List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade and FA

[manicpie]

He's not staying. Nor will the club force him too. The deal will be done.

Maybe not for pick 38, we've asked for 12 so 20 and 26 are well and truly in play. He's contacted and 38 isn't enough

 

[magpies42]

All this talk about Housten vs picks is ridiculous.
With Housten you're getting a gun and right now we need guns to win another Premiership.
The fact that people value unknown players (picks) ahead of ready made ones when it's hit or miss when we are in a premiership window is buffoonery.

Trading can also be hit and miss. It’s not like trading in a 30 yo guarantees you a premiership either. We have a bad record of trading first round picks for players

 

[TakingThePies]

The club has already stated that he is a required player, and that an agreeable trade will need to be made.
He’s worth more than 38

Well a clubs not going to sell. "Hey yeah we are going to trade Johnny straight away, doesn't matter about the deal"

They've already had discussions and. I'm telling you, he'll either net a Pick in the 20s or be involved that sees us get Pick 12.

 

[GreekLunatic]

So we might only use 1 pick in the draft it sounds like we want ready made players

 

[jimmy35]

Me too.

Just Perryman keeps us in the equation if we have a good run with injuries. So I'm happy if we just add him and hit the draft.

Perryman and Houston and we're more than just in the equation. That's current Sidey and Pendles upgraded already with our window extended for a few years. That'd be my preference.

Agree

 

[Hardas]

Imagine if Perryman, Peatling and ground control to major Tom all nominated us tomorrow, I'd be beside myself

So, there'd be TWO of you?!?
Look out!

 

[Sweeetleftfoot]

Point to an example where we have traded two first rounders and it has been better than taking the picks to the draft?

Comparing known quantity to unknown quantity is just rubbish.

 

[jimmy35]

Comparing known quantity to unknown quantity is just rubbish.

Not when those unknown quantities will be AA in their first years. Nostraseedsman.

 

[Jen2310]

pre trade picks are done.

Fremantle will be a team to watch in October, with the Dockers holding picks 9, 10 and 16 as they target the likes of Richmond pair Shai Bolton and Liam Baker.


Gold Coast also has three first-round picks - 6, 12 and 20 - as they look to bring in Daniel Rioli and John Noble during the trade period.

The draft order could still change before the trade period begins on October 7, with free agency compensation picks yet to be decided by the AFL.


The likes of Josh Battle, Harry Perryman

36

Harry Perryman

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.8

4star

MG

216.2

3star

D

18.5

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

7.9

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

2star

MG

301.3

4star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

MG

83.2

2star

and Isaac Cumming are among the free agents expected to find a new home in October, which would trigger compensation for their current clubs.


The Free Agency window runs from October 4-11, with the trade period to start on October 7 and finish on October 16.


The 2024 Telstra AFL Draft will be held on November 20-21.

Your club's draft picks as of September 29, 2024​

Adelaide: 4, 25, 42, 60
Brisbane: 18, 56, 69
Carlton: 11, 31, 62, 65, 68
Collingwood: 33, 48, 51
Essendon: 8, 28
Fremantle: 9, 10, 16, 27, 63
Geelong: 15, 35, 53, 71
Gold Coast: 6, 12, 20, 26, 38, 46, 74
Greater Western Sydney: 14, 34, 49, 52, 70
Hawthorn: 13, 30, 67, 73
Melbourne: 5, 37, 45, 50, 61
North Melbourne: 2, 22, 40, 58, 64
Port Adelaide: 36, 54
Richmond: 1, 21, 29, 39, 41, 47, 57, 66, 72
St Kilda: 7, 24, 43
Sydney: 17, 19, 55
West Coast: 3, 23, 59
Western Bulldogs: 32, 44

