually stunted fan base that collectively knows the names of about 6 AFL players

Epic melt.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

way to miss the point
if past success is irrelevant how is hype, predictions and future fantasies any better ? At least one is based in fact
We have been listening to freo's over compensation and salt about WC for 30 years

and I can name about 20 players who have walked out of your 'great club' in last 8-10 seasons

Because the player is joining in the future, not in the past. Incomplete knowledge about the future is a lot more relevant than complete knowledge of the past.

You dismiss predictions like they're just Stevie Wonder throwing darts. In reality, predictions taken on average for AFL clubs, especially in the short to medium term, are usually about right. Taking 2024 as an example, Adelaide, Melbourne, Geelong, Collingwood and Hawthorn were the teams people were significantly wrong about. Everyone else people were generally in the ballpark.

Hell, you mention the players that have left Freo. Really the 1 player who talked about leaving for success, Lachie Neale, went to a club that finished 15th, won 5 games and had really only just gotten past an era when practically every draftee was leaving within 4 years (and in many cases, even less). But the future was looking bright, he bought into that projection, and he has a premiership to show for it.

 

[Grumpyshades]

Because the player is joining in the future, not in the past. Incomplete knowledge about the future is a lot more relevant than complete knowledge of the past.

You dismiss predictions like they're just Stevie Wonder throwing darts. In reality, predictions taken on average for AFL clubs, especially in the short to medium term, are usually about right. Taking 2024 as an example, Adelaide, Melbourne, Geelong, Collingwood and Hawthorn were the teams people were significantly wrong about. Everyone else people were generally in the ballpark.

Hell, you mention the players that have left Freo. Really the 1 player who talked about leaving for success, Lachie Neale, went to a club that finished 15th, won 5 games and had really only just gotten past an era when practically every draftee was leaving within 4 years (and in many cases, even less). But the future was looking bright, he bought into that projection, and he has a premiership to show for it.

Predict all you want, just don't pretend it actually means anything..and it's more a certain fan base 'guaranteeing success' and having a dig at the opposing club at the same time

 

[ghostbat12]

You have one that’s it.

Well if Reid is measure of elite, then freo have none.

 

[ghostbat12]

So how does wce winning flags in the early 90’s translate to success for Warner now . It makes 0 sense. Don’t think it really matters to players what clubs won flags in the 50’s

Thank you for anticipating that we will win flags in 2050s.

 

[freo_leo29]

Well if Reid is measure of elite, then freo have none.

Deadset reckon half our squad are elite if Reid is the measuring stick.

We are being generous putting him in there, he isn't elite yet by any means, probably one day but certainly not yet.

 

[eaglevision]

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Deadset reckon half our squad are elite if Reid is the measuring stick.

We are being generous putting him in there, he isn't elite yet by any means, probably one day but certainly not yet.

Is there a player at Fremantle you wouldn’t trade in a direct swap for Harley Reid or Chad Warner?