List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[JLC]

Because they were available the same year that our cap blew up and we had 0 space to fit them in

Maybe we need to be prepared to lose a trade by paying overs with draft picks but in the long run we win.

 

[No SPIN]

Would be much more comfortable with Fiorini than Mitchell, seems the right type for us. Another Lipinski like pickup, this time a more inside mid.

For those who think Mitchell would come cheap, we'll either be paying for him in salary or trade. Won't be cheap enough either way.

Hawks want to offload Mitchell, so why don’t you think he’ll be cheap?

 

[Heritier 09]

I was keen on brown and 2MP but the truth is they went to their new clubs with question marks. Brown’s knee and Wright’s form both hugely questionable hence the trade price. Wright has performed above expectation, while brown has had massive ups and downs and been dropped here and there despite contributing to the flag. Melbourne are still a key forward short.

McStay is in better shape than either of them and the lions don’t want to lose him. I think he’ll offer quite a lot in our structure.

I agree with the sentiment here around saving up for a really special key forward, but there’s about 6 of them in the league. I don’t think McStay’s reported money would stop us making a play at McKay/King/McDonald for example if we’re able to clear a couple of the old monster deals.

We’d also need to accumulate the draft picks to trade for whoever we target, Geelong spent big to get Cameron.

Richmond getting those 2 Inside mids is enormous for them, would have loved 1 for us. They’ve got the picks, and the cash somehow. That’s the example we need to follow long term.

Mcstay is a free hit and 600 isn’t crazy money. Likely the best we can do without trading young guns.


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[stormskye]

Hawks want to offload Mitchell, so why don’t you think he’ll be cheap?

The same reason you are saying Grundy shouldn’t be cheap. We are trying to offload Grundy, so can’t expect much. Same as hawks. Can’t have it both ways. All comes down to how much salary is paid

 

[swoop42]

There is one downside when a champion in Pendlebury has longevity in the game or players like Sidebottom at age 31 (32 in January) or Howe 32 (33 in June) are still playing solid football and it's the situation where you are somewhat sacrificing your future prospects for the now.

While I believe all are contracted for next season and should remain at the club if you were to play devils advocate you could mount a case that if one or two weren't signed beyond this season our club if not in a better position in 2023 would certainly be in 2024 if we sacrificed the now for the future and moved one or two of them on for players like Taranto and Hopper.

Unfortunately for us the stars haven't been aligning in recent years when it comes to trading and if it wasn't a salary cap bursting at the seams it's been club greats playing football at a good enough standard that they can't easily be sacrificed for our future prospects.

Next year however it might be a different story and the club will start calling time on some aging stars if their form dips enough to justify the decision and/or younger options emerge we believe can replace them.

 

[neilk]

Grundy in a straight swap for Logue would kill GW’s reputation.

If Freo take on all of Grundy's salary it may not be too far off a fair trade. Maybe a 2nd rounder thrown in by them.

 

[No SPIN]

The same reason you are saying Grundy shouldn’t be cheap. We are trying to offload Grundy, so can’t expect much. Same as hawks. Can’t have it both ways. All comes down to how much salary is paid

Grundy’s situation is far from the palpable desperation with Treloar, we are not going to be shafted, if fact he could stay.
Hawks have been wanting to offload Mitchell for 2 yrs, which makes a seller more flexible on price the second time around.

 

[RobJD]

If Mitchell cost a 3rd round draft pick, I think we would be stupid not do it. Paying more for him is a no. Odds of getting player who will be a gun at that pick is unlikely. Adams is injury prone so it is really his spot and in a final you would want two of them.

