List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[dinnaz]

Draper has been a bit disappointing in the champs so far imo

Ill put my hand up as not being a fan of spending an early pick on him.

 

[Wild Kelly]

Wes Walley is a 2025 NGA prospect as well.

Any chance we could keep him hidden?

 

[stallon]

Are you insane man?? An untested player for one of the best backup rucks going! He’s certainly not a No1 ruck but he’s a very good second!They don’t grow in trees.

We have alternative ruck/fwd options coming through. Jack Williams is the obvious replacement for next year, but we also have Archer Reid and potentially a dual ruck setup of Barnett/Flynn to try when Barnett is ready.
Jack Williams is unlikely to get games with Bailey in the side, we will have to choose one of them at some point and if Jack overtakes Bailey, any value Bailey had will be gone.
Hes worth as much as he will ever be RIGHT NOW.
Hes worth at least a 2nd rounder, probably a pick in the mid 20s. Ed Allan or Hardeman were both first round picks and would be worth roughly that now, especially if North or the Pies were serious.
Could try to swap BW for Hardeman/Allan + upgrade some later picks.

Can easily see BW out of the side by some time next year if we keep him. May as well cash in

 

[maverick001]

Bailey is a young athletic tall that is coming into his prime and has shown he belongs at afl level with the top players rating on the ground in a couple of games in his career .

He is contracted and plays in a position we are very light on for ready made afl quality players in the ruck .

Any trade we have will have to factor in getting a replacement.

Why would we trade him if he doesn't get us anything of value in return ?

A speculative pick in the 20s that ends up in the 30s no thanks

I'm not saying we would trade him, just that if he does get traded then its 20s at best.

Trades for rucks in last 7 drafts:
2017: Lobbe for pick 95
2018: Hickey & pick 60 for pick 39
Jordan Roughead for pick 75 (prob drafted as defender though)
2019: Sam Jacobs for F4
Ryder (& Howard & upgrade from pick 12 to 10) for pick 18 & F4upgrade
darcy Cameron + 62 for pick 56
Zac Smith for pick 58
Pittonet + 61 for pick 54 & 63
Andrew Phillips basically for free (Swap of junk picks)
2020reuss for 31
S.Martin for 63
Hickey & 34 for F2 & swap of junk picks
2021: Ceglar + F4 for F3
Max Lynch & F4 for F3 (essentially)
2022: Jackson + picks 44,67 for pick 13 + F1 + F2
Grundy for pick 27
2023: Grundy for pick 46 + F2
Soldo for 41 + F2 + F4
Sweet for pick 50

Perhaps the best comparison might be the Chol trade last year, given neither is a 1st ruckman & would be expected to contrinute fwd. But Chol would have more currency given he's more proven as a forward. Chol netted GCS a F2 (linked to Bris, so expected to be mid-30s).

That paints a picture that unproven rucks (most of whom at least had the excuse of a lack of opportunity) go for pick 50+. Bailey Williams is anything but a proven ruck

 

[stallon]

I'm not saying we would trade him, just that if he does get traded then its 20s at best.

Trades for rucks in last 7 drafts:
2017: Lobbe for pick 95
2018: Hickey & pick 60 for pick 39
Jordan Roughead for pick 75 (prob drafted as defender though)
2019: Sam Jacobs for F4
Ryder (& Howard & upgrade from pick 12 to 10) for pick 18 & F4upgrade
darcy Cameron + 62 for pick 56
Zac Smith for pick 58
Pittonet + 61 for pick 54 & 63
Andrew Phillips basically for free (Swap of junk picks)
2020reuss for 31
S.Martin for 63
Hickey & 34 for F2 & swap of junk picks
2021: Ceglar + F4 for F3
Max Lynch & F4 for F3 (essentially)
2022: Jackson + picks 44,67 for pick 13 + F1 + F2
Grundy for pick 27
2023: Grundy for pick 46 + F2
Soldo for 41 + F2 + F4
Sweet for pick 50

Perhaps the best comparison might be the Chol trade last year, given neither is a 1st ruckman & would be expected to contrinute fwd. But Chol would have more currency given he's more proven as a forward. Chol netted GCS a F2 (linked to Bris, so expected to be mid-30s).

