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IDK, but Perryman looks much better than some of them quotes. It contradicts the fact that he's been chased by 3 or 4 clubs that we know of. I seriously doubt Peatling could have the same impact in the midfield compared to Perryman. Perryman is a strong mark and a beautiful kick. His lack of pace was well documented in his draft year but only when compared to really qick midfielders of that draft. He still went at pick 14. I reckon we see him as the Pendles replacement running through the middle and half back. Inconsistency is Peatlings problem.- NEW POSTER & URGENT - RE: HARRY PERRYMAN -
Hi guys,
Been reading these forums for 20 years but felt compelled to register an account and give my thoughts account after seeing that we are looking to offer Harry Perryman a godfather offer to come to the pies.
As an avid footy watcher, I have always thought Perryman was an ok if not average player, but definitely a player that has never stood out.
I think many of us have probably had an inflated view of his quality, based on the fact that he has always been a regular in a pretty strong GWS team.
Anyway, considering the reports that we have offered Perryman a godfather circa 7-year $850k (based on media estimates) I felt compelled to do more research on him.
This led me to a feature on the AFL app which lets you view every possession/contest a player has been involved in during a game over the last few years.
For anyone that wants to do this for themselves go onto the AFL app click on the stats tab and then enter a players name in the search box and then click highlights, and each game will pop up to select.
I did this for Perryman and what I found was pretty underwhelming.
After seeing majority of his possessions/involvements in his games over the last few years, it is pretty clear that Perryman is NOT a player we should be targeting, especially at the wages/years quoted.
In summary:
While I understand the need to replace Noble, it is pretty clear that Perryman is not the answer. In fact, if that’s what we wanted, then Perryman’s fellow-free agent teammate Isaac Cumming is the answer, who is practically a taller, quicker, stronger, better marking version of Noble - noting that Cumming has only received 4-year deals from SA. Someone like Nick Hind is a cheaper alternative.
- He is a very slow player (which most of us know), but this is further exacerbated by the fact that he seems to always coast/jog through play, very rarely taking the game on, which really limits his effectiveness as a rebounder.
- Most of his possessions are uncontested / under no pressure, and consist of chips around the back 50 and wings.
- In the rare occasion that he has the ball under pressure or tries to open up play, he seems to always make an error disposing of the ball (which was a suprise as he has always been talked about as a smart/good user).
- He looks to be a relatively average (if not poor) level one-on-one defender and has shown almost zero evidence of being an effective intercept marker.
- Overall, he just seems to be an awkward style footballer, who is a 5/10 in most areas but doesn’t excel at any particular aspect of the game.
Would love someone else to go through the same exercise and see if they come to a different conclusion. I personally struggle to see any evidence/passages of play to suggest he is worth any more than $450-500k p.a.
While I more than most hope Perryman turns out to be a great player for the club (if he does sign), the more I look at this pursuit the more it wreaks of desperation. We have worked so hard to correct the salary cap, only to fail to find any suitable targets, to the point we are now overreaching for a vanilla run-of-the mill player we don’t need. I personally would rather bank the money for someone that can push us closer to another premiership.
Previously, I have had the same sinking feeling when we traded:
Let’s hope this short-sighted move doesn’t cost us LDU/Brayshaw/Rayner in 2025 or Ben King in 2026.
- Our future 1st in 2020 for practically peanuts (which cost us a 15-year superstar in Fin Callaghan);
- and our future 1st in 2023 (which ultimately cost us Petracca this year).
FWIW - I did the same exercise for James Peatling and have a much more positive outlook on his potential. Looks to be a more dynamic version of James Row-bottom/Jack Steele.
No, it didn’t cost us Callaghan. There is no way North would have allowed us to take pick 2 and Daicos. There would have been a bid on Nick knowing we would need to match.- NEW POSTER & URGENT - RE: HARRY PERRYMAN -
Hi guys,
Been reading these forums for 20 years but felt compelled to register an account and give my thoughts account after seeing that we are looking to offer Harry Perryman a godfather offer to come to the pies.
As an avid footy watcher, I have always thought Perryman was an ok if not average player, but definitely a player that has never stood out.
I think many of us have probably had an inflated view of his quality, based on the fact that he has always been a regular in a pretty strong GWS team.
Anyway, considering the reports that we have offered Perryman a godfather circa 7-year $850k (based on media estimates) I felt compelled to do more research on him.