Indicative Draft Order as of September 29, 2024​

ROUND ONE​
1	Richmond
2	North Melbourne
3	West Coast
4	Adelaide
5	Melbourne
6	Gold Coast
7	St Kilda
8	Essendon
9	Fremantle
10	Fremantle (tied to Collingwood)
11	Carlton
12	Gold Coast (tied to Western Bulldogs)
13	Hawthorn
14	Greater Western Sydney
15	Geelong
16	Fremantle (tied to Port Adelaide)
17	Sydney
18	Brisbane
19	Sydney (North Melbourne assistance package selection)
20	Gold Coast (North Melbourne assistance package selection)

ROUND TWO​
21	Richmond
22	North Melbourne
23	West Coast
24	St Kilda (tied to Adelaide)
25	Adelaide (tied to Melbourne)
26	Gold Coast
27	Fremantle (tied to St Kilda)
28	Essendon
29	Richmond (tied to Fremantle)
30	Hawthorn (tied to Collingwood)
31	Carlton
32	Western Bulldogs
33	Collingwood (tied to Hawthorn)
34	Greater Western Sydney
35	Geelong
36	Port Adelaide
37	Melbourne (tied to Sydney)
38	Gold Coast (tied to Brisbane)

ROUND THREE​
39	Richmond
40	North Melbourne
41	Richmond (tied to West Coast)
42	Adelaide
43	St Kilda (tied to Melbourne)
44	Western Bulldogs (tied to Gold Coast)
45	Melbourne (tied to St Kilda)
46	Gold Coast (tied to Essendon)
47	Richmond (tied to Fremantle)
48	Collingwood
49	Greater Western Sydney (tied to Carlton)
50	Melbourne (tied to Western Bulldogs)
51	Collingwood (tied to Hawthorn)
52	Greater Western Sydney
53	Geelong
54	Port Adelaide
55	Sydney
56	Brisbane

ROUND FOUR​
57	Richmond
58	North Melbourne
59	West Coast
60	Adelaide
61	Melbourne
62	Carlton (tied to Gold Coast)
63	Fremantle (tied to St Kilda)
64	North Melbourne (tied to Essendon)
65	Carlton (tied to Fremantle)
66	Richmond (tied to Collingwood)
67	Hawthorn (tied to Carlton)
68	Carlton (tied to Western Bulldogs)
69	Brisbane (tied to Hawthorn)
70	Greater Western Sydney
71	Geelong
72	Richmond (tied to Port Adelaide)
73	Hawthorn (tied to Sydney)
74	Gold Coast (tied to Brisbane)

2025 DRAFT SELECTIONS TRADED​

	IN	OUT
Adelaide
Brisbane
Carlton
Collingwood
Essendon
Fremantle
Geelong
Gold Coast
GWS Giants
Hawthorn
Melbourne
North Melbourne
Port Adelaide
Richmond
St Kilda
Sydney
West Coast
Western Bulldogs

2024 Draft Value Index​

Round One	Round Two	Round Three	Round Four	Round Five
Pick/Pts​	Pick/Pts​	Pick/Pts​	Pick/Pts​	Pick/Pts​
1. 3000	19. 948	37. 483	55. 207	73. 9
2. 2517	20. 912	38. 465	56. 194	74. -
3. 2234	21. 878	39. 446	57. 182	75. -
4. 2034	22. 845	40. 429	58. 170	76. -
5. 1878	23. 815	41. 412	59. 158	77. -
6. 1751	24. 785	42. 395	60. 146	78. -
7. 1644	25. 756	43. 378	61. 135	79. -
8. 1551	26. 729	44. 362	62. 123	80. -
9. 1469	27. 703	45. 347	63. 112	81. -
10. 1395	28. 677	46. 331	64. 101	82. -
11. 1329	29. 653	47. 316	65. 90	83 -
12. 1268	30. 629	48. 302	66. 80
13. 1212	31. 606	49. 287	67. 69
14. 1161	32. 584	50. 273	68. 59
15. 1112	33. 563	51. 259	69. 49
16. 1067	34. 542	52. 246	70. 39
17. 1025	35. 522	53. 233	71. 29
18. 985	36. 502	54. 220	72. 19

