List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[NMBB]

What was Walsh doing…brewing the coffee?

Sorting out which spreadsheet Ed was making up that week

 

[Jechas]

Chicken or egg argument. Mitchell had his midfield opportunity early in the year and wasn’t impacting. Sam Mitchell moved him and gave kids opportunity because they lost nothing through their midfield without him and got development opportunity for some kids.

There are no better options that fill the gap. Great deal if the pies can make it happen and not spend a bunch. Better than any of teh other options. Would love a suggestion on who you think fits better?

 

[Quicky]

Happy for you to think that.

Further to that, Mitchell playing on-ball in his best position feeding De Goey, Crisp, Pendles, Jaicos, Naicos will help lift his impact. Half forward in a struggling Hawthorn team was never going to play to his strengths or get the best out of him.

 

[soreplums]

Bringing Mitchell in will benefit the Daicos’ in the centre. Him getting it out to them will help with some good return from centre bounces.

last night was the first time I saw J. Daics get some centre clearances in space and he looked dangerous sending it forward.

 

[Copeland]

If Henry leaves we'll surely end up with two first rounders.

Package them up for a top 5 pick and get Cadman. Easy money.

Who’s giving up a top 5 pick?

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I’m tipping he will be our fullback come rd 1 next year

I don't get why a guy capable of playing full back for us in round 1 next year is being delisted.

 

[whiskeytown]

I don't get why a guy capable of playing full back for us in round 1 next year is being delisted.

Has he been delisted? Thought pies having to trade for him.

Crows have plenty of tall defenders… so it’s probably a case of not being the preferred defender

Dunn and Roughead were in the same boat

I think Frampton is being recruited so as to allow Moore to return to half back where he is of better value to the team

 

[Jen2310]

I think Dean has been forgotten about with his injuries this year and Murphy finally coming on as a player.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Who? Who’s ready? Macrae? No, reef? Years off. Adams Is cooked.

Happy for you to think that.

We’re better served imho getting development into Macrae, Carmichael, Draper, Daicos’s x2, McInnes, Lipinski, Murley and Draper than selling our souls for a quick fix.

If we want to bolster the depth, a Lipinski type player (Fiorini) who doesn’t significantly impact TPP or our draft hand a much better option.

 

[pablo disco bar]

I think Dean has been forgotten about with his injuries this year and Murphy finally coming on as a player.

Reef as well
Would if been a perfect sub for finals imo

 

[stormskye]

Happy for you to think that.

We’re better served imho getting development into Macrae, Carmichael, Draper, Daicos’s x2, McInnes, Lipinski, Murley and Draper than selling our souls for a quick fix.

If we want to bolster the depth, a Lipinski type player (Fiorini) who doesn’t significantly impact TPP or our draft hand a much better option.

I don’t think giving up a nothing third rounder and spreading his $ over 2-3 years is an issue. Pretty sound IMO. Gives time for those listed to develop and cover adams who will be lucky to get 15 games a year. That’s just me. I wouldn’t give up more though.

 

[Mollythedolly]

There are no better options that fill the gap. Great deal if the pies can make it happen and not spend a bunch. Better than any of teh other options. Would love a suggestion on who you think fits better?

I’ve already said repeatedly I’d rather back the kids already on our list but just for you, I’d rather back the kids already on our list.

The same arguments being offered in support of Mitchell were equally applicable to Beams. Didn’t make that a good trade.

 

[Mollythedolly]

I don’t think giving up a nothing third rounder and spreading his $ over 2-3 years is an issue. Pretty sound IMO. Gives time for those listed to develop and cover adams who will be lucky to get 15 games a year. That’s just me. I wouldn’t give up more though.

You say it gives time, I say it denies development opportunity. I’m happy to back the kids we’ve got, your not, that’s fine.

 

[whiskeytown]

I think Dean has been forgotten about with his injuries this year and Murphy finally coming on as a player.

Will still potentially be a spot in the seniors for Dean if he performs

But Frampton arrival is the end of madgen and possibly Kelly too

 

[Mollythedolly]

Further to that, Mitchell playing on-ball in his best position feeding De Goey, Crisp, Pendles, Jaicos, Naicos will help lift his impact. Half forward in a struggling Hawthorn team was never going to play to his strengths or get the best out of him.

He was moved to HF because he was having bugger all impact in the midfield. I’m happy for you to think a move to us will reinvigorate his career. I don’t.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Having listened to the Hawks fans’ justifications for Newcombe as the Rising Star this year; they don’t rate Mitchell’s performances any more. He gets the most ball but they don’t consider his use damaging enough. I don’t watch enough Hawks games to know.

