List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[No SPIN]

Ok. So why are we shovelling Grundy out the door if we can use the cap increase to pay for Mcstay etc?

Grundy is not being dumped like Treloar etc- there is no comparison to those guys.
If we get a good deal and he agrees to leave he goes.

 

[soreplums]

We're not. He apparently asked us if he could explore his options.

I think that may have been in response to Wright asking him to take a 200k pay cut

 

[Juan Ide]

I think that may have been in response to Wright asking him to take a 200k pay cut

I think you're right.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

I was impressed with Frampton in the few games he played for the Crows last year. I'd welcome a 200cm mobile, versatile player into our club. Clearly, we don't have the money or picks to get top drawer players so we have to go about improving our list in different ways. Teams have different needs. Heath Scotland was a class player who couldn't get a run in our stacked midfield. The Crows have some good young key position players who they preferred. Who would you suggest we recruit to help out our tall stocks?

We are prioritising youth. We have Murray, Butts and McAsey, all who are contracted. McAsey unlikely to be traded this year and Butts/Murray are your fairly solid KPD types and Murray can chop out in the ruck. I would personally persist with Frampton, but seems like we’re willing to cut him loose for opportunity. We have salary cap space so I don’t know why we don’t just sign him for a few years and trade him, whilst covering his salary (for a slightly better pick)


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[WeedsMullet84]

Frampton might well have had some growing up to do but at 25 is now matured and finally starting to blossom.

As a defensive prospect he appears to have some skills you can work with and given the likely very low cost I don't really see any downside on us taking a chance.

Might prove to be a very smart piece of talent identification and given the evidence we've seen so far of our new coaching panel I'm not willing to bet against them extracting more out of him.

Is playing today in the SANFL prelim final at 2.45 SA time against Norwood


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[No SPIN]

I think that may have been in response to Wright asking him to take a 200k pay cut

How do you know it was $200k?

 

[Albert Parker]

Because Zorko was being booed it was some sort of retaliation and just really weird embarrassing s**t!

Petty drove his elbow into Zorko's face. I suspect the booing intensified/started after that

 

[manicpie]

The SANFL is live on 7mate today if anyone wants to watch Frampton

 

[The Royal Sampler]

The SANFL is live on 7mate today if anyone wants to watch Frampton

Nice of the South Australians to name their league after Frampton. Don’t know that they really need the “N” though.

 

[TradeDraft]

We're not. He apparently asked us if he could explore his options.

I read it the Other Way

 

[Juan Ide]

I read it the Other Way

I respectfully refer the Honourable Poster from The Mornington Peninsula to the intelligence provided by the Honourable Poster from The Surf Coast two pages ago.

 

[Quicky]

Quicky... I believe as others have stated previously. The club has done a list needs analysis and determined our list imbalance needs fixing earlier rather than later. Club appears to share a lot of BF's view that Brodie's injury this year has shown that although Cameron/Cox do not much Grundy in many ways we can and have survived without Grundy and the approx $950k per year salary we are paying him for the next 5 years. That $$$ may not go to a new player this year but it gives us so much flexibility to improve our list profile.

I agree with you I just don't believe we are in a situation where we have to sell if the value in return isn't there.

 

[jamieb1983]

We should be trying to gain van rooyan in any grundy trade with the dees.

Unlikely they would want to give him up but if they want grubdy bad enough at keast ask the question

 

[KinderSmock]

We should be trying to gain van rooyan in any grundy trade with the dees.

Unlikely they would want to give him up but if they want grubdy bad enough at keast ask the question

Van Rooyan won't be traded nor part of any discussions.

 

[sr36]

We have salary cap space so I don’t know why we don’t just sign him for a few years and trade him, whilst covering his salary (for a slightly better pick)

I like the creative thought process, but if another club is interested, you'd need to overpay him to get his signature. Sure you've got the cap space to pay the overpayment when he's traded, but why would the overpayment impact his trade value?

 

[jamieb1983]

Van Rooyan won't be traded nor part of any discussions.

Cheers for that. Guess thats the end of that if you say it is so

 

[Apex36]

Cheers for that. Guess thats the end of that if you say it is so

What makes you believe that Melbourne would consider involving a young, promising, contracted player, who fills a desperate need for them moving forward in any trade?

If you use your brain for 30 seconds you’ll realise that there’s no chance of it happening.

 

[pablo disco bar]

The SANFL is live on 7mate today if anyone wants to watch Frampton

In Victoria as well?

 

[Scritchyscroony]

We're not. He apparently asked us if he could explore his options.

I was starting to think there was more to the story than us needing to offload him for cap reasons.

 

[Gold Rocks]

We are prioritising youth. We have Murray, Butts and McAsey, all who are contracted. McAsey unlikely to be traded this year and Butts/Murray are your fairly solid KPD types and Murray can chop out in the ruck. I would personally persist with Frampton, but seems like we’re willing to cut him loose for opportunity. We have salary cap space so I don’t know why we don’t just sign him for a few years and trade him, whilst covering his salary (for a slightly better pick)


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Stop the cap frampton isn’t worth anything as the pies can get him for free or a pick above 60. you’re dreaming thinking you are getting a pick in the 40’s unless you give something very good back like a future third.

 

[jamieb1983]

What makes you believe that Melbourne would consider involving a young, promising, contracted player, who fills a desperate need for them moving forward in any trade?

If you use your brain for 30 seconds you’ll realise that there’s no chance of it happening.

What makes you think they wont? If they want grundy bad enough then they may consider it.
Thanks for the backhander. Insee you are really good at being a know it all.

 

[Dynamics]

That has been the annoying part for a long time now. More so against Geelong last week. Every time we got a goal they would get the centre clearance and move it directly into our forward line and goal. Mitchell is not the long-term answer, but he very well may be the short-term answer whilst we improve our list imbalance

I tend to agree. If we want to push for a flag next year before blokes like Howe, Pendles and Sidebottom retire (and obviously we do) it would be a massive boost to have a plug&play inside mid who can feed it to Naicos, Jaicos and co. It's the glaring hole in our list and our young mids just need more time before they can consistently get us first use from contested situations.

The only question will be the cost.

 

[KillerMagpies]

My son’s friend knows a management crew linked with Grundy…. Well progressed talks with Melbourne AND GEELONG have occurred.
Don’t rule out Geelong, where Grundy is a MUCH better fit.
If the Cats had cash for Hopper, they have cash for Grundy.
I don’t buy this, “Grundy is studying. He needs to stay in Melbourne.”
It’s BS. My son has completed his Commerce degree from his bedroom on a computer.
Cats/Dees… it’s 50/50.

 

[Apex36]

What makes you think they wont?

Seriously? I literally just laid it out for you.

If they want grundy bad enough then they may consider it.
Thanks for the backhander. Insee you are really good at being a know it all.

No they won’t. You don’t give away contracted first round prospects that are playing in an area of need, as steak knives in a deal. It’s basic list management.

 

[nahnah]

Imagine if we met McStay in the grannie