Agree, Mitchell provides a short-term solution to one of our biggest problems - lack of an in-side mid, if he was eligible to play this week, he'd be in the side. Recruiting Mitchell takes the pressure off Adams' return to the side and allows us to manage the time that Adams plays when fit. Mitchell has proven to be robust and he'll also be a good mentor for our emerging in-side mids through the pre-season ((whilst Adams is re-habbing) and during early season games. It's highly unlikely that whomever we draft this year will be able to step into an in-side mid role next year, even if we managed to get a Serong, they'd still be two to three years off (and Serong had both the aging Mundy and Fyffe as mentors)

 

[Linda Lovelace]

I was keen on brown and 2MP but the truth is they went to their new clubs with question marks. Brown’s knee and Wright’s form both hugely questionable hence the trade price. Wright has performed above expectation, while brown has had massive ups and downs and been dropped here and there despite contributing to the flag. Melbourne are still a key forward short.

McStay is in better shape than either of them and the lions don’t want to lose him. I think he’ll offer quite a lot in our structure.

I agree with the sentiment here around saving up for a really special key forward, but there’s about 6 of them in the league. I don’t think McStay’s reported money would stop us making a play at McKay/King/McDonald for example if we’re able to clear a couple of the old monster deals.

We’d also need to accumulate the draft picks to trade for whoever we target, Geelong spent big to get Cameron.

Richmond getting those 2 Inside mids is enormous for them, would have loved 1 for us. They’ve got the picks, and the cash somehow. That’s the example we need to follow long term.

Mcstay is a free hit and 600 isn’t crazy money. Likely the best we can do without trading young guns.


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Brown and Wright embarrassed the entire AFL list management profession that year, not just the clowns running ours at the time.

You would think there was a magical tree that grew 200cm 23-year-old former top 10 draft picks who had kicked 30 goals in his first two seasons or 200cm guys who were near Coleman territory.

There were genuine question marks sure, but it was weird how so many clubs that needed guys like that on their list didn't even bother to look at the bargain basement prices on offer.

 

[Gone Critical]

Is Ollie genuinely linked to another club? I’m yet to read it or hear it from any journo?

Sam Edmund on the SEN morning show earlier in the week said Geelong were concentrating on bigger fish like Hopper currently but the the background were working on others and mentioned Ollie as the example.

Always thought if he goes it would only be Geelong because of the very obvious links. Otherwsie he has a big group of younger players coming through at a club where he should get opportunities. I doubt money is the real issue. If he goes its for Geelong , to play with his brother, lice close to a close family and the lifestyle he grew up with. Doubt he has issues with us

 

[JuniorB]

If Freo take on all of Grundy's salary it may not be too far off a fair trade. Maybe a 2nd rounder thrown in by them.

The issue with that is that Grundy wants to stay in Melbourne.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Please let this be true.
Clearance and contested beast at VFL level.

Think of him as a younger Taylor Adams.
Yes there are some kicking issues but he could be a real asset.

Lost me at "kicking issues".

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

I like what we are doing in those targets but we dont need Logue who will cost to much in $$$ and trade.
I would rather take picks to the draft,

Don't have to worry about Logue. Going to North on a 4 year deal....

 

[KinderSmock]

"The Herald Sun reports Collingwood has preliminary interest in the 25-year-old, who remains contracted to the Suns for one more year on more than $500,000."

Well, hopefully he can come for a fraction of that price.

 

[Jasper84]

Fiorini has had an interesting career so far. Seven years in the system averages 11 games a year l feel injury has probably ruined a couple of his years. In 2016 he was placed on the Suns LTI, but in that year he played two games average of 25 disposals a game. A good year in 2019 played 21 matches, averaged 25 disposals a game, but then in 2020 just 5 games, then just 10 games in 2021 but averaged 24 disposals a game, and 14 games this year, average 17 disposals a game.
Seems like injury/opportunity has made his career a roller coaster, because he has shown he can play at the level, but can't get in a full season at AFL level, despite having some decent numbers.
Just on Tom Mitchell, just reading the other day the article by Gary Buckenara, doing analysis of Hawthorn's list. He had the Hawks with 2 A graders, with Mitchell being one of them....
Also l am liking our moneyball approach to our trading this year. I am imagining our list management team, sitting in a room out the back, with a white board with a list of names on it, some top A grade talent, along with your B to C grade talent, and Fly McRae just reeling off names from the B and C grade column, with his assistant on their laptop, with a spreadsheet open, reeling off the special attributes the cheaper "moneyball" buys can bring to the team, ala Billy Beane....