I do think it’s unlikely we get both Mitchell and Fiorini, and the interest in Fiorini seems to be pretty genuine.

 

[sr36]

Will be 30 early 2023, best is well behind him, and he won’t be cheap in terms of TPP even if the Hawks contribute. He’s contracted for 2023 so he’s looking for longevity in his contract if he’s moving. Just not worth bothering with.

Rather put our faith in the kids we already have and add extra development options via the draft.

The WTF is that posters are actually keen to add him.

I'd view recruiting Mitchell as putting faith in the young mids on our list - just not immediate faith. And I think we'd be nuts to put immediate faith in our kids. I think we need to recruit another insider for immediate returns. Depending on the deal, we might be able to get a very good player for a reasonable price for the next 3 years whilst our kids are developing and getting ready to take over. Without faith in the young kids, I think you'd need to get someone younger, which is going to be not as likely to produce or a lot more expensive than Mitchell. He makes sense if you have a bit of faith that a couple of our young kids will come through as good AFL mids.

 

[stormskye]

You say it gives time, I say it denies development opportunity. I’m happy to back the kids we’ve got, your not, that’s fine.

Fair enough. I was sceptical of Mitchell originally, but adams recent injury, plain and simply is not good. I’m looking at him as adams coverage

 

[Anzacday]

What was Walsh doing…brewing the coffee?

Whatever Ed told him to do (same as Ned)

 

[sr36]

I’ve already said repeatedly I’d rather back the kids already on our list but just for you, I’d rather back the kids already on our list.

The same arguments being offered in support of Mitchell were equally applicable to Beams. Didn’t make that a good trade.

I think you're underestimating how long it takes most inside mids to be good, reliable AFL players. It's a seriously difficult position because it's so physical and you're up against the best players around. Not many inside mids under the age of 24 play in flags - Selwood and Pendlebury did. I can't think of too many more. Those awesome midfields drafted by Brisbane, Geelong, Melbourne weren't Premiership midfields until the guys in them were 24+. So even if we've got a couple of good likely ones, expecting them to come through so early is unrealistic.

 

[Jechas]

I’ve already said repeatedly I’d rather back the kids already on our list but just for you, I’d rather back the kids already on our list.

The same arguments being offered in support of Mitchell were equally applicable to Beams. Didn’t make that a good trade.

That doesn't solve the problem though, we have a good enough list to compete now, not hope a 20 year old becomes a good inside mid. Beams cost us 2 first round picks and his salary, this is not even close to the case with Mitchell?

 

[Jechas]

Having listened to the Hawks fans’ justifications for Newcombe as the Rising Star this year; they don’t rate Mitchell’s performances any more. He gets the most ball but they don’t consider his use damaging enough. I don’t watch enough Hawks games to know.

I do think it’s unlikely we get both Mitchell and Fiorini, and the interest in Fiorini seems to be pretty genuine.

I think the suns are pretty keen to get rid of him, been playing VFL a lot this year and on 500k. They would pay part of his salary and not take a huge amount of picks to get him. Depends how much cash we will be paying Mitchell i guess

 

[deano_66]

Where are we this year without him?

Lol that's besides the point. You don't stay stagnant exactly what happened to us in 2018 when we had overachieved. You have to improve by feeling spots we lack in which is a clearance mid which is what Mitchell is. By going off you just because we're in the preliminary final we don't get anyone lol? Richmond are getting Taranto and Hopper, Geelong is after players, every team will try and improve on areas.

 

[Carlthetruth]

You say it gives time, I say it denies development opportunity. I’m happy to back the kids we’ve got, your not, that’s fine.

What it will do is stunt our young mids growth the exact reason the Hawks are trying to dump him. Mitchell would have been perfect for the Buckley gameplan, over possess, go sideways and crab forward and is hopelessly obsolete for the way we play now. Slow, small and can't spread and all you need is one weak link and the pressure system breaks down, that's Tom in a nutshell.

 

[Mollythedolly]

I'd view recruiting Mitchell as putting faith in the young mids on our list - just not immediate faith. And I think we'd be nuts to put immediate faith in our kids. I think we need to recruit another insider for immediate returns. Depending on the deal, we might be able to get a very good player for a reasonable price for the next 3 years whilst our kids are developing and getting ready to take over. Without faith in the young kids, I think you'd need to get someone younger, which is going to be not as likely to produce or a lot more expensive than Mitchell. He makes sense if you have a bit of faith that a couple of our young kids will come through as good AFL mids.

At the risk of repeating myself, I disagree. There isn’t anything about recruiting Tom Mitchell that makes sense to me.