This led me to a feature on the AFL app which lets you view every possession/contest a player has been involved in during a game over the last few years.
For anyone that wants to do this for themselves go onto the AFL app click on the stats tab and then enter a players name in the search box and then click highlights, and each game will pop up to select.
I did this for Perryman and what I found was pretty underwhelming.
After seeing majority of his possessions/involvements in his games over the last few years, it is pretty clear that Perryman is NOT a player we should be targeting, especially at the wages/years quoted.
In summary:
While I understand the need to replace Noble, it is pretty clear that Perryman is not the answer. In fact, if that’s what we wanted, then Perryman’s fellow-free agent teammate Isaac Cumming is the answer, who is practically a taller, quicker, stronger, better marking version of Noble - noting that Cumming has only received 4-year deals from SA. Someone like Nick Hind is a cheaper alternative.
- He is a very slow player (which most of us know), but this is further exacerbated by the fact that he seems to always coast/jog through play, very rarely taking the game on, which really limits his effectiveness as a rebounder.
- Most of his possessions are uncontested / under no pressure, and consist of chips around the back 50 and wings.
- In the rare occasion that he has the ball under pressure or tries to open up play, he seems to always make an error disposing of the ball (which was a suprise as he has always been talked about as a smart/good user).
- He looks to be a relatively average (if not poor) level one-on-one defender and has shown almost zero evidence of being an effective intercept marker.
- Overall, he just seems to be an awkward style footballer, who is a 5/10 in most areas but doesn’t excel at any particular aspect of the game.
Would love someone else to go through the same exercise and see if they come to a different conclusion. I personally struggle to see any evidence/passages of play to suggest he is worth any more than $450-500k p.a.
While I more than most hope Perryman turns out to be a great player for the club (if he does sign), the more I look at this pursuit the more it wreaks of desperation. We have worked so hard to correct the salary cap, only to fail to find any suitable targets, to the point we are now overreaching for a vanilla run-of-the mill player we don’t need. I personally would rather bank the money for someone that can push us closer to another premiership.
Previously, I have had the same sinking feeling when we traded:
Let’s hope this short-sighted move doesn’t cost us LDU/Brayshaw/Rayner in 2025 or Ben King in 2026.
- Our future 1st in 2020 for practically peanuts (which cost us a 15-year superstar in Fin Callaghan);
- and our future 1st in 2023 (which ultimately cost us Petracca this year).
FWIW - I did the same exercise for James Peatling and have a much more positive outlook on his potential. Looks to be a more dynamic version of James Row-bottom/Jack Steele.
The unknowledgeable pie fans look to be adding Perryman to Schultz in their angst sandwich. Quite comical actually100%. Don't get the love. Slow, not many touches, mostly uncontested, not a lot of tackles, 2.5 clangers per game.
Don't waste salary cap on filler.
When I looked at the YouTube highlights of Perryman posted a few pages back, what did strike me is that his style of game looks like it will seamlessly blend in with the rest of our team and game plan. It looks like he’d suit us.IDK, but Perryman looks much better than some of them quotes. It contradicts the fact that he's been chased by 3 or 4 clubs that we know of. I seriously doubt Peatling could have the same impact in the midfield compared to Perryman. Perryman is a strong mark and a beautiful kick. His lack of pace was well documented in his draft year but only when compared to really qick midfielders of that draft. He still went at pick 14. I reckon we see him as the Pendles replacement running through the middle and half back. Inconsistency is Peatlings problem.
Not a fan?
When I looked at the YouTube highlights of Perryman posted a few pages back, what did strike me is that his style of game looks like it will seamlessly blend in with the rest of our team and game plan. It looks like he’d suit us.
So maybe that’s how Fly sees home making us better.
Either that or he’ll be the best paid whipping boy since Grunders.
Me too-Kinky, Ronnie Wearmouth and Ricky Barham were mine
I'm assuming you're basing this off his last couple of seasons down back. He was averaging 22 disposals per game in 21/22 when he got to play more midfield/wing. One of those season he also averaged 4.8 tackles a game.100%. Don't get the love. Slow, not many touches, mostly uncontested, not a lot of tackles, 2.5 clangers per game.
Don't waste salary cap on filler.
