List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[snagbreac]

These are assumptions and speculation presented as facts.

1. That hasn't been reported anywhere I've seen (could be mistaken) just speculated here.
2. Allegedly.
3. Allegedly.

It could be true but it may not.

1. It has been. You're most likely not sober if you're doing this. Somehow, I feel alcohol wasn't the only drug being used there.

De Goey video emerges before alleged nightclub assault

Collingwood Magpies star Jordan De Goey has been stood down indefinitely after he was arrested and charged with forcible touching and assault following an alleged nightclub incident.

www.news.com.au

2. True, it is alleged but NYPD don't know what de Goey's status is. To them, he's just another Jordan. So the fact that they made the arrest, indicates there were grounds.

3. If he was drunk and there was a confrontation, probable he did strike someone.

His Instagram story says enough. At the very least it is disappointing off-season behaviour, even if all other allegations are proven to be incorrect.

I get that you're saying 'we don't know' BUT he's got a history of this. If we continue to ignore his negative public image and behaviour towards women we aren't really doing better, are we. This is the true test of the 'Do Better' report. It's not racism, but it is a cultural issue. If I were an AFLW player and knew the club had issued a slap on the wrist to de Goey, I would feel disappointed. Collingwood's actions are being watched and I personally believe a harsh sentence now is better than being viewed as weak, unresponsive and offensive. This is the first test of Fly and Wright. Failure to handle this and the writing is on the wall.

 

[Quicky]

1. It has been. You're most likely not sober if you're doing this. Somehow, I feel alcohol wasn't the only drug being used there.

De Goey video emerges before alleged nightclub assault

Collingwood Magpies star Jordan De Goey has been stood down indefinitely after he was arrested and charged with forcible touching and assault following an alleged nightclub incident.

www.news.com.au

2. True, it is alleged but NYPD don't know what de Goey's status is. To them, he's just another Jordan. So the fact that they made the arrest, indicates there were grounds.

3. If he was drunk and there was a confrontation, probable he did strike someone.

His Instagram story says enough. At the very least it is disappointing off-season behaviour, even if all other allegations are proven to be incorrect.

I get that you're saying 'we don't know' BUT he's got a history of this. If we continue to ignore his negative public image and behaviour towards women we aren't really doing better, are we. This is the true test of the 'Do Better' report. It's not racism, but it is a cultural issue. If I were an AFLW player and knew the club had issued a slap on the wrist to de Goey, I would feel disappointed. Collingwood's actions are being watched and I personally believe a harsh sentence now is better than being viewed as weak, unresponsive and offensive. This is the first test of Fly and Wright. Failure to handle this and the writing is on the wall.

1. Nothing in that report referred to drug use.
2. That's true. The facts are De Goey was arrested for 'forcible touching' and assault. But its not a known if he's guilty of it. That still needs to play out and we'll know sooner or later.
3. That's another assumption.

I don't trust Collingwoods luck with this stuff but I also reckon we need to hold fire until we know what has actually happened. At the moment we don't know the full story.

 

[snagbreac]

1. Nothing in that report referred to drug use.
2. That's true. The facts are De Goey was arrested for 'forcible groping' and assault. But its not a known if he's guilty of it. That still needs to play out and we'll know sooner or later.
3. That's another assumption.

I don't trust Collingwoods luck with this stuff but I also reckon we need to hold fire until we know what has actually happened. At the moment we don't know the full story.

I meant the images are sort of showing that drug usage was present. There are variations in the story, for sure.

NYPD are on red alert for sexual crimes given two offers were found guilty this year for statutory offences and they have been viewed as not handling them correctly in the past.

 

[sr36]

This is the true test of the 'Do Better' report. It's not racism, but it is a cultural issue.

It has nothing at all to do with a report about the extent of racism that has historically existed at the club.

And if you are going to try to link it through inclusiveness, how do you do so?

 

[jmac70]

1. Nothing in that report referred to drug use.
2. That's true. The facts are De Goey was arrested for 'forcible touching' and assault. But its not a known if he's guilty of it. That still needs to play out and we'll know sooner or later.
3. That's another assumption.

I don't trust Collingwoods luck with this stuff but I also reckon we need to hold fire until we know what has actually happened. At the moment we don't know the full story.

Do you believe him?

 

[barrackers]

I'd be shocked if this voids his contract. Thus delisting him wouldn't be a cap saving.

If DeGoey has to stay in America until this is sorted via a full court hearing he won’t be able to meet his contract obligations. That would be grounds to end the contract. However that would be too late for this off-season. In any case I don’t imagine that the club/AFL will move until a verdict is known though. A guilty verdict especially to forceful touching possibly sees him deregistered by the AFL.

