List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[adammania9]

This ones new. Do tell?

 

[manicpie]

Going to Hawks might get us Mitchell even cheaper

 

[HFF]

No doubt Fly would be calling up Vossy and asking about Stocker. If you never hear another about Stocks, then you know there's a reason we steered clear.
Trading Grundy may be a mistake, Cameron is capable but still raw.
Cox will be 32 next year and his best is rarely seen, after that, no-one is next in line. Begg is too small then nothing even close. McStay could pinch hit, but I really think we're wasting money with him, ala QLynch, J White.
If Grundy wants to go, all fine by me, but we may be literally selling ourselves short.

Or he may just lean on Bolton for information who would know him better than Voss.

 

[Quicky]

So Parish is linked to Hawks?

 

[adammania9]

Will cost too much. Negotiating with Dodoro is never fun.

I don't disagree. I'd be interested in getting Melbourne involved with Grundy and a three club trade.

Pies lose: Brodie Grundy, CW 2023 first round selection, CW 2022 third round selection
Pies get: Darcy Parish, Melb 2022 second round selection

Demons lose: FRE 2022 first round selection, MEL 2022 second round selection
Demons get: Brodie Grundy, ESS 2022 third round selection

Bombers lose: Darcy Parish, 2022 third round selection
Bombers get: FRE 2022 first round selection, CW 2023 first round selection

 

[adammania9]

So Parish is linked to Hawks?

No link to Collingwood, but if we didn't make a play I'd be annoyed

 

[Quicky]

No link to Collingwood, but if we didn't make a play I'd be annoyed

That video said he was linked to Hawks at 20 seconds. I'd definitely have him. He's RFA next year. It's interesting Hopper and Parish may leave a year out from free agency. That may be a new trend.

 

[Quicky]

I don't disagree. I'd be interested in getting Melbourne involved with Grundy and a three club trade.

Pies lose: Brodie Grundy, CW 2023 first round selection, CW 2022 third round selection
Pies get: Darcy Parish, Melb 2022 second round selection

Demons lose: FRE 2022 first round selection, MEL 2022 second round selection
Demons get: Brodie Grundy, ESS 2022 third round selection

Bombers lose: Darcy Parish, 2022 third round selection
Bombers get: FRE 2022 first round selection, CW 2023 first round selection

We're giving up way too much there. A contracted AA ruck + a 1st rounder.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Darcy Parish and Tom Mitchell AFL Stats Comparison

Darcy Parish and Tom Mitchell AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

When you consider the stats of a Parish “good year” and Mitchell’s “bad year”, that should give us even more reason to chase Tom.

 

[TradeDraft]

That video said he was linked to Hawks at 20 seconds. I'd definitely have him. He's RFA next year. It's interesting Hopper and Parish may leave a year out from free agency. That may be a new trend.

Teams trying to Cash in on there Value before they Hit Free Agency

 

[adammania9]

We're giving up way too much there. A contracted AA ruck + a 1st rounder.

We're getting a 25 year old AA inside mid back. It's not cheap, but he's a very good player and one whom perfectly compliments our running midfielders imo

 

[No SPIN]

Hope where the Darcy Parish smoke is there's a little fire. Better than Mitchell and much younger. He's everything we need in an inside midfielder

I’d take the better 2 way runner?

 

[Quicky]

We're getting a 25 year old AA inside mid back. It's not cheap, but he's a very good player and one whom perfectly compliments our running midfielders imo

If we were to keep Grundy, get Mitchell and retain our 1st rounder that's a far better outcome for us imo.

 

[No SPIN]

If we were to keep Grundy, get Mitchell and retain our 1st rounder that's a far better outcome for us imo.

I’d only trade Grundy if we got enough currency in return to significantly boost our pick quality, and allow GW to use his magic and land Cadman.

 

[spartan-magpie]

How much would he be worth? More than a Taranto, hopper or Mitchell?

I’ve got a feeling that once we move on Grundy, he becomes our target.

 

[cityslick1]

As an outside observer, the upcoming trade period for us appears to be increasingly centred around Jackson and Grundy's respective movements. What Jackson decides will almost certainly have flow-on effects for what we decide to do with Grundy and from that, presumably some of our other players or moves (i.e. Henry, Mitchell).

Some points relevant to each:

Pies: Grundy is an AA ruckman, on a large contract (both in quantum and length) who hasn't played in a season where we've been successful in his absence. Whether he is capable of fitting into our system is a wait and see, however the proof that we can be successful without him exists.

Melbourne: The difference between Melbourne's first half of the season and the second half is chalk and cheese. Their success is built on a base of midfield and defence, with these two areas papering over some very large cracks in their forward line. They've attempted to mitigate this by playing Gawn forward more, however he simply doesn't have the foot or hand skills to be an effective forward - similarly, Jackson has been ineffective as a second forward this season, compounding their issues.

Personally, I don't understand Melbourne's need for Grundy, when both are likely to be required to play in tandem in the ruck and both seem more effective and comfortable when playing significant minutes as the sole ruck. I don't see Grundy moving to Melbourne as necessarily strengthening them, which probably reflects a more general and philosophical view I have about the overall value of rucks.

If Grundy is to leave, and if it can't be interstate to someone like one of the SA clubs (or GWS, GC), then I personally don't see Melbourne as the worst option.

Grundy is not an AA ruckman. That was 3 years ago ffs. Just like how Hannebury is no longer an AA wingman.

Timelines, form and age matter when we are talking trades….

 

[cityslick1]

Are his disposals effective? Buckley made the comment in one game when Mitchell had a lot of disposals that "he's not doing us much damage"

That statement was debunked when he had 3 votes against us in a brownlow winning year. Bucks was a stubborn coach, like MM. refused to admit his strategies were ever flawed

 

[Everybody Panic]

Parish was amazing last year, but watching his games this year, I've never seen someone play midfield with less urgency. No time for players who pick and choose when to run defensively.

 

[Go Woods]

Per season?

Sounds so easy. Roughie retired, we probably low balled Pendles?

Per season as per Tom Browne’s report- Edwards $500k, and they have offered both Cotchin and Rewoldt $300k per season new deals.

 

[Go Woods]

Why aren't we going hard for Hopper?

Yep, really surprised tbh.

 

[GoldenMagpie16]

Why don’t we get Ned Moyle from the suns

 

[Jekyll and Hyde]

Why don’t we get Ned Moyle from the suns

NED MOYLE?

 

[GoldenMagpie16]

NED MOYLE?

Yeah 205cm ruck

 

[Jen2310]

Why don’t we get Ned Moyle from the suns

contracted atm. He clearly is Witt's successor, but I'd love him. Always liked him since he trained/played with our vfl team

 

[sr36]

No link to Collingwood, but if we didn't make a play I'd be annoyed

He'd cost a lot.