Preview Collingwood v Geelong, 17 March 7.40pm

[cityslick1]

Hang on, so only 500k to Melbourne whilst we have Hawthorn paying that for Titch. GW was apart of the signing Frampton crew so thats incorrect.

Sidey is a veteran and WHE has been serviceable and may or may not lose his spot this year. Ruscoe looks unlikely to make it at this stage but the same was said for Murphy 12 months ago.

He signed Frampton because he was available at the price we could afford, and we were desperate for a 6’ 7” mature defender. Do you seriously think he is preferential to a Ben McKay, if we was available and we had the coin to afford him…

And you’re in fantasy land if you think hawks are paying 500k for Mitch. Still doesn’t matter, he isn’t a bulk deal with money going the other way. That is still being wasted.

Reminds me of Geoff Walsh… “it’s normal to pay other clubs to have your players”. Yeah right Geoff, that was always the plan of doing those deals was it…

 

[magpies42]

COLLINGWOOD’S PREDICTED 23

B: B. Maynard, D. Moore, I. Quaynor

HB: N. Daicos, J. Howe, S. Pendlebury

C: J. Daicos, J. Crisp, S. Sidebottom

HF: J. Elliott, D. McStay, W. Hoskin-Elliott

F: B. Hill, B. Mihocek, B. McCreery

FOLL: D. Cameron, J. De Goey, T. Mitchell

I/C: T. Adams, M. Cox, B. Frampton, J. Noble

Sub: J. Carmichael

Notable absentees: J. Ginnivan (suspended), P. Lipinski (shoulder), N. Murphy

Jon Ralph’s selection dilemma: Collingwood’s line-up is relatively settled but they will have to find another midfielder with Pat Lipinski out for half the season.

With Brayden Maynard back after a minor leg infection it would presumably squeeze out one of Nathan Murphy or Billy Frampton for the clash against a Cats side that could still contain Tom Hawkins as well as Jeremy Cameron.

Frampton played 96 per cent game time as the deepest defender against Hawthorn and while he is untidy by foot at times he is in front of Murphy if the Pies only play one of the pair.

One of Reef McInnes, Oleg Markov or Josh Carmichael will probably squeeze in as the sub, with Carmichael performing well in that role last year.

No way Murphy doesn’t play, our form last year turned with his first game. He is a lynch pin down back, team first defender….fearless. He’ll be one of the first picked. Don’t discount us going in with one recognised ruckman either. These peanut journalists have no clue.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

No way Murphy doesn’t play, our form last year turned with his first game. He is a lynch pin down back, team first defender….fearless. He’ll be one of the first picked. Don’t discount us going in with one recognised ruckman either. These peanut journalists have no clue.

I don’t think it’s that cut and dried….. the journo has done a good job here and has got the team pretty well spot on.

I agree I’d play Murphy ahead of frampton but it’s definitely a toss-up and there’s arguments for both. I’d also pick Reef ahead of Carmichael as sub but that too is a close call.

Re rucks I reckon we will definitely run with two for the short-medium term….mcstay was brought to the club for a reason and he’s already making a difference as the key forward we have been missing. It would be foolish to play him second ruck when the cox/ Cameron combination worked so well last year.

 

[jc37]

No way Murphy doesn’t play, our form last year turned with his first game. He is a lynch pin down back, team first defender….fearless. He’ll be one of the first picked. Don’t discount us going in with one recognised ruckman either. These peanut journalists have no clue.

Murphy was servicable last year and a good role player, however, his whole contribution in the final series in 3 games was 16 disposals, 3 free kicks against, Sam Reid was too big for him. Billy Framptons worst game of 7 last was 13 touches. Interestingly he didnt record a tackle in 7 games! I think Frampton is more an offensive CHB than FB. Murphy is a good role player who needs to provide us more.
I think the last tallish defender is up for grabs in our best 23 with a fight between Murphy, frampton, Ruscoe, Kelly excluding Dean and a few others.

 

[Horaceg]

Murphy was servicable last year and a good role player, however, his whole contribution in the final series in 3 games was 16 disposals, 3 free kicks against, Sam Reid was too big for him. Billy Framptons worst game of 7 last was 13 touches. Interestingly he didnt record a tackle in 7 games! I think Frampton is more an offensive CHB than FB. Murphy is a good role player who needs to provide us more.
I think the last tallish defender is up for grabs in our best 23 with a fight between Murphy, frampton, Ruscoe, Kelly excluding Dean an a few others.

