List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade Talk 2016 part 2 - see Mod Warning p 281

[Scodog10]

The only way I can see a Brown NM trade working is if Wells attracts band 2 compo and they trade us a third round pick for Brown. Essentially NM would gain Brown and move up 1 round in the draft and we gain Wells and a third round pick. Like you said however we'd be better off keeping Brown for the sake of an extra third round pick. It would be madness to lose both Brown and Frost in the same off season.

Spot on! It's definitely not a scenario that I want to see play out.

 

[Roverjg]

He actually took a while in the AFL to really develop, probably 4 or 5 years IIRC, was nothing real special but also lacked opportunity I guess with one of the best midfields in the comp at the time but I digress.

Gary himself will admit that he was basically lazy. Geelong did not have a good midfield at the time but he wasn't going to get time in the midfield until he gained fitness. It was his team-mates (Mooney and Scarlett) to name two that raised this issue of his attitude vs his ability during a Leading Teams session that the penny dropped for him.

 

[stefoid]

What the??
Surely he's playing mind games...
Meanwhile, Connors confirmed Collingwood key forward Travis Cloke will seek to depart the club with the Magpies keen to free up their salary cap. It is expected Cloke will sign a two-year deal with the Western Bulldogs.
Connors said Cloke has a healthy relationship with Pies coach Nathan Buckley but the pair saw his game differently, and that a deal would likely take an exchange of a later draft pick.
"Collingwood's after a lot of players in this year's trade period and I think they need some salary cap room. I think you'll find both parties come together in a few weeks and work it out," Connors said.
"I think Collingwood wants his money out. It's very mutual, there's a lot of respect. I think Travis has spoken really well – that he's loved the club and really likes 'Bucks' but they're probably just not on the same wavelength from a football perspective.
"I don't think you're going to see pick 35 jump out of any club's pocket into Collingwood's [for Cloke], it's more a free agency type model."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-20/lion-hanley-a-long-way-from-being-traded-says-manager

Perhaps that last bit is about tearing up clokes contract and leaving as a FA? Not sure what AFL-provided 'compo' would be in that case. Assuming a 2 year deal totalling $700, what does the AFL compo-machine spit out?

 

[RupetFan]

I genuinely don't think you've thought the scenario through and just concocted this story so we'll see how it pans out. The reason I say that is Brown is a FA so they have no need to give us any worthwhile currency.

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If North get Brown, it lowers the compo for Wells. If they trade for Brown, the compo for wells isn't effected.

E.g They could be given a late first for Well but getting brown could lower it to a early third.

 

[pablo disco bar]

So marley williams wants to play and party with dustin martin at richmond ey!!??

 

[RupetFan]

How Much Compo would we get for Brown who was not in the Best 22 all year and played a VFL Footy During the Season

He was in 22 for majority of year.

 

[Matt_352]

Cloke isnt a free agent he is contracted

 

[pablo disco bar]

They also have Prestia to deal with which would obviously take precedence. Better judges than me will know - Is Lennon any good? He wants out I think. I've seen glimpses from him but there also seems to be a few gumbies getting games in front of him. Attitude/effort perhaps?

Seems a fair trade imo

 

[Matt_352]

So marley williams wants to play and party with dustin martin at richmond ey!!??

What ?!

 

[Pedro]

Perhaps that last bit is about tearing up clokes contract and leaving as a FA? Not sure what AFL-provided 'compo' would be in that case. Assuming a 2 year deal totalling $700, what does the AFL compo-machine spit out?

I doubt he can be considered a Free Agent of any sort. He has a contract. His choice to tear it up. I might be wrong here, but players who are offered a contract can't be considered DFA's if they decide not to take it up.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Gary himself will admit that he was basically lazy. Geelong did not have a good midfield at the time but he wasn't going to get time in the midfield until he gained fitness. It was his team-mates (Mooney and Scarlett) to name two that raised this issue of his attitude vs his ability during a Leading Teams session that the penny dropped for him.

We don't talk about this around here

 

[Piestration]

But still lacks impact and Him Being Close to his man does not mean that His Oppenent is quiet though.

Grundy is a not a Dumb Player. He has different a style to Witts

What is the opposite to Matrix type reflexes or vision?

What ever it's called, Grundy has it.

