Hopper is a free agent next year but he’ll garner plenty of interest next year and there will be a war for him. I’d part with our future first for him to get him to Collingwood now
List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion
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If we continue to trade our 1st rounders we're repeating our mistakes of the past. I could only get on board that if it were for someone exceptional. I like Hopper a lot but not for a 1st rounder.
If we retained our first round this year and land McStay via FA you’d probably consider trading a future first for Hopper or Taranto.
Add Grundy, Hopper, McStay and Dean (or Kreuger back?) to our current team and you’d be hoping that pick is 10+.
We’ve got plenty of youth so I wouldn’t be against using it to add to our 22-26 age bracket.
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It’s not like that at all. Not all investments are equal, Grundy’s is the biggest. I’m not sure that premiership teams have underperforming big contract players…the others I agree probably do…that’s kinda my point though
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I agree we should target that age profile but I wouldn't be using our 1st rounders to do it. I would use free agency and look at fringe players on the cheap.
We have a lot of young players but I think there will be a lot of attrition there because the quality is patchy. It's patchy because we've thrown away so many early picks. I really want us to break that cycle.
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Part of draft management is to trade some first rounders, keep some, gain some, lose some - it's the art of cooking a premiership. We maybe need to look for ways to balance our age pyramid as we have a lot of 2020 draftees on the list. Do we package some up and send them to North Melbourne for a higher draft pick? Do we find some more developed players? I'm not sure but the list management gurus will be working through this.
Hopper is hard to assess. Fairly certain he's on our traded-out family tree.
EDIT: The pick used for him.
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Fringe players like Lipinski. Luke Dunstan is one I really rate and he can't land a game at Melbourne. Brayden Fiorini is another. People don't like him but if we got him, I'd be thrilled.
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Yeah like Lipinski and Krueger. Dunstan is the wrong age profile at 28 but otherwise I would have liked him. Fiorini would be okay. I'm not as big on him as some but he'd improve us. The one I really like is Highmore. I think he'd be cheap but offers a lot as a tall defender.
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I don't think we should ever be closed minded to any avenues to bring in talent including trading our 1st rounders. Which kinda contradicts what I said earlier. But it's about balance. We have favoured trading out our 1sts and I think we're at a stage that we need to try to keep them. Unless there is something exceptional on offer. If we use them now to address the issues with our age profile we're just creating the same problem in 5 years time because we gave away our early picks now. It's just kicking the can down the road.
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Highmore definitely. Had him on my bench in Fantasy a few years back. He's underrated. I think Kelly probably goes at the end of the season and Callum Brown should be nervous because both of them seem to be nudging that way. Isaac Chugg has a short shelf life but he's a rookie so it's weighing up who we fill that space with. A return to list sizes of 50 would be helpful for a lot teams. Help keep talent there for longer, increase draftees, drive participation up as more kids see they can make the AFL. Also mean the injury crisis would be mitigated against.
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We haven't had the best history outcome when it comes to trading 1st rounders.
Balance is key, what type of player do we expect to get at our first round pick this year…can we trade up the order. Or if there is nothing that fills our needs trade for a young established player.
I expect the former scenarios will play out, we have many needs. Talls both forward and back, and skillful mids.
Yes and no, I think the Treloar trade was a good one. He was a gun…and we almost won a premiership. It’s not his fault he copped an horrific injury and that we botched his contract.
The beams issue is the one that cost us dearly in all regards. We were always going to trade that pick though on account of Quaynor. Same goes for the Daicos pick trade.
Agree though it shouldnt be a decision taken lightly.
Our record at using them at the draft is arguably worse
Have to disagree there, I think bad luck has been the key issue.
I’m steadfast on Hine being the best in the business
This just happens to be our biggest investment. Can’t win a flag with your highest paid player Underperforming.
Hope he finds his old firm, but - like Trav - he has been underwhelming since signing his big contract.
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Yes you can. Tiges won a flag in 2019 with Rance on huge money contributing zero - out with a knee. WCE in 2018 with Nicnat likewise.
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It is amazing how some people think one contract can stuff your salary cap. Meanwhile Carlton have at least 6 or 7 players on 700 plus
Mathematics obviously not the strength of some
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Back-ending deals. Only way to explain how they do it.
Or they own a laundrette somewhere.
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Interesting to look back at now
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It was a mess, 2020. No COVID, we kept Treloar and Stevo and our arrogance. COVID, we lost all three, two of them turning out to be wise decisions.
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and we Turned the Treloar Pick into Henry who has been Very Promising so far
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We turned the Stephenson picks into a first rounder for Henry.
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Depends where it lands and what talls are available. I’m taking a tall every day of the week. A pick range for Taranto is 11-20 for me.
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You'd have to say that losing all of Treloar, Stephenson and Phillips have hardly had a huge negative impact on our side. Treloar is the only one that has gone on to do anything of value but he is not a match-winner, for mine.
I had actually forgotten about Phillips! (Colour me embarrassed!)
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