I have a sneaky feeling Murphy might take it up a level this year.

I could be wrong

 

[Finnishpie]

I have a sneaky feeling Murphy might take it up a level this year.

I could be wrong

Ah, sneaky feelings. I have one that Ginnivan Will move onto the wing. I could be wrong too….

 

[domus]

Ah, sneaky feelings. I have one that Ginnivan Will move onto the wing. I could be wrong too….

Ginnivan on the wing is as likely as Coxy fullback!

 

[Gone Critical]

Ginnivan on the wing is as likely as Coxy fullback!

I think that was the point

 

[magpies42]

Murphy was servicable last year and a good role player, however, his whole contribution in the final series in 3 games was 16 disposals, 3 free kicks against, Sam Reid was too big for him. Billy Framptons worst game of 7 last was 13 touches. Interestingly he didnt record a tackle in 7 games! I think Frampton is more an offensive CHB than FB. Murphy is a good role player who needs to provide us more.
I think the last tallish defender is up for grabs in our best 23 with a fight between Murphy, frampton, Ruscoe, Kelly excluding Dean and a few others.

Not saying it’s Murphy or Frampton, could be both with Maynard and Pendles playing further up the ground for a games worth together.

I think stats are not the way to measure a role players impact on the game. Our defence was infinitely better once he came in, and we basically lost one game for the remainder of the season.

 

[domus]

I think that was the point

Yes. I'm slow on the uptake.

 

[magpies42]

I don’t think it’s that cut and dried….. the journo has done a good job here and has got the team pretty well spot on.

I agree I’d play Murphy ahead of frampton but it’s definitely a toss-up and there’s arguments for both. I’d also pick Reef ahead of Carmichael as sub but that too is a close call.

Re rucks I reckon we will definitely run with two for the short-medium term….mcstay was brought to the club for a reason and he’s already making a difference as the key forward we have been missing. It would be foolish to play him second ruck when the cox/ Cameron combination worked so well last year.

Realistically there were maybe 5 spots up for grabs based on last years best 22. 4 if you consider Mitchell a guaranteed starter, Hill made easier due to Gini’s omission. So he has two out of three wrong is what you’re saying…or at least a low confidence probability.

If Hawkins doesn’t play, then do we need Frampton. If we do need him, my bet is that it’s not Murphy that gives way.

 

[Finnishpie]

Ginnivan on the wing is as likely as Coxy fullback!

Yes, Cox at full back! I have a feeling. And Bobby Hill at centre half back. I GOT A FEELING!

 

[Finnishpie]

Realistically there were maybe 5 spots up for grabs based on last years best 22. 4 if you consider Mitchell a guaranteed starter, Hill made easier due to Gini’s omission. So he has two out of three wrong is what you’re saying…or at least a low confidence probability.

If Hawkins doesn’t play, then do we need Frampton. If we do need him, my bet is that it’s not Murphy that gives way.

Who gives way if not Murphy? He himself sad they were competing for the same position.

For what it's worth, but round 5 I think Frampton will be playing VFL.

 

[domus]

Yes, Cox at full back! I have a feeling. And Bobby Hill at centre half back. I GOT A FEELING!

I said I was slow on the uptake. You don't have to dance on my grave.

 

[Apex36]

Hasn’t WHE spent the whole off-season re-training in the backline?


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Yes. And he described Frampton as “messy by foot”, when his field kicking is literally the main strength of his game. Honestly, I don’t think that flog Ralph has watched even a minute of Collingwood this preseason.

 

[Apex36]

Murphy was servicable last year and a good role player, however, his whole contribution in the final series in 3 games was 16 disposals, 3 free kicks against, Sam Reid was too big for him. Billy Framptons worst game of 7 last was 13 touches. Interestingly he didnt record a tackle in 7 games! I think Frampton is more an offensive CHB than FB. Murphy is a good role player who needs to provide us more.
I think the last tallish defender is up for grabs in our best 23 with a fight between Murphy, frampton, Ruscoe, Kelly excluding Dean and a few others.

Basing a defenders worth on the amount of disposals he accumulated is just about the most flawed way to do it. Murphy came in to our defensive 6 who were looking incredibly shaky last year running with Madgen, and immediately had an impact, being accountable for key targets that previously were running riot, and freeing up Moore to play his intercepting game rather than having to keep an eye on two key forwards at a time.