2025 Draft Value Index​

Round One	Round Two	Round Three	Round Four	Round Five
Pick/Pts​	Pick/Pts​	Pick/Pts​	Pick/Pts​	Pick/Pts​
1. 3000	19. 796	37. 297	55. -	73. -
2. 2481	20. 757	38. 277	56. -	74. -
3. 2178	21. 721	39. 257	57. -
4. 1962	22. 686	40. 238	58. -
5. 1795	23. 653	41. 220	59. -
6. 1659	24. 621	42. 202	60. -
7. 1543	25. 590	43. 184	61. -
8. 1443	26. 561	44. 167	62. -
9. 1355	27. 533	45. 150	63. -
10. 1276	28. 505	46. 134	64. -
11. 1205	29. 479

4	48. 102	66. -
13. 1080	31. 429	49. 86	67. -
14. 1024	32. 405	50. 71	68. -
15. 973	33. 382	51. 57	69. -
16. 924	34. 360	52. 42	70. -
17. 879	35. 338	53. 28	71. -
18. 836	36. 317	54. 14	72. -

​

 

[Hardas]

Look at the final four this year
We beat Brisbane twice this year
Outplayed Sydney at their home and should have won if not for foolish coaching
Belted Port
Didn’t catch Geelong but they have a similar age profile so we can do what they did next year

If we can add Houston and Perryman, we can be more than in the mix again. We’ve got flags to win.

I'm on board...

 

[manicpie]

So, there'd be TWO of you?!?
Look out!

I'm manic, there's always 2 of us

 

[Seedsfan]

Comparing known quantity to unknown quantity is just rubbish.

How’d the known quality of Dayne Beams help us?

 

[Seedsfan]

Nah. They've crunched the numbers and are investing in blue chip stock rather than mug punters dreaming of the potential for far greater returns on the roulette wheel

Schultz is the sort of stoke the Wolf of Wall St got rich off. Absolutely nothing blue chip there

 

[Seedsfan]

And that was Wright's decision wasn't it?

He's not there now. Leppa is.

We may be doing things entirely different this year ..?

Looks unlikely as we are aiming to double down

 

[stormskye]

Schultz is the sort of stoke the Wolf of Wall St got rich off. Absolutely nothing blue chip there

And yet he will be a 200 game player.

 

[Apex36]

We won't get 12 for Noble without a big sweetener. People are dreaming

I’m not sure anyone has suggested we’d get 12 for Noble alone. It’s implied that if we were to get 12 in that deal there would be more to it than a straight swap.

 

[tranquilli lace]

How’d the known quality of Dayne Beams help us?

Ignoring the known quantity of Dayne’s off field problems is what cost us

 

[Jen2310]

Rival clubs protecting their own turf with academy and father-son selections might have just handed Brisbane the keys to a dynasty.
Now the big question ahead of the November national draft is whether they at least will force Brisbane to pay a remotely fair price for the brother of the Norm Smith Medallist and his first-round midfield mate.

As the Lions rampaged to the 2024 premiership it was apparent that unlike the brilliant 2001-2003 version there would be no list cliff this team was about to plummet over.

Will Ashcroft only turned 20 in May, Jaspa Fletcher and Darcy Wilmot are also yet to turn 21, Logan Morris is 19, ‘Kobra’ Kai Lohmann is 21.
Keidean Coleman will return from an ACL tear next year as a 25-year old, with Cam Rayner, Zac Bailey

33

Zac Bailey

Age

25

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

12.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

5.6

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

3star

CL

0.7

3star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.6

3star

, Brandon Starcevich

37

Brandon Starcevich

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.2

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

185.3

3star

D

9.5

2star

K

7.3

3star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.1

3star

MG

187.9

3star

D

8.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

181.2

3star

and Jack Payne also playing at 25 next year.

It is downright terrifying for rivals to think that Levi Aschroft will be added to this midfield, with academy teammate Sam Marshall fresh off a dominant best-afield display in the Coates League grand final.