That paints a picture that unproven rucks (most of whom at least had the excuse of a lack of opportunity) go for pick 50+. Bailey Williams is anything but a proven ruck

Bailey is at least a known quantity, those rucks who went for pick 50+ were not best 22, and werent required players. At the current time BW is in our best 22 and as such would be a required player, as well as being contracted.
Chol wasnt getting regular games, he was clearly not a required player, and GC needed list spots/points for all their academy kids. I dont think GC necessarily wanted him. Id expect BW would fetch a higher price than Chol simply because of this.
Yes BW may not be a better fwd than Chol, but he is a far better ruck, is a couple years younger, and clubs like North dont really have the option to try to underpay for players, they dont get many who voluntarily go to North.
Pies if they want to try for another premiership with the current squad need top up players urgently, otherwise its back to the draft. By now they mustve realised their current players in the 2s arent much chop.
Any other club who might want him would have to bid against these two who are probably top of the queue, so even better for us

That being said we havent seen BW really have a solid go at being a fwd yet, he might get the hang of it in the next month or so

 

[mattyc75]

Curtin 1 could still be a mid though.

Curtin 2 does look good.

Not interested in curtin the mid

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[Obeanie1]

I'm not saying we would trade him, just that if he does get traded then its 20s at best.

Trades for rucks in last 7 drafts:
2017: Lobbe for pick 95
2018: Hickey & pick 60 for pick 39
Jordan Roughead for pick 75 (prob drafted as defender though)
2019: Sam Jacobs for F4
Ryder (& Howard & upgrade from pick 12 to 10) for pick 18 & F4upgrade
darcy Cameron + 62 for pick 56
Zac Smith for pick 58
Pittonet + 61 for pick 54 & 63
Andrew Phillips basically for free (Swap of junk picks)
2020reuss for 31
S.Martin for 63
Hickey & 34 for F2 & swap of junk picks
2021: Ceglar + F4 for F3
Max Lynch & F4 for F3 (essentially)
2022: Jackson + picks 44,67 for pick 13 + F1 + F2
Grundy for pick 27
2023: Grundy for pick 46 + F2
Soldo for 41 + F2 + F4
Sweet for pick 50

Perhaps the best comparison might be the Chol trade last year, given neither is a 1st ruckman & would be expected to contrinute fwd. But Chol would have more currency given he's more proven as a forward. Chol netted GCS a F2 (linked to Bris, so expected to be mid-30s).

That paints a picture that unproven rucks (most of whom at least had the excuse of a lack of opportunity) go for pick 50+. Bailey Williams is anything but a proven ruck

Bailey is a proven 2nd ruck.

Not sure why you compared him to main rucks. He isnt a #1 ruck.

He is an unproven forward and has just started playing forward. Is taking more contested marks. Just needs to start impacting the score board.

 

[Obeanie1]

For this season to be a step in the right direction, 5 wins would be great and we keep pumping games into as many youngsters as possible. But I can see the green shoots

Hoping Clay gets some game time and Burgeil gets a debut. Brockman, if he gets himself right, will be a player. Hough is a potential AA in the future (mind you i said the same about Tom Barass, but also Jeremy Mcgovern). Chesser has shown improvement. The headband player looks okay as well.

However there is nothing that will help more than time and games. Just need to be patient, get a few more players through the draft and FA. Hoping for 2026 we see a big leap, however it more than likely be 2027.

Wonder when Burgiel will get a game.

He has played forward, wing and defense as a junior. I'd rather see him playing a defensive forward role than Jones.


Happy to play Harry Edwards ahead of Rotham.

Hall should come in for Sheed or Gaff. We can't play both in the same side as we lose too much leg speed and pressure.

 

[Obeanie1]

Mid for this year draft

Zac Johnson
Sam Lalor
These two I think will end up better then there draft position both later second round picks for now

Bo Allen WA big inside mid currently having back troubles (Looks better as mid than defender)

Hamish Davis mentioned him a few times could go as a rookie I really like him (think he is incredibly similar to
Nic Martin)

Top end of draft

Finn O'Sullivan lovely kick good endurance a bit slow but good agility needs to get more of the pill
Leo Lombard if he was going to another club than GC think he could be best player in the draft, but
will be hard to play mid behind so many good mids
(think Daniel Kerr he is magic and brings other into the game)
Sid Draper small powerful mid kicking very good pace
Christian Moraes outside more than inside but could change that at AFL level is classy





Bo Allen is playing as a centreman this year in colts looking a lot better there
Love his angry pills he plays with as a centreman

Sam Lalor a late 2nd?