What is the endurance of Perryman like? (Given Hines comments about if you can't cover the ground etc)
A 20 year lurker through two premierships, every scandle, two coaching changes and umpteen trades, but Perryman’s recruitment is what motivates you to post? That’s hilarious!- NEW POSTER & URGENT - RE: HARRY PERRYMAN -
Hi guys,
Been reading these forums for 20 years but felt compelled to register an account and give my thoughts account after seeing that we are looking to offer Harry Perryman a godfather offer to come to the pies.
As an avid footy watcher, I have always thought Perryman was an ok if not average player, but definitely a player that has never stood out.
I think many of us have probably had an inflated view of his quality, based on the fact that he has always been a regular in a pretty strong GWS team.
Anyway, considering the reports that we have offered Perryman a godfather circa 7-year $850k (based on media estimates) I felt compelled to do more research on him.
This led me to a feature on the AFL app which lets you view every possession/contest a player has been involved in during a game over the last few years.
For anyone that wants to do this for themselves go onto the AFL app click on the stats tab and then enter a players name in the search box and then click highlights, and each game will pop up to select.
I did this for Perryman and what I found was pretty underwhelming.
After seeing majority of his possessions/involvements in his games over the last few years, it is pretty clear that Perryman is NOT a player we should be targeting, especially at the wages/years quoted.
In summary:
While I understand the need to replace Noble, it is pretty clear that Perryman is not the answer. In fact, if that’s what we wanted, then Perryman’s fellow-free agent teammate Isaac Cumming is the answer, who is practically a taller, quicker, stronger, better marking version of Noble - noting that Cumming has only received 4-year deals from SA. Someone like Nick Hind is a cheaper alternative.
- He is a very slow player (which most of us know), but this is further exacerbated by the fact that he seems to always coast/jog through play, very rarely taking the game on, which really limits his effectiveness as a rebounder.
- Most of his possessions are uncontested / under no pressure, and consist of chips around the back 50 and wings.
- In the rare occasion that he has the ball under pressure or tries to open up play, he seems to always make an error disposing of the ball (which was a suprise as he has always been talked about as a smart/good user).
- He looks to be a relatively average (if not poor) level one-on-one defender and has shown almost zero evidence of being an effective intercept marker.
- Overall, he just seems to be an awkward style footballer, who is a 5/10 in most areas but doesn’t excel at any particular aspect of the game.
Would love someone else to go through the same exercise and see if they come to a different conclusion. I personally struggle to see any evidence/passages of play to suggest he is worth any more than $450-500k p.a.
While I more than most hope Perryman turns out to be a great player for the club (if he does sign), the more I look at this pursuit the more it wreaks of desperation. We have worked so hard to correct the salary cap, only to fail to find any suitable targets, to the point we are now overreaching for a vanilla run-of-the mill player we don’t need. I personally would rather bank the money for someone that can push us closer to another premiership.
Previously, I have had the same sinking feeling when we traded:
Let’s hope this short-sighted move doesn’t cost us LDU/Brayshaw/Rayner in 2025 or Ben King in 2026.
- Our future 1st in 2020 for practically peanuts (which cost us a 15-year superstar in Fin Callaghan);
- and our future 1st in 2023 (which ultimately cost us Petracca this year).
FWIW - I did the same exercise for James Peatling and have a much more positive outlook on his potential. Looks to be a more dynamic version of James Row-bottom/Jack Steele.
Exactly. Good post.I'm assuming you're basing this off his last couple of seasons down back. He was averaging 22 disposals per game in 21/22 when he got to play more midfield/wing. One of those season he also averaged 4.8 tackles a game.
I very much doubt we are targeting Perryman to play down back, because otherwise I would agree with you.
Out of everything that has occurred at Collingwood in the past 20 years, why has a potential recruitment of Harry Perryman been the thing that motivates you to create an account and comment?- NEW POSTER & URGENT - RE: HARRY PERRYMAN -
Hi guys,
Been reading these forums for 20 years but felt compelled to register an account and give my thoughts account after seeing that we are looking to offer Harry Perryman a godfather offer to come to the pies.
As an avid footy watcher, I have always thought Perryman was an ok if not average player, but definitely a player that has never stood out.
I think many of us have probably had an inflated view of his quality, based on the fact that he has always been a regular in a pretty strong GWS team.
Anyway, considering the reports that we have offered Perryman a godfather circa 7-year $850k (based on media estimates) I felt compelled to do more research on him.
This led me to a feature on the AFL app which lets you view every possession/contest a player has been involved in during a game over the last few years.