 

[domus]

He’ll be sacked within weeks. The facts of who did what will all come to light by then... his culpability established... and the club will be compelled to act

Whether it affects the clubs plan s for draft night remains to be seen

Were you there? Can you give us the details?

 

[Quicky]

Do you believe him?

Not really. I think it's likely De Goey has done something. But I'd like to hold judgement until we know the facts.

 

[Louie the Lipinski]

iF we end up parting ways with JDG, before the trade period ends, do we throw Charle Constable a lifeline to bolster our midfield?

 

[Bald]

Any truth to Sidebottom retiring? Cousin is saying he read it but can’t find anything on it.

 

[Bussie]

Any truth to Sidebottom retiring? Cousin is saying he read it but can’t find anything on it.

yeah on his instagram. True.
Great career, wish him well.

 

[snagbreac]

It has nothing at all to do with a report about the extent of racism that has historically existed at the club.

And if you are going to try to link it through inclusiveness, how do you do so?

Inclusiveness: women and survivors (both male and female) of sexual assault and domestic violence. If Collingwood is an inclusive club, everyone should feel welcome and safe from actions such as de Goey is alleged to have had.

 

[sr36]

Inclusiveness: women and survivors (both male and female) of sexual assault and domestic violence. If Collingwood is an inclusive club, everyone should feel welcome and safe from actions such as de Goey is alleged to have had.

So in the name of inclusion, you want to exile someone for allegations of misconduct?

 

[snagbreac]

So in the name of inclusion, you want to exile someone for allegations of misconduct?

Well for a start the club has just stood him down. It's been released on Twitter.

This isn't a first instance. He's done it before and has not learnt. I'm saying send a message to him. There's assault, which required medical attention that was refused, AND sexual issues at play. It's not okay.

 

[sr36]

Well for a start the club has just stood him down. It's been released on Twitter.

This isn't a first instance. He's done it before and has not learnt. I'm saying send a message to him. There's assault, which required medical attention that was refused, AND sexual issues at play. It's not okay.

Not surprised ghey've stood him down. There will be positive press about the decision and in this case, nothing to lose with standing him down, as he won't be in Australia until after the decision - shit precedent though.

 

[Lockyer24]

Our offer for Ben King

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Ben King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

just grew a bit more $

 

[snagbreac]

Wait is Sidebottom retiring?

 

[Quicky]

Hey Jen2310 you're right across the socials. What's the go with the Sidebottom retiring rumours?

 

[loki04]

We'll need to find the next Naughton I guess. The 2022 drafts gonna be fun.

Let's hope we don't trade out of it, like people on here suggest.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

1. highly likely he’s in violation of AFL drug policy
2. Touched a woman in an inappropriate way leading to the confrontation
3. May have struck someone during the confrontation

This is after just being cleared of historical allegations regarding women

You seriously can’t see a problem here?

AFL... after the dismissing of the Swans player Elijah Taylor because of his incident with a woman... after Patton being sacked... they are just gonna let Collingwood let this De Goey incident fly?

Responding to you 3 points:
1. No one has mentioned drugs. When he was arrested there was no mention of this. Dont think there is much chance of him being done for this.
2. Was it him or his mate. Everyone was drunk apparently. I hope there is clear video footage. Showing exactly what happened.
3. Maybe there was some self defence aspect to this part. Maybe he was protecting his mate.

Im not saying he is innocent. Just that we dont know the facts. My brother once got arrested for an affray his mates started. Was arrested despite being in the toilet looking after a cut on his hand the entire time. Was charged but cleared in court. No one even remembers him being in the fight.

 

[loki04]

Fair bit of doubt there too. Would we have turned him into a forward? And if we trialled him up forward, with our shambles in front of the ball, would he have succeeded or been quickly moved back to full back?

If he goes back that either shores up our defence with Moore or allows Moore to go back either way having a quality physical KPP never hurt any team.

 

[sr36]

If he goes back that either shores up our defence with Moore or allows Moore to go back either way having a quality physical KPP never hurt any team.

Agree. I actually think he'd be an even better KPD than KPF. Imagine trying to kick it forward with Moore, Naughton and Howe patrolling.

 

[stormskye]

Our offer for Ben King just grew a bit more $

And one or two less first round picks to add to the already large collection of wasted ones

 

[Jonno94]

Didn't take long for me to be right about trading our future 2nd with a now potential wooden spoon coming up, should have never considered it.

 

[Harry O]

Player managers with free agents next year suddenly have G Wright on speed dial