He is being ranked at 8 or 9 atm.

Interested in what leg speed Lalor has. If he has a bit of pace to match his power game I wouldn't be unhappy to downgrade our 1st to land Lalor and Trevaglia.

A big power inside 187cm mid who can play deep forward.

A lighter 187cm running outside mid / half back with good skills and strong overhead.

Both could end up better than FOS, Draper or Jagga who have questions on parts of their games.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I'm not saying we would trade him, just that if he does get traded then its 20s at best.

Trades for rucks in last 7 drafts:
2017: Lobbe for pick 95
2018: Hickey & pick 60 for pick 39
Jordan Roughead for pick 75 (prob drafted as defender though)
2019: Sam Jacobs for F4
Ryder (& Howard & upgrade from pick 12 to 10) for pick 18 & F4upgrade
darcy Cameron + 62 for pick 56
Zac Smith for pick 58
Pittonet + 61 for pick 54 & 63
Andrew Phillips basically for free (Swap of junk picks)
2020reuss for 31
S.Martin for 63
Hickey & 34 for F2 & swap of junk picks
2021: Ceglar + F4 for F3
Max Lynch & F4 for F3 (essentially)
2022: Jackson + picks 44,67 for pick 13 + F1 + F2
Grundy for pick 27
2023: Grundy for pick 46 + F2
Soldo for 41 + F2 + F4
Sweet for pick 50

Perhaps the best comparison might be the Chol trade last year, given neither is a 1st ruckman & would be expected to contrinute fwd. But Chol would have more currency given he's more proven as a forward. Chol netted GCS a F2 (linked to Bris, so expected to be mid-30s).

That paints a picture that unproven rucks (most of whom at least had the excuse of a lack of opportunity) go for pick 50+. Bailey Williams is anything but a proven ruck

Ladhams + 16 for 12 + Future 3rd

Ladhams was 23 and contracted

That probably equals to a low 20s pick.

I just don't see the point of trading a contracted player especially a tall who is coming into their prime for an unknown .
We don't have the best strike rate with 2nd rounders over the years its probably a 50/50 to even get an afl quality player .

I would much rather a player for player trade at least we know the quality

 

[EdCurnowRules]

Wonder when Burgiel will get a game.

He has played forward, wing and defense as a junior. I'd rather see him playing a defensive forward role than Jones.


Happy to play Harry Edwards ahead of Rotham.

Hall should come in for Sheed or Gaff. We can't play both in the same side as we lose too much leg speed and pressure.

Gaff out Hunt in. Sheed probably stays to try and do something about Merrett but get your point about Hall. Would love to see Burgiel make his debut this week in place of Jones who I reckon is bog average and a total list clogger

 

[ghostbat12]

Wes Walley is a 2025 NGA prospect as well.

Haven’t seen him.

 

[swingdog]

Gee, his parents weren't exactly subtle naming him 'Wes', eh?

I swear, each year half of the names in the draft are just made up for shits and giggles.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Talking to a mate who is a diehard Bullies fan. Told him a lot of WC ers were all over Bus.He laughed and couldn’t understand why, when he can’t get a game in the weakest backline in the eight.
But he is West Australian so I can understand the love!!

We suffer from a permanent case of Devitis.

From WA? Out of contract? CAN'T GET A GAME???

 

[chaddy22]

Bailey is a proven 2nd ruck.

Not sure why you compared him to main rucks. He isnt a #1 ruck.

He is an unproven forward and has just started playing forward. Is taking more contested marks. Just needs to start impacting the score board.

By the end of the season we should know which Williams is a better forward/ruck.
Very few teams have two rucks apart from the Dockers.
If we get a second round pick for him i will be happy

 

[random260]

Draper has been a bit disappointing in the champs so far imo

His second champs game he played unbelievable. Last champ game was 20 possesions less impact.

He's at the same level I guess.

How much of that is because of his injury and do we need him to perform better then his last champs.

 

[Flarn Rarn]

We suffer from a permanent case of Devitis.

From WA? Out of contract? CAN'T GET A GAME???

But it's the Kane Lucas! He was tipped as a possible number 1 pick in his underage year.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

But it's the Kane Lucas! He was tipped as a possible number 1 pick in his underage year.

I'm more of a Cale Morton man myself

 

[Obeanie1]

The mid we draft needs to be the rising star winner or be the best mid in year 1.

We need talent that can switch on immediately or we will be on a basket case void.

