List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[Quicky]

This is the list of out of contract players in 2022.

I suspect in 2022/2023 we will look at the free agency.

I think Jackson Macrae

6

Jackson Macrae

Age

30

Ht

192cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

13.1

5star

HB

14.8

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

24.4

5star

K

10.9

4star

HB

13.5

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

4.1

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

1.8

4star

, Angus Brayshaw

10

Angus Brayshaw

Age

28

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

4.3

5star

MG

233.5

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

7.8

4star

M

2.0

2star

T

3.2

4star

MG

233.5

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

8.2

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

5.6

5star

and James Sicily

6

James Sicily

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

12.7

5star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.3

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

365.0

5star

D

19.4

4star

K

14.3

5star

HB

5.1

3star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.0

2star

MG

437.4

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

173.8

3star

are interesting as UFA's next year.

Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

and Logan McDonald are both out of contract also.

 

[SchuPie]

This is the list of out of contract players in 2022.

I suspect in 2022/2023 we will look at the free agency.

I think Jackson Macrae, Angus Brayshaw and James Sicily are interesting as UFA's next year.

Ben King and Logan McDonald are both out of contract also.

I know they usually re sign but can you imagine…?

edit: and many clubs will be coming for them

 

[Quicky]

Depending on what happens next year with King and Lukosious, they could potentially have an enormous war chest.

I've wondered if things have soured with De Goey if they use him in an offer for King. Then pursuing Macrae as an unrestricted free agent.

P.S. I know this quote was in the De Goey thread but thought my response belonged here. Also hope De Goey comes back, kills it and stays. But if things have gone south this is the kinda outcome i'm hoping for to rescue things.

 

[Gone Critical]

I wish we'd try and re-recruit him. He had issues with Buckley and the culture in 2014-15 so it'd be good if we could put him to some use again.

I think he put those rumours to bed in his interviews before the MSD. Spoke highly of Bucks and had no issues with the Pies

 

[Gone Critical]

I've wondered if things have soured with De Goey if they use him in an offer for King. Then pursuing Macrae as an unrestricted free agent.

P.S. I know this quote was in the De Goey thread but thought my response belonged here. Also hope De Goey comes back, kills it and stays. But if things have gone south this is the kinda outcome i'm hoping for to rescue things.

What makes you think Macrae would be interested. He is at a top club whose demographics suggest it will contend over the next 5 year.

Why come to a team who seems likely to struggle for a few seasons yet

 

[Quicky]

What makes you think Macrae would be interested. He is at a top club whose demographics suggest it will contend over the next 5 year.

Why come to a team who seems likely to struggle for a few seasons yet

Did you read my last sentence about hope? It's worth reading my post with an open mind in that context. I really don't know why he'd come but there could be different motivators from dollars, to being sick of the coach, wanting to play with his brother or digging our slimming black and white stripes. Who knows, I can hope.

 

[jmac70]

Did you read my last sentence about hope? It's worth reading my post with an open mind in that context. I really don't know why he'd come but there could be different motivators from dollars, to being sick of the coach, wanting to play with his brother or digging our slimming black and white stripes. Who knows, I can hope.

There’s always hope…

 

[ClaytonM]

There’s always hope…

Thanks Andy Dufresne.

 

[sr36]

Did you read my last sentence about hope? It's worth reading my post with an open mind in that context. I really don't know why he'd come but there could be different motivators from dollars, to being sick of the coach, wanting to play with his brother or digging our slimming black and white stripes. Who knows, I can hope.

My hope is that we don't chase a high profile free agent next year. Better to be patient, bank some salary cap and wait until our kids develop so we know what player types to chase

 

[Abdul_The_Bull]

My hope is that we don't chase a high profile free agent next year. Better to be patient, bank some salary cap and wait until our kids develop so we know what player types to chase

I agree in principle. I believe we have the making of a very good list and they need time to develop, especially in a new environment (coach, board, etc.).
Having said that, if the opportunity were to present itself whereby a player became available that complemented our list and would contribute to player and team development we should explore that option. In any case, no preconceived ideas should be held and opportunities should be considered on merit.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

My hope is that we don't chase a high profile free agent next year. Better to be patient, bank some salary cap and wait until our kids develop so we know what player types to chase

I don’t think we should be afraid of chasing a high profile target ( free agent or otherwise) as soon as 2022. Waiting until we are good enough or worthy enough sounds a bit defeatist to me.

 

[RobJD]

My hope is that we don't chase a high profile free agent next year. Better to be patient, bank some salary cap and wait until our kids develop so we know what player types to chase

Agree, we're at the bottom, of a steep hill right now and there's so many unknowns about our list and the style of game that McRae wants us to play. Supporters need to be patient with the list that we've got, best to bank some salary cap now, e.g., front end load some contracts if possible and to use the free agency process to fill gaps that are the difference between us being a contender and winning a premiership. I'd suggest that at least half our current iist won't be playing for us when we're a side that will be contending, so looking to fill gaps now may prove to be of little benefit in the long run.

 

[sr36]

I don’t think we should be afraid of chasing a high profile target ( free agent or otherwise) as soon as 2022. Waiting until we are good enough or worthy enough sounds a bit defeatist to me.

I suppose it is defeatist in that I don't think we'll be ready to have a genuine crack in the next couple of years. My opinion may change next year if there are enough really good signs. But at this stage, my view is that Free Agents are the wrong age group for us at the moment, as they're all 26+ and getting one now will tie up cap and reduce our scope to be more targetted regarding player type with free agents in the future.