Hopefully Fly and the team are secretly working away on a correct term to describe savvy AFL recruiting, thus ending the Moneyball comparisons for ever.

 

[Couch Coach]

Around the boards Collingwood Focus 9/09:

63 pages added to this thread since my previous post

Adelaide: Frampton to us.
Brisbane: McStay to us.
Carlton:
Essendon: Want Henry.
Fremantle: "Ollie Henry wants $500-600k a season, he'll be leaving Collingwood. No article source, cheeky inside source"
Geelong: Want Henry. Grundy to Melbourne. "I would love to raid the Pies for JDG, Grundy and Henry."
Gold Coast: Fiorini to us.
GWS:
Hawthorn: Want Henry. Mitchell to us.
Melbourne: Grundy to Melbourne, some against it.
North: Fiorini to us.
Power: Frampton to us. Grundy they don't want.
Richmond: Picking on us, saying they get A grade and we get B/C grade Fiorini, Frampton, Mitchell, Hill and McStay. Even with them likely to get Taranto and Hopper they still talk about us. Getting Grundy to replace Soldo?
St Kilda: Not getting De Goey.
Sydney: Minor Grundy wish talk.
Bulldogs: Minor Dunkley to us talk.
West Coast:

RIP Queen Elizabeth 11

 

[Unknown Identity]

Around the boards Collingwood Focus 9/09:

63 pages added to this thread since my previous post

Adelaide: Frampton to us.
Brisbane: McStay to us.
Carlton:
Essendon: Want Henry.
Fremantle: "Ollie Henry wants $500-600k a season, he'll be leaving Collingwood. No article source, cheeky inside source"
Geelong: Want Henry. Grundy to Melbourne. "I would love to raid the Pies for JDG, Grundy and Henry."
Gold Coast: Fiorini to us.
GWS:
Hawthorn: Want Henry. Mitchell to us.
Melbourne: Grundy to Melbourne, some against it.
North: Fiorini to us.
Power: Frampton to us. Grundy they don't want.
Richmond: Picking on us, saying they get A grade and we get B/C grade Fiorini, Frampton, Mitchell, Hill and McStay. Even with them likely to get Taranto and Hopper they still talk about us. Getting Grundy to replace Soldo?
St Kilda: Not getting De Goey.
Sydney: Minor Grundy wish talk.
Bulldogs: Minor Dunkley to us talk.
West Coast:

RIP Queen Elizabeth 11

Dunkley is the one I'm shocked we haven't had a serious crack at.

He had a foot out the door when Treloar was traded to the Dogs and never understood why we couldnt work something out there.

Then talk of him on the out again this year with Port keen, perfect age.. genuine big body mid and can slide forward and hit the scoreboard.

Dunkley > Taranto

 

[AmericanMustard]

Around the boards Collingwood Focus 9/09:

63 pages added to this thread since my previous post

Adelaide: Frampton to us.
Brisbane: McStay to us.
Carlton:
Essendon: Want Henry.
Fremantle: "Ollie Henry wants $500-600k a season, he'll be leaving Collingwood. No article source, cheeky inside source"
Geelong: Want Henry. Grundy to Melbourne. "I would love to raid the Pies for JDG, Grundy and Henry."
Gold Coast: Fiorini to us.
GWS:
Hawthorn: Want Henry. Mitchell to us.
Melbourne: Grundy to Melbourne, some against it.
North: Fiorini to us.
Power: Frampton to us. Grundy they don't want.
Richmond: Picking on us, saying they get A grade and we get B/C grade Fiorini, Frampton, Mitchell, Hill and McStay. Even with them likely to get Taranto and Hopper they still talk about us. Getting Grundy to replace Soldo?
St Kilda: Not getting De Goey.
Sydney: Minor Grundy wish talk.
Bulldogs: Minor Dunkley to us talk.
West Coast:

RIP Queen Elizabeth 11

Hopefully as many clubs want Henry as bigfooty boards, should net a nice return

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

"The Herald Sun reports Collingwood has preliminary interest in the 25-year-old, who remains contracted to the Suns for one more year on more than $500,000."