For anyone that wants to do this for themselves go onto the AFL app click on the stats tab and then enter a players name in the search box and then click highlights, and each game will pop up to select.
I did this for Perryman and what I found was pretty underwhelming.
After seeing majority of his possessions/involvements in his games over the last few years, it is pretty clear that Perryman is NOT a player we should be targeting, especially at the wages/years quoted.
In summary:
While I understand the need to replace Noble, it is pretty clear that Perryman is not the answer. In fact, if that’s what we wanted, then Perryman’s fellow-free agent teammate Isaac Cumming is the answer, who is practically a taller, quicker, stronger, better marking version of Noble - noting that Cumming has only received 4-year deals from SA. Someone like Nick Hind is a cheaper alternative.
- He is a very slow player (which most of us know), but this is further exacerbated by the fact that he seems to always coast/jog through play, very rarely taking the game on, which really limits his effectiveness as a rebounder.
- Most of his possessions are uncontested / under no pressure, and consist of chips around the back 50 and wings.
- In the rare occasion that he has the ball under pressure or tries to open up play, he seems to always make an error disposing of the ball (which was a suprise as he has always been talked about as a smart/good user).
- He looks to be a relatively average (if not poor) level one-on-one defender and has shown almost zero evidence of being an effective intercept marker.
- Overall, he just seems to be an awkward style footballer, who is a 5/10 in most areas but doesn’t excel at any particular aspect of the game.
Would love someone else to go through the same exercise and see if they come to a different conclusion. I personally struggle to see any evidence/passages of play to suggest he is worth any more than $450-500k p.a.
While I more than most hope Perryman turns out to be a great player for the club (if he does sign), the more I look at this pursuit the more it wreaks of desperation. We have worked so hard to correct the salary cap, only to fail to find any suitable targets, to the point we are now overreaching for a vanilla run-of-the mill player we don’t need. I personally would rather bank the money for someone that can push us closer to another premiership.
Previously, I have had the same sinking feeling when we traded:
Let’s hope this short-sighted move doesn’t cost us LDU/Brayshaw/Rayner in 2025 or Ben King in 2026.
- Our future 1st in 2020 for practically peanuts (which cost us a 15-year superstar in Fin Callaghan);
- and our future 1st in 2023 (which ultimately cost us Petracca this year).
FWIW - I did the same exercise for James Peatling and have a much more positive outlook on his potential. Looks to be a more dynamic version of James Row-bottom/Jack Steele.
Because it’s urgent.Out of everything that has occurred at Collingwood in the past 20 years, why has a potential recruitment of Harry Perryman been the thing that motivates you to create an account and comment?
Because we are overpaying yet again. Seems like we’re just smashing the piñata at a party and waiting to see whose name comes out! Ridiculous money and not targeted at all.Out of everything that has occurred at Collingwood in the past 20 years, why has a potential recruitment of Harry Perryman been the thing that motivates you to create an account and comment?
He'll make a great whipping boy:Either that or he’ll be the best paid whipping boy since Grunders.
Happy to be wrong he’s a genuine gun but I just can’t see it, seems Carlton boundAFL Website
Dan Houston is yet to nominate a preferred club for 2025 and beyond
THEN ...
don't rule out Collingwood. Genuine interest. This club won't be dying wondering in the trade period.
I hope we get him now, purely because it will upset you.Hey guys Tomlinson is so so shit, can we please never mention his name again, he completely sucks will always suck and will never not suck
Actually makes this thread unreadable seeing his name with genuine comments about his footballing ability
Feel like I’m back in 2017 reading this shit about him he is so bad and will probably retire
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Hes hopelessMy issue with Tomlinson is that he’s always played with elite defenders and never been close to being one himself. That’s not to say we’re expecting a star, but playing with stars has made it much easier for him to play as many games as he has.
He’s a below average player, always has been and that’s being kind. The GWS Tomlinson is the most staggeringly overrated player I believe I’ve ever seen. Wanted to scratch my eyeballs out watching his name proposed every year by our supporters and other teams’. GWS moved on from him and became significantly better defensively, and he’s added very little to Melbourne despite playing with May and Lever the whole time.
At least Dunn played in a crapshoot Melbourne with an awful midfield letting in so many entries for so many years.
I’m not convinced Tomlinson is an upgrade on Frampton. We do need to boost depth but I’d rather someone with scope at least. James Blanck can play, and he’s not getting a game at Hawthorn next year.