If Ashcroft went at No.1 in the draft Brisbane would be the first team in the modern era to win the flag then actually draft the best overall kid in the land with their own pick.

Hawthorn won in 1988 then traded for the rights to No.1 pick Alex McDonald (St Kilda got Paul Harding, Peter Russo and Robert Handley), while West Coast won in 1992 and traded for the No.1 pick Drew Banfield

Drew Banfield

Age

50

Ht

184cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

12.0

3star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

0.8

3star

(Sydney got Tony Begovich and Scott Watters)

It is absolutely fair that Brisbane secures the same father-son rights as rival clubs – after all Collingwood will get Mick McGuane’s son Tom in the 2025 draft.

And the Lions deserve to take academy prospects like Marshall as they grow the game in the north.

It is about paying a fairer price.

But clubs that nearly rioted when the Suns picked up Jed Walter (pick 3), Ethan Read (pick 9), Jake Rogers (pick 12) and Will Graham (pick 26) last year and laid down their weapons instead of lobbying for instant change to the 2024 bidding system.
Why?

They backed self interest to secure cheaper rates for their own father-sons like Lucas and Ben Camporeale and to preserve draft picks accumulated in 2023 trades.

Carlton and Richmond both wanted to preserve the points value of late picks that the AFL was threatening to scrap.

The Blues accumulated multiple late 2024 picks after trading Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

last off-season.

So in the end after strong club lobbying the AFL not only allowed non-northern states clubs access to talent like Essendon’s NGA player Isaac Kako, they delayed changes to the bidding system to 2025.

It means instead of the Lions having to actually find a ridiculous amount of points for Ashcroft and Marshall, they get 20 per cent discounts on bids and can take them with a collection of back-end picks.

Brisbane has the AFL’s second-worst draft hand behind Collingwod – 18, 56 and 69 – but will find a way to get both players.

Those three picks are only worth 1228 draft points.

If the new changes had come in this year and Ashcroft went at pick 1 and Marshall pick 15, Brisbane might have had to trade out a pair of elite players to match those bids.

Now having allowed the Lions a free ride, clubs might go easy on them again.

In an even draft there is every likelihood Levi Ashcroft might slip down in the top 10 because clubs won’t feel compelled to match a bid when there is a player of similar quality available.
But Richmond should bid on Ashcroft at pick one (forcing their rivals to find 2400 draft points) to ensure it dilutes Brisbane’s draft hand in a national draft where Richmond could have seven or eight picks.

If so the Lions might even have to force Dev Robertson out or trade in their future first-round pick.

The Tigers love bidding on Brisbane academy players.

They bid on Eric Hipwood

30

Eric Hipwood

Age

27

Ht

203cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.3

3star

G

1.5

5star

D

11.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.1

2star

G

1.1

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

8.4

4star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.4

5star

in 2024 (the Lions matched), Connor McFadyen in 2018 (the Lions matched), Noah Cumberland and Will Martyn in 2019 (the Lions didn’t match), and recruited Mabior Chol

18

Mabior Chol

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

5.3

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.3

3star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.2

4star

and Samson Ryan after they were Brisbane academy players.

Brisbane will likely get Marshall for a gift.

Some clubs love Marshall but others believe he could drift outside the top 30 given he’s a hardworking ball magnet of which there are plenty in this draft.

If you don’t dilute a club’s draft hand when you have the chance it can come back to bite you on the butt.

Gold Coast was able to turn its No.4 draft pick last year into at least five first-round selections – the Dogs gave up 10, 17 and a future first-rounder and the Suns kept on-trading those picks to maximise its draft hand.

But this year having taken those four academy kids and still kept an incredible 2024 draft hand (6, 12, 20, 26, 38, 46) the Suns have enough draft capital to pillage Richmond (Daniel Rioli

17

Daniel Rioli

Age

27

Ht

179cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.7

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

179.2

3star

D

8.1

2star

K

4.9

2star

HB

3.3

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.6

4star

MG

144.9

3star

D

9.0

3star

K

3.8

2star

HB

5.2

4star

M

0.8

1star

T

3.8

5star

MG

160.2

3star

) and Collingwood (John Noble

9

John Noble

Age

27

Ht

180cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

186.1

3star

D

14.2

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

149.7

3star

D

18.8

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

229.8

4star

).