Whilst I agree that Frampton is probably ahead of Murphy as a key defender based on his his sheer size and athleticism, we shouldn’t be playing down Murphy’s worth. He certainly doesn’t need to provide us with more than he did last season, because he was excellent playing his role, despite being undersized.

 

[Big Bryza]

Hasn’t WHE spent the whole off-season re-training in the backline?


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Tiger loving Ralph wouldn't have spent a single moment watching Collingwood pre season, so take his best 22 with a grain of salt.

 

[Big Bryza]

He signed Frampton because he was available at the price we could afford, and we were desperate for a 6’ 7” mature defender. Do you seriously think he is preferential to a Ben McKay, if we was available and we had the coin to afford him…

And you’re in fantasy land if you think hawks are paying 500k for Mitch. Still doesn’t matter, he isn’t a bulk deal with money going the other way. That is still being wasted.

Reminds me of Geoff Walsh… “it’s normal to pay other clubs to have your players”. Yeah right Geoff, that was always the plan of doing those deals was it…

You're living in a world where you can just sign any free agent star and include it in the salary cap. That's not how it works. Blind Freddy can see that Ben Mckay is a better choice than Frammers.

Hawks are paying for Titch and we are paying for Grundy. It's the way it works whether you like it or not.

 

[Big Bryza]

I don’t think it’s that cut and dried….. the journo has done a good job here and has got the team pretty well spot on.

I agree I’d play Murphy ahead of frampton but it’s definitely a toss-up and there’s arguments for both. I’d also pick Reef ahead of Carmichael as sub but that too is a close call.

Re rucks I reckon we will definitely run with two for the short-medium term….mcstay was brought to the club for a reason and he’s already making a difference as the key forward we have been missing. It would be foolish to play him second ruck when the cox/ Cameron combination worked so well last year.

Carmy is the perfect sub for mine. Mid option who knows how to kick a goal or 2. Reef is a little bit one trick pony at this stage, would love to see him make it at AFL level this season though.

 

[Fat Jesus]

Carmy is the perfect sub for mine. Mid option who knows how to kick a goal or 2. Reef is a little bit one trick pony at this stage, would love to see him make it at AFL level this season though.

He came on vs Essendon as the sub and kicked two wonderful goals.

 

[Big Bryza]

He came on vs Essendon as the sub and kicked two wonderful goals.

He and Beau were laughing about that on the Prime podcast last week. Essentially Carmy had free reign to do whatever he wanted as they didn't have time to teach him the game plan so late in the season. He basically just found himself all alone inside 50 and seized the moment on both occasions.

 

[Horaceg]

Who gives way if not Murphy? He himself sad they were competing for the same position.

For what it's worth, but round 5 I think Frampton will be playing VFL.

I’m not sold on Frampton, I could be but I need him to do something convincing. Geelong will give us a better read.

I still have a feeling Murphy will improve on last year, could be some confused feelings rumbling away with last nights Vindaloo.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Realistically there were maybe 5 spots up for grabs based on last years best 22. 4 if you consider Mitchell a guaranteed starter, Hill made easier due to Gini’s omission. So he has two out of three wrong is what you’re saying…or at least a low confidence probability.

If Hawkins doesn’t play, then do we need Frampton. If we do need him, my bet is that it’s not Murphy that gives way.

There are number of possibilities, but I don’t see how that validates your “ these peanut journalists have no clue” comment.

 

[cityslick1]

You're living in a world where you can just sign any free agent star and include it in the salary cap. That's not how it works. Blind Freddy can see that Ben Mckay is a better choice than Frammers.

Hawks are paying for Titch and we are paying for Grundy. It's the way it works whether you like it or not.

Nope... didnt say any of this was possible at the click of a finger. Just used it as an illustration of the gap between where we are at right now, and being a flag threat. In other words... quite a way, with $2m not being a small sum, along with the list changes / profile that would need to be executed

 

[Lings of Geelong]

Think we might have Frampton and Murphy in the team for Round 1. Noble and Naicos to do a bit of wing time, allowing Sidey to spend some time forward in the absence of Lipinski and Ginnivan. WHE to bring his versatility to the sub role.

Howe Frampton Maynard
Quaynor Moore N. Daicos
J.Daicos Mitchell Sidebottom
Hill Mihocek Adams
Elliott McStay McCreery
Cameron De Goey Crisp
Pendlebury Noble Murphy Cox

Hoskin-Elliott McInnes Carmichael Markov