That rules high ceiling projection players or later pick mids. The players whom will have the best first year are likely FOS or Draper.

We can't afford to have a ginbey/Hewitt type that take time to develop. We need the best first year player.

Not how the 1st round and draft works. No guarantees.

This years draft does not hold a player like Harley. It doesn't.

So, we won't be getting a sugar hit like we have this year.

Only way to instantly improve us next season is trading in role players and free agents to improve our depth. Or use our 1st rounder to trade in a gun, which many say we shouldn't do.

A trade of a Barrass might get us a ready made mid but not likely a top line rising star.

Bulldog ITK poster seem to think the club has a plan to fix the KP defense issue, sounds like a Barrass type coming in there.

 

[DeckedOut20]

As we reach the halfway point of the season, I wanted to take a moment to review our players' performances compared to last season.

Positive = Chess, Waterman, and J.Williams stand out as our top three most improved players.
Negative = Only 10 of the 34 (29%) players that played both this year and last year, have improved.

While some players have faced injuries either this year, last year, or both, and others have transitioned from different clubs or made their debut this season.

Optimistic about seeing further improvements in the second half of the season.

*Data is based off 'Player Ratings' (https://www.afl.com.au/news/453167/player-ratings-frequently-asked-questions)


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If anyone is wondering how our first half of the seasons 'player ratings' stack up in each age bracket, that is below.

Of the 615 players that have played this season, 38 of them are Eagles.

Below is where they rank in their age brackets:

32 Years (25 players): Gov (3rd overall), Cripps (9th), Darling (20th), Gaff (21st)

31 Years (32 players): Yeo (2nd)

30 Years (26 players): Kelly (3rd)

29 years (39 players): Barrass (12th), Hunt (23rd), Sheed (35th)

28 Years (39 players): Duggan (15th), Ryan (25th)

27 Years (45 players): Flynn (23rd), Cole (33rd)

26 Years (59 players): Waterman (6th), Witherdan (27th), Rotham (58th), Jones (59th)

25 Years (47 players): Petruccelle (39th) , Allen (47th)

24 Years (49 players): B.Williams (15th), H.Edwards (23rd), Jamieson (44th)

23 Years (52 players): Hutchinson (34th)

22 Years (54 players): Brockman (32nd), L.Edwards (43rd), Trew (50th)

21 Years (54 players): Chesser (28th), J.Williams (29th), Hough (34th), Culley (49th)

20 Years (34 players): Ginbey (4th), Maric (18th), Long (19th), Dewar (29th), Barnett (33rd)

19 Years (30 players): Reid (1st), Johnston (27th), Rawlinson (30th)

Not breaking news but confirms the thoughts that a handful of older players and a handful of younger players are holding this team together.

Only 2 players (B.Willaims & Waterman) in the top 15 players between 21 years of age & 27 years of age. Allen would usually be amongst that group if it wasn't for injury.

* There are players above 32, however no Eagles, so I haven't included that.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

LIam Baker

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Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

doing Liam Baker

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Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

things again on the weekend. Please for the love of god no....

 

[Obeanie1]

If anyone is wondering how our first half of the seasons 'player ratings' stack up in each age bracket, that is below.

Of the 615 players that have played this season, 38 of them are Eagles.

Below is where they rank in their age brackets:

32 Years (25 players): Gov (3rd overall), Cripps (9th), Darling (20th), Gaff (21st)

31 Years (32 players): Yeo (2nd)

30 Years (26 players): Kelly (3rd)

29 years (39 players): Barrass (12th), Hunt (23rd), Sheed (35th)

28 Years (39 players): Duggan (15th), Ryan (25th)

27 Years (45 players): Flynn (23rd), Cole (33rd)

26 Years (59 players): Waterman (6th), Witherdan (27th), Rotham (58th), Jones (59th)

25 Years (47 players): Petruccelle (39th) , Allen (47th)

24 Years (49 players): B.Williams (15th), H.Edwards (23rd), Jamieson (44th)

23 Years (52 players): Hutchinson (34th)

22 Years (54 players): Brockman (32nd), L.Edwards (43rd), Trew (50th)

21 Years (54 players): Chesser (28th), J.Williams (29th), Hough (34th), Culley (49th)

20 Years (34 players): Ginbey (4th), Maric (18th), Long (19th), Dewar (29th), Barnett (33rd)

19 Years (30 players): Reid (1st), Johnston (27th), Rawlