List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[TradeDraft]

 

[Pistol Night]

Unfortunately hes going to cop plenty of shit when he gets here by the sounds of it.

 

[MyManLynch]

Unfortunately hes going to cop plenty of s**t when he gets here by the sounds of it.

You’re probably right…although a couple of big grabs & a long bomb goal will soon wash it away.
If he plays well…the crowd will love him.

 

[Pistol Night]

You’re probably right…although a couple of big grabs & a long bomb goal will soon wash it away.
If he plays well…the crowd will love him.

Im prepared to see what he brings to the side in a fresh environment and system before hating on him

 

[Apex36]

Maybe both?
Trade some later picks to the bummers for their 2nd, so they have enough points for Alwyn Davey Jnr.
Then bid on him...

Fixed that for you. Davey isn’t getting a bid in the top 10.

 

[legendstatus]

No he would not be

Ok you know better.


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[PieLebo87]

Unfortunately hes going to cop plenty of s**t when he gets here by the sounds of it.

There’ll be no reason for it since we’re getting him for free. You don’t just recruit players and not pay ‘em.

I’m actually looking forward to him joining now that it’s a foregone thing. From what I read, he’s a good bloke to have around the club, so would suit what the Pies are trying to build within the group.

 

[Dynamics]

Unfortunately hes going to cop plenty of s**t when he gets here by the sounds of it.

Not from me.

I don't think we should be spending the rumoured coin we're offering him.

But if he comes he's 100% one of us and I'll back him all the way.

 

[rdangelo]

McStay is s**t

Depends how we play him.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Im prepared to see what he brings to the side in a fresh environment and system before hating on him

I think people are less hating on him and more hating on the ridiculous figure being bandied about for his contract.

I'm still yet to see the likes of his ardent supporters here such as Jen really, truly justify how he's worth that much based on his output to date.

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[Jen2310]

I've been told we are getting him for defence.

We'll see how that pays off, if that eventuates.

 

[Buckleys_Chance]

Not sure if this has been said but regarding Grundy and McRae’s comments on wanting him to stay - McRae wouldn’t be lying if the club has said take a pay cut or we’ll trade you and McRae is saying please take a pay cut and stay. It would be consistent with his comments of Wright and Grundys management making the ultimate call.

I’m fairly confident one of JDG or Grundy will go. I’m not convinced that our salary cap in good enough shape to keep both and get new talent/meet needs under the new coaching regime.


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[kpsmagpies]

I've been told we are getting him for defence.

We'll see how that pays off, if that eventuates.

Yep that’s my thinking, he is taking FB and we will be leaving Krueger forward. Just can’t see us taking him as a forward it makes no sense.


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[Jen2310]

Yep that’s my thinking, he is taking FB and we will be leaving Krueger forward. Just can’t see us taking him as a forward it makes no sense.


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Well also it does.
Mihochek and Elliott is almost 30. Other than that, its a very young inexperienced forwardline. Not the worst thing in the world to have some experience to help develop the likes of Ollie.
But I can see it from both ends, so we'll see what they do with him.

But having him in defence also makes sense as it fees up Moore to play his natural role.

 

[KillerMagpies]

Nooooooooooooooooo……..

 

[gouki88]

I've been told we are getting him for defence.

We'll see how that pays off, if that eventuates.

I would be totally fine with that IF it wasn't for $600k over 5

 

[Jen2310]

I would be totally fine with that IF it wasn't for $600k over 5

Lets be honest, nobody actually knows if that's even the true. But that's not our issue. As fans we should only be concerned with whether he'll help us be better. Leave the list management stuff to the list management. Once its done, he'll be one of us for however long it is.

And I like to think of it as an auction. To buy something highly valued in an industry, you need to outbid your rivals. Even if its a little more than you might have wished to pay. But thinking of the long term investment makes it worth it.

To get someone from a top 4 club that has a chance to win a flag, you need to offer more than what he's currently offered. Its a buyer's market.

Forwards are a rare commodity right now, especially experienced ones, hence all the compeition for him. So is it a touch more than we like? Sure, but if thats what it takes, you sometimes have to pay it.
Also lets be real. Free Agents tend to get long term deals. Its the whole point of the system. Very rarely you'd find a forward in a top 4 club getting offers from rivals with short term deals. Players wouldn't move anywhere if that was the case.

Going over the same argument for the last month doesnt change the facts. Plus, who knows he may ivogorate his career with a role change or new environment and become useful.

 

[OniAu]

Lets be honest, nobody actually knows if that's even the true. But that's not our issue. As fans we should only be concerned with whether he'll help us be better. Leave the list management stuff to the list management. Once its done, he'll be one of us for however long it is.

And I like to think of it as an auction. To buy something highly valued in an industry, you need to outbid your rivals. Even if its a little more than you might have wished to pay. But thinking of the long term investment makes it worth it.

To get someone from a top 4 club that has a chance to win a flag, you need to offer more than what he's currently offered. Its a buyer's market.

Forwards are a rare commodity right now, especially experienced ones, hence all the compeition for him. So is it a touch more than we like? Sure, but if thats what it takes, you sometimes have to pay it.
Also lets be real. Free Agents tend to get long term deals. Its the whole point of the system. Very rarely you'd find a forward in a top 4 club getting offers from rivals with short term deals. Players wouldn't move anywhere if that was the case.

Going over the same argument for the last month doesnt change the facts. Plus, who knows he may ivogorate his career with a role change or new environment and become useful.

I feel like a lot of Pie fans , myself included have PTSD after the Treloar/Stevo/Phillips firesale. Due to bad contract management then the finger pointing which essentially went around in circles then pointed at the players. Then even the Mayne/Wells contracts which seemed overs and probably contributed to the above.

I dont mind McStay if we lose say a De Goey, however, does that hinder what we receive back though if De Goey goes through FA?

McStay is the right Age bracket we need and a need in terms of KP whether it is forward or back , which i feel back is our biggest issue currently. Even with Murphy having a solid year.

 

[Jen2310]

I feel like a lot of Pie fans , myself included have PTSD after the Treloar/Stevo/Phillips firesale. Due to bad contract management then the finger pointing which essentially went around in circles then pointed at the players. Then even the Mayne/Wells contracts which seemed overs and probably contributed to the above.

I dont mind McStay if we lose say a De Goey, however, does that hinder what we receive back though if De Goey goes through FA?

McStay is the right Age bracket we need and a need in terms of KP whether it is forward or back , which i feel back is our biggest issue currently. Even with Murphy having a solid year.

Yeah I totally get that. But we have to relax a little because this isn't the same people involved in those decisions. Wright is much wiser and he hasn't let us down yet.

The fact he is someone thats versatile who can play at both ends, even ruck. Definitely a hine speciality lol

 

[OniAu]

Yeah I totally get that. But we have to relax a little because this isn't the same people involved in those decisions. Wright is much wiser and he hasn't let us down yet.

The fact he is someone thats versatile who can play at both ends, even ruck. Definitely a hine speciality lol

Oh for sure , the turn around from the club has been amazing in the space of under two years. Was doom and gloom of the time of that fire sale with no end in sight of it getting better.

Do like the versatility , if we are aiming for him down back i think thats a great get. He seems pretty durable also looking at his games per year. No one would have seen Roughies value before coming to us. Feeling McStay will have a similar approach and outcome

 

[Jen2310]

Oh for sure , the turn around from the club has been amazing in the space of under two years. Was doom and gloom of the time of that fire sale with no end in sight of it getting better.

Do like the versatility , if we are aiming for him down back i think thats a great get. He seems pretty durable also looking at his games per year. No one would have seen Roughies value before coming to us. Feeling McStay will have a similar approach and outcome

Yeah I'm not judging one way or another until we see what he is like under Fly, who has managed to get the best out of players that looked to be on the downward trail.

 

[The Phantom]

McSlow
McExpensive
McNotStevenMay
McCostusJDGcompo
McSpew.

 

[Anzacday]

McSlow
McExpensive
McNotStevenMay
McCostusJDGcompo
McSpew.

McWaitandsee

 

[Scodog10]

Sorry but I simply don't have the time to answer all the valid questions you raise but I better appreciate the thrust of your arguments now; thanks.

The one piece of data I was able to get my hands on that may shed some light on my opinion comes from an ESPN article a couple of weeks ago. The salient information from that is reproduced below.

Collingwood with Grundy (Rounds 1-6)

Hit outs differential: +5.2 (ranked sixth in the AFL)
Clearance differential: -2.5 (13th)
Score from clearance differential: +3.5 points (eighth)

Collingwood without Grundy (Rounds 7-15)

Hit outs differential: -3.9 (11th)
Clearance differential: -1.8 (12th)
Score from clearance differential: -5.0 (14th)

Would be interested in your thoughts...

Without getting into the nitty gritty I think those numbers feed into my belief that we’re better with Grundy, but the difference is marginal when you factor in “strength of schedule” and were definitely not top 4. When you then factor in how we can become top 4 we go full circle to why we’re discussing it in here.

Assuming we can’t just bring Taranto in forget McStay and hold both Grundy + JDG (my preference) my question remains what offers the greatest net benefit a marginal improvement at stoppage with Grundy or the extra ground level asset in Taranto? The key is to improve that area over the off-season if it’s a driver of success for me that leaves JDG untouchable (if we can retain him), but all else is on the table.

 

[Scodog10]

To be fair Cameron/Cox did come up against DeKoning/Silvani/Cripps Reeves/Koschitzke a clearly injured for 75% of the match Gawn and Keeffe/Green/Himmelberg.

I think you’ll find we won the clearance battle in all of those matches bar the 1 with Jackson/ Petracca/ Viney/ Oliver to contend with in Gawn’s absence. With Grundy we won it v St Kilda. That’s it.