Well, hopefully he can come for a fraction of that price.

You'd think we'd offer him a multi-year deal and smooth the money out.

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[Dead Eye Didak]

Around the boards Collingwood Focus 9/09:

63 pages added to this thread since my previous post

Adelaide: Frampton to us.
Brisbane: McStay to us.
Carlton:
Essendon: Want Henry.
Fremantle: "Ollie Henry wants $500-600k a season, he'll be leaving Collingwood. No article source, cheeky inside source"
Geelong: Want Henry. Grundy to Melbourne. "I would love to raid the Pies for JDG, Grundy and Henry."
Gold Coast: Fiorini to us.
GWS:
Hawthorn: Want Henry. Mitchell to us.
Melbourne: Grundy to Melbourne, some against it.
North: Fiorini to us.
Power: Frampton to us. Grundy they don't want.
Richmond: Picking on us, saying they get A grade and we get B/C grade Fiorini, Frampton, Mitchell, Hill and McStay. Even with them likely to get Taranto and Hopper they still talk about us. Getting Grundy to replace Soldo?
St Kilda: Not getting De Goey.
Sydney: Minor Grundy wish talk.
Bulldogs: Minor Dunkley to us talk.
West Coast:

RIP Queen Elizabeth 11

Henry wants $500 - $600k a year. Surely that is a joke!

RIP Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

 

[Carlthetruth]

Agree, Mitchell provides a short-term solution to one of our biggest problems - lack of an in-side mid, if he was eligible to play this week, he'd be in the side. Recruiting Mitchell takes the pressure off Adams' return to the side and allows us to manage the time that Adams plays when fit. Mitchell has proven to be robust and he'll also be a good mentor for our emerging in-side mids through the pre-season ((whilst Adams is re-habbing) and during early season games. It's highly unlikely that whomever we draft this year will be able to step into an in-side mid role next year, even if we managed to get a Serong, they'd still be two to three years off (and Serong had both the aging Mundy and Fyffe as mentors)

Actually in the short term Mitchell creates more problems than he solves. His opponent runs amok because he can't spread, his skills are in decline not to mention the lack of impact his disposals have, then there's the salary and his potential blocking of elite talents like Daicos and newsflash, he won't be blocking him for long then you're stuck with an expensive VFL player. Cheap and gets some clearances but rubbish at just about everything else, the Hawks can hang onto that.

 

[Capital Magpie]

OK. I have some spare time later today or tomorrow. I'll let everyone know how I go.

Well, the wheels are in motion. I rang Mac's Sports a little while ago and left a voicemail with Anthony. I said that I was representing a Collingwood fans online forum and we were interested in knowing what Ollie Henry's future playing plans were and that we all hoped he would re-sign with Collingwood. Asked them to return my call and I said I hoped my request wouldn't breach any privacy principles.
I actually reckon they might ring me back as a courtesy. We'll see I guess.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Dunkley is the one I'm shocked we haven't had a serious crack at.

He had a foot out the door when Treloar was traded there and never understood why we couldnt work something out there.

Then talk of him on the out again this year with Port keen, perfect age.. genuine big body mid and can slide forward and hit the scoreboard.

Dunkley > Taranto

Money would be the issue there, you'd think...

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Geelong: Want Henry. Grundy to Melbourne. "I would love to raid the Pies for JDG, Grundy

Pure Geeee-long tossers.....

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Well, the wheels are in motion. I rang Mac's Sports a little while ago and left a voicemail with Anthony. I said that I was representing a Collingwood fans online forum and we were interested in knowing what Ollie Henry's future playing plans were and that we all hoped he would re-sign with Collingwood. Asked them to return my call and I said I hoped my request wouldn't breach any privacy principles.
I actually reckon they might ring me back as a courtesy. We'll see I guess.

I admire your honesty, I was just gonna pretend I was some Channel 7 intern.