Well played Gold Coast, after it lost its co-captains Tom Lynch and Steven May

1

Steven May

Age

32

Ht

193cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

307.3

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

378.4

5star

D

12.4

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

as well as a million quality kids like Charlie Dixon, Jack Martin

21

Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

, Dion Prestia

3

Dion Prestia

Age

31

Ht

175cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.1

5star

K

12.7

5star

HB

11.4

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.2

5star

CL

3.2

4star

D

12.8

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

, Josh Caddy

22

Josh Caddy

Age

31

Ht

186cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.5

5star

CL

2.5

4star

D

13.5

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.7

3star

D

14.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.8

4star

and Jack Scrimshaw

14

Jack Scrimshaw

Age

26

Ht

194cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.8

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.1

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.4

3star

MG

200.7

3star

D

12.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.3

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

167.0

3star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

155.6

3star

.

But the choices made by rival clubs not to make them pay the absolute top price for those academy picks has left them as sitting ducks 12 months on.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-easily-able-to-select-levi-ashcroft-in-draft-with-academy-and-fatherson-crackdown-on-hold/news-story/3ff87d07d5bb498d3632db49de9d58c6

 

[Seedsfan]

And yet he will be a 200 game player.

And?

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Exactly, what ever move we make is a risk. Yet the chance that two players bodies fail them is lower than putting all your eggs in one basket

True but Dan has been pretty durable. Look at his games played.

 

[Apex36]

And these people will be annoyed once trade week starts and GC are offering pick 38.

They’re not going to be stuffing around with players they want this year.

 

[Seedsfan]

Then Noble stays.
Simple.

100% this. Pay the price or **** off

 

[left at home]

Same people bitching about picking up Houston will be celebrating like mad when we add number 17 to the cabinet next year. We are in our window, let's flipping go.

No they won’t, because they only post when we lose

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Looks unlikely as we are aiming to double down

But we don't have anything of value to give away this year? So it's not really the same as last year.

And I happen to see more upside in Schultz next year as opposed to say, Ginnivan, if we're talking about like for like.

Ginnivan played extremely well for Hawks this year, and as you say was on par with Schultz. Schultz reportedly struggled this year with expectations? criticism? family issues? our system? I expect him to improve next year. I expect Ginnivan played the best he can this year with the Hawks, so will he remain the same or perhaps even dip..?

We also don't know if Ginni may have just sulked his way through 23 if we kept him on after he was reportedly miffed by his exit meeting feedback & stopped him going to his beloved Hawks on a longer contract..?

 

[danielnajdek]

Rival clubs protecting their own turf with academy and father-son selections might have just handed Brisbane the keys to a dynasty.
Now the big question ahead of the November national draft is whether they at least will force Brisbane to pay a remotely fair price for the brother of the Norm Smith Medallist and his first-round midfield mate.

As the Lions rampaged to the 2024 premiership it was apparent that unlike the brilliant 2001-2003 version there would be no list cliff this team was about to plummet over.

Will Ashcroft only turned 20 in May, Jaspa Fletcher and Darcy Wilmot are also yet to turn 21, Logan Morris is 19, ‘Kobra’ Kai Lohmann is 21.
Keidean Coleman will return from an ACL tear next year as a 25-year old, with Cam Rayner, Zac Bailey, Brandon Starcevich and Jack Payne also playing at 25 next year.

It is downright terrifying for rivals to think that Levi Aschroft will be added to this midfield, with academy teammate Sam Marshall fresh off a dominant best-afield display in the Coates League grand final.

If Ashcroft went at No.1 in the draft Brisbane would be the first team in the modern era to win the flag then actually draft the best overall kid in the land with their own pick.