 

[Scodog10]

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If North get Brown, it lowers the compo for Wells. If they trade for Brown, the compo for wells isn't effected.

E.g They could be given a late first for Well but getting brown could lower it to a early third.

Under both those scenarios we lose because Brown leaves without adequate compensation. Given you said he's still 50/50 on his future it shouldn't even be a consideration we need to just convince him to stay!

 

[shizzle]

Wow what a great read. A magnificent, unbiased and thorough analysis

Hine out, Bucky in!

Was a quality read, and I think he hit the nail on the head for the most part. However I do disagree with the assessment of Broomhead being a poor kick.

In regards to him being constantly injured drafted hawk has some real insight into why that has gone on so long, with the problem not Tim simply being injury prone as much as it's been a case of him being shockingly managed by club Docs/Physio/Rehab etc.

 

[Roverjg]

We don't talk about this around here

LOL. I did shudder when I typed the word.

 

[TheSierBear]

Disagree that a KPF is a bigger need than a top notch running/crumbing forward like Breust. Fasolo is a mobile marking forward who can crumb a bit. Elliott, assuming he's fit, is the same. Around Moore as a top notch KPF, what we need to complement them is a crumber.

Not many teams are going to be playing two genuine KPFs.

I think I'll have to respectfully agree to disagree on that one. If we can get Tom Lynch, we'd be scary, and Tom Lynch is a far rarer commodity than Breust,
Opposition clubs would be absolutely shitting dacks with a good midfield delivering to Moore/Lynch or Wright. One can only dream.
And I still think another KPF is a need, Moore is still bambi in terms of physical development. Needs a few years in the gym.

 

[Apex36]

What's not to get?

The Cloke's want more money we are not willing to give it to them.

Adios.......case closed!

There's clearly more to it than that, given that Cloke is willing to walk away from Collingwood and play for the Dogs at a reduced salary.

 

[Matt_352]

Caro still waffling on about Gubby getting suspended and having another dip at Ed. Worry about your own dung heap Caro you witch.

 

[Vicky Park]

Yes I'm hoping he can grow into his role.

You mean he needs to elevate his game?

 

[Apex36]

I genuinely don't think you've thought the scenario through and just concocted this story so we'll see how it pans out. The reason I say that is Brown is a FA so they have no need to give us any worthwhile currency.

At the end of the day, if we got Mayne and lost Brown to FA we'd get essentially no compo. By taking Wells as a FA too, even if North were to offer us a pick in the 40's so they don't dilute their FA compo, we'd be much better off than not having Wells and getting nothing for Brown.

Makes sense to me. If Mayne wasn't a factor i'd be inclined to agree with you, but it seems he is.

 

[Mongo Ming]

I doubt he can be considered a Free Agent of any sort. He has a contract. His choice to tear it up. I might be wrong here, but players who are offered a contract can't be considered DFA's if they decide not to take it up.

If both the club and player agree to void a contract, technically he'd be uncontracted wouldn't he? And be old enough to be a UFA. Not sure if there has ever been a precedent here? Sounds like they may be trying to exploit that loophole but I can see the AFL calling shenanigans and quashing it if that's the case.

 

[mike123]

We need a fast small forward who tackles like a maniac and roves the ball well in the fwd50. With these younger mids n half backs taking another step, I really don't know why Varcoe wouldn't suffice up fwd.

Because he doesn't kick enough goals and it robs us of his run and carry.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

Under both those scenarios we lose because Brown leaves without adequate compensation. Given you said he's still 50/50 on his future it shouldn't even be a consideration we need to just convince him to stay!

Yep, not keen on him going. He is the designated whipping boy in the match day threads but that doesn't make him expendable. Regardless of what we in here think of his foot skills, the team needs him.

 

[TW Sherrin]

I doubt he can be considered a Free Agent of any sort. He has a contract. His choice to tear it up. I might be wrong here, but players who are offered a contract can't be considered DFA's if they decide not to take it up.

there was a player a few years ago who the afl allowed his contract to be voided so his club could get FA compo. thinking it was a saint but not 100%.

 

[Anzacday]

there was a player a few years ago who the afl allowed his contract to be voided so his club could get FA compo. thinking it was a saint but not 100%.

Well done.
I have a feeling that's Dal Santo for some reason.