 

[stui magpie]

My hope is that we don't chase a high profile free agent next year. Better to be patient, bank some salary cap and wait until our kids develop so we know what player types to chase

I'd agree with that, we have so many youngsters, including potential KPP's, lets just monitor their development, bank some salary cap and once we know where our needs are we trade for need.

 

[jonbe54]

I suppose it is defeatist in that I don't think we'll be ready to have a genuine crack in the next couple of years. My opinion may change next year if there are enough really good signs. But at this stage, my view is that Free Agents are the wrong age group for us at the moment, as they're all 26+ and getting one now will tie up cap and reduce our scope to be more targetted regarding player type with free agents in the future.

I'd have to say that I have hopes of good improvement in the short term but there certainly is no hard evidence that we are positioned to contend in the next year or two at this stage.

Having said that I remember the near miracle that Tetley Tom almost pulled off.

 

[Gabbo64]

What makes you think Macrae would be interested. He is at a top club whose demographics suggest it will contend over the next 5 year.

Why come to a team who seems likely to struggle for a few seasons yet

I don't really think that makes a lot of sense. If nobody ever went to a struggling club, the future would be bleak for all teams in the bottom six or so.

 

[sr36]

I don't really think that makes a lot of sense. If nobody ever went to a struggling club, the future would be bleak for all teams in the bottom six or so.

The story so far with FA is that low clubs have attracted some - but they've had to pay more to do so.

 

[Abdul_The_Bull]

I'd have to say that I have hopes of good improvement in the short term but there certainly is no hard evidence that we are positioned to contend in the next year or two at this stage.

Having said that I remember the near miracle that Tetley Tom almost pulled off.

I was just thinking of that myself! In more recent times, we were cellar-dwellers in 1999 yet made back-to-back grand finals in 2002 and 2003. The turnaround can be profound and quick given the right environment. I, for one, am confident that we now have the right environment to see real and profound change. It's worth remembering that nothing is ever as bad (or as good) as it appears. It wasn't that long ago that (much of) this list defeated the eventual premiers!

 

[Quicky]

My hope is that we don't chase a high profile free agent next year. Better to be patient, bank some salary cap and wait until our kids develop so we know what player types to chase

That's reasonable also I think. Still you don't want to drop so hard that you aren't an attractive destination.

 

[sr36]

That's reasonable also I think. Still you don't want to drop so hard that you aren't an attractive destination.

I don't think we will. I think our 25+ group are good enough to put us mid table - at this stage, I'm viewing 2021 as an aberration year where everything went to shit. And we've added a little bit to our depth.

 

[Gone Critical]

I don't really think that makes a lot of sense. If nobody ever went to a struggling club, the future would be bleak for all teams in the bottom six or so.

I was more thinking of the specific example. McCrae is a star in a team with a list that looks ready to contend over the next few seasons with a very good chance to win at least one more flag. He is already a flag player at that club. To leave that to go to a struggling club in your own state would seem highly unlikely.

 

[cityslick1]

If you put the rose tinted glasses down, we’re effectively a glorified list of VFL players, with a sprinkling of seasoned veterans. Throw in a new coach / system, and this year has spoon written all over it…

hopefully we’re at least competitive, so our kids get a decent run at playing more than just defence all year

 

[jonbe54]

I was just thinking of that myself! In more recent times, we were cellar-dwellers in 1999 yet made back-to-back grand finals in 2002 and 2003. The turnaround can be profound and quick given the right environment. I, for one, am confident that we now have the right environment to see real and profound change. It's worth remembering that nothing is ever as bad (or as good) as it appears. It wasn't that long ago that (much of) this list defeated the eventual premiers!

Agreed - the thing with the modern game is that momentum . . . both within a game and over the course of a season can determine so much.

Young sides can get on a roll and the confidence that generates can be almost too difficult to withstand.

Having said that the odds say that we are a couple of years away at least.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I don't think we will. I think our 25+ group are good enough to put us mid table - at this stage, I'm viewing 2021 as an aberration year where everything went to sh*t. And we've added a little bit to our depth.

Doesn’t take much to move from Mid table to a finals contender . Can’t see why you’d call us a mid table side and then at the same time rule out a free agency signing that could take us into September action again. Your thinking seems very inconsistent to me.

After all, Collingwood played and even won finals as recently as 2020. It’s not as if we have been in the wilderness for ten years.

It’s up to the new coach to make us a destination club again but with our strong core list and a bit of success with our long list of youth, it’s not a stretch of the imagination

 

[sr36]

Doesn’t take much to move from Mid table to a finals contender . Can’t see why you’d call us a mid table side and then at the same time rule out a free agency signing that could take us into September action again. Your thinking seems very inconsistent to me.

After all, Collingwood played and even won finals as recently as 2020. It’s not as if we have been in the wilderness for ten years.

It’s up to the new coach to make us a destination club again but with our strong core list and a bit of success with our long list of youth, it’s not a stretch of the imagination

I view last year's 17th as an aberration - a perfect shit-storm, but view us as a mid-table side on the way down - basically I think the top half of our list will deteriorate over the next two years (even if our results don't). I don't think a high priced 26+ year old is what we should be targetting, as I think we should be looking to rebuild for further down the track.