Hawthorn won in 1988 then traded for the rights to No.1 pick Alex McDonald (St Kilda got Paul Harding, Peter Russo and Robert Handley), while West Coast won in 1992 and traded for the No.1 pick Drew Banfield (Sydney got Tony Begovich and Scott Watters)

It is absolutely fair that Brisbane secures the same father-son rights as rival clubs – after all Collingwood will get Mick McGuane’s son Tom in the 2025 draft.

And the Lions deserve to take academy prospects like Marshall as they grow the game in the north.

It is about paying a fairer price.

But clubs that nearly rioted when the Suns picked up Jed Walter (pick 3), Ethan Read (pick 9), Jake Rogers (pick 12) and Will Graham (pick 26) last year and laid down their weapons instead of lobbying for instant change to the 2024 bidding system.
Why?

They backed self interest to secure cheaper rates for their own father-sons like Lucas and Ben Camporeale and to preserve draft picks accumulated in 2023 trades.

Carlton and Richmond both wanted to preserve the points value of late picks that the AFL was threatening to scrap.

The Blues accumulated multiple late 2024 picks after trading Paddy Dow last off-season.

So in the end after strong club lobbying the AFL not only allowed non-northern states clubs access to talent like Essendon’s NGA player Isaac Kako, they delayed changes to the bidding system to 2025.

It means instead of the Lions having to actually find a ridiculous amount of points for Ashcroft and Marshall, they get 20 per cent discounts on bids and can take them with a collection of back-end picks.

Brisbane has the AFL’s second-worst draft hand behind Collingwod – 18, 56 and 69 – but will find a way to get both players.

Those three picks are only worth 1228 draft points.

If the new changes had come in this year and Ashcroft went at pick 1 and Marshall pick 15, Brisbane might have had to trade out a pair of elite players to match those bids.

Now having allowed the Lions a free ride, clubs might go easy on them again.

In an even draft there is every likelihood Levi Ashcroft might slip down in the top 10 because clubs won’t feel compelled to match a bid when there is a player of similar quality available.
But Richmond should bid on Ashcroft at pick one (forcing their rivals to find 2400 draft points) to ensure it dilutes Brisbane’s draft hand in a national draft where Richmond could have seven or eight picks.

If so the Lions might even have to force Dev Robertson out or trade in their future first-round pick.

The Tigers love bidding on Brisbane academy players.

They bid on Eric Hipwood in 2024 (the Lions matched), Connor McFadyen in 2018 (the Lions matched), Noah Cumberland and Will Martyn in 2019 (the Lions didn’t match), and recruited Mabior Chol and Samson Ryan after they were Brisbane academy players.

Brisbane will likely get Marshall for a gift.

Some clubs love Marshall but others believe he could drift outside the top 30 given he’s a hardworking ball magnet of which there are plenty in this draft.

If you don’t dilute a club’s draft hand when you have the chance it can come back to bite you on the butt.

Gold Coast was able to turn its No.4 draft pick last year into at least five first-round selections – the Dogs gave up 10, 17 and a future first-rounder and the Suns kept on-trading those picks to maximise its draft hand.

But this year having taken those four academy kids and still kept an incredible 2024 draft hand (6, 12, 20, 26, 38, 46) the Suns have enough draft capital to pillage Richmond (Daniel Rioli) and Collingwood (John Noble).

Well played Gold Coast, after it lost its co-captains Tom Lynch and Steven May as well as a million quality kids like Charlie Dixon, Jack Martin, Dion Prestia, Josh Caddy and Jack Scrimshaw.

But the choices made by rival clubs not to make them pay the absolute top price for those academy picks has left them as sitting ducks 12 months on.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-easily-able-to-select-levi-ashcroft-in-draft-with-academy-and-fatherson-crackdown-on-hold/news-story/3ff87d07d5bb498d3632db49de9d58c6

Lol dynasty talk always happens after a team wins the premiership. It barely ever happens.