List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[Chrispiesssss]

If Grundy did go to the Dees, I rather have their future first than this year’s pick.

Can see the Demons not making the 8 next year.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

If Grundy did go to the Dees, I rather have their future first than this year’s pick.

Can see the Demons not making the 8 next year.

If they somehow lost to Brisbane I could actually see them dropping out of the 8 next year too

 

[NMBB]

If they somehow lost to Brisbane I could actually see them dropping out of the 8 next year too

We live in hope

 

[legendstatus]

If they somehow lost to Brisbane I could actually see them dropping out of the 8 next year too

Not sure what losing to Lions this year has to do with not making the 8 next year - please explain why?

 

[stormskye]

If Grundy did go to the Dees, I rather have their future first than this year’s pick.

Can see the Demons not making the 8 next year.

Can’t see them dropping like that. We need to build now not later. Sooner we get picks sooner we develop them. Plus the amount of potential talls this year I’m keen to have available picks

 

[HFF]

We dodged a bullet with Taranto and Hopper, GWS want 2 first round picks for Taranto and a top 10 pick for Hopper, unfortunetly, they want a second rounder for Hill.

Source: Sam Edmundo

We offered them two picks last year around late 30s/early 40s and they didn’t take them.
His value didn’t all of a sudden increase 12 months on.
What we paid for Lipinski is about right for Hill

 

[SchuPie]

unfortunetly, they want a second rounder for Hill.

Oops - if they want a second, they should have traded him last year

 

[Quicky]

How this is a good idea I’ll never know. I’d prefer to put some time into Kelly and McMahon

I'd say our recruiters rate players who perform in the SANFL and see Frampton replacing the equivalent of Keane, Kelly, McMahon or Madgen (whatever happens with list decisions) on the list. He will cost just about nothing. We get a taller key defender when we only now have Moore. Frampton is pulling in ridiculous numbers in the SANFL for his role, is athletic, tall, a great field kick and intercept mark - the query is his man marking, noting we generally zone. Low risk, high reward. I think it makes a lot of sense.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

We dodged a bullet with Taranto and Hopper, GWS want 2 first round picks for Taranto and a top 10 pick for Hopper, unfortunetly, they want a second rounder for Hill.

Source: Sam Edmundo

GWS are kidding themselves if they want a second rounder for a guy who is out of contract and hasn't played AFL since May.

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[Pragmatic Shill]

We offered them two picks last year around late 30s/early 40s and they didn’t take them.
His value didn’t all of a sudden increase 12 months on.
What we paid for Lipinski is about right for Hill

I think even Lipinski was worth more last year than what Hill is worth now.

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[stormskye]

I'd say our recruiters rate players who perform in the SANFL and see Frampton replacing the equivalent of Keane, Kelly, McMahon or Madgen (whatever happens with list decisions) on the list. He will cost just about nothing. We get a taller key defender when we only now have Moore. Frampton is pulling in ridiculous numbers in the SANFL for his role, is athletic, tall, a great field kick and intercept mark - the query is his man marking, noting we generally zone. Low risk, high reward. I think it makes a lot of sense.

Think people seem to forget Moore’s previous history, if he goes down who’s left? Dean hasn’t played a single game, and is no guarantee to play. There’s nobody left.

 

[ExcitementMachine]

We dodged a bullet with Taranto and Hopper, GWS want 2 first round picks for Taranto and a top 10 pick for Hopper, unfortunetly, they want a second rounder for Hill.

Source: Sam Edmundo

They won't get a second rounder for hill.

 

[JLC]

We dodged a bullet with Taranto and Hopper, GWS want 2 first round picks for Taranto and a top 10 pick for Hopper, unfortunetly, they want a second rounder for Hill.

Source: Sam Edmundo

They are dreaming re a second rounder for Hill.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Can’t see them dropping like that. We need to build now not later. Sooner we get picks sooner we develop them. Plus the amount of potential talls this year I’m keen to have available picks

Since round 11, they have lost 7 out of 13. This doesn’t include a last minute win to the Blues. I think teams are slowly starting to figure them out.

 

[JLC]

ok a hypothetical - let’s say for Grundy we get two first rounders (picks in the teens).

Which player would you give up three first rounders for? (Like cats did with Cameron with second rounders coming back).

 

[KinderSmock]

In order for Richmond to secure Taranto, they'll have to give up something more than what they initially thought. I would love Taranto but only at the right price and two first rounders is a red flag.

 

[magpies42]

De Goey has ADHD - not ideal?

We’ve managed that before, Anxiety is a different thing and clearly it hasn’t allowed Stocker to reach his potential.

 

[Rohan25]

We dodged a bullet with Taranto and Hopper, GWS want 2 first round picks for Taranto and a top 10 pick for Hopper, unfortunetly, they want a second rounder for Hill.

Source: Sam Edmundo

I heard that too and was struck by how Edmund went out of his way to say that although GWS had salary cap issues they wanted to clear, they weren’t going to have to roll over in the trades.
Stark contrast to how they report our trade leverage when clearing salary isn’t it.

 

[KinderSmock]

Stocker went public with anxiety issues a couple of years ago and has remained public about it ever since.

Clubs won't disclose this information unless a player allows it as confidentiality is a fundamental right with healthcare. If it's well-handled and Stocker accepts help, then it's not a reason not to sign him. But personally, I do not rate Liam Stocker and his name is greatly inflated by the opinion of Silvagni.

 

[No SPIN]

Grundy is not an AA ruckman. That was 3 years ago ffs. Just like how Hannebury is no longer an AA wingman.

Timelines, form and age matter when we are talking trades….

What chronic injury issues does Grundy have to make the comparison with Hannebury valid?

 

[sr36]

That’s all good and well, but somebody with mental health problems is not ideal. Nothing against him, wish him all the best but we have to bring in the best and most capable. Resilience is big part of playing professional sport .

Resilience is a must, but "Mental health problems" is a pretty bloody big basket to cross out and I suspect you'd be crossing out some highly resilient stars of the game. No idea about Stocker's situation. Good luck to him and I hope he gets another chance somewhere and works hard enough to make it.

 

[Countrypie]

ok a hypothetical - let’s say for Grundy we get two first rounders (picks in the teens).

Which player would you give up three first rounders for? (Like cats did with Cameron with second rounders coming back).

Harry McKay

 

[sr36]

Clubs won't disclose this information unless a player allows it as confidentiality is a fundamental right with healthcare. If it's well-handled and Stocker accepts help, then it's not a reason not to sign him. But personally, I do not rate Liam Stocker and his name is greatly inflated by the opinion of Silvagni.

I rate him, except his running. Rendell talks about Collingwood changing their recruiting criteria due to Patty Cripps. They'd crossed him off in his draft year because he couldn't run. SOS thought they could repeat the Cripps success story by trafting another talented mid who couldn't run. Unfortunately for the Blues, this one still can't run - he's an example of the reason why the Pies put a line through Cripps.

 

[adammania9]

He’s the second best ruck in the comp at his worst. Potentially gets back to his best after his layoff. He does things that no other ruck can do.

Grundy hasn’t been a top 2 ruck for a long time. 3 years in fact. Potentially gets back to his best, but most likely won’t get close. Do you want a million dollar ruck who breaks even with rucks the calibre of Andrew Phillips?

 

[KJpie]

We dodged a bullet with Taranto and Hopper, GWS want 2 first round picks for Taranto and a top 10 pick for Hopper, unfortunetly, they want a second rounder for Hill.

Source: Sam Edmundo

That's good, GWS has now let us know what they expect as best case scenario for Hill, it's now up to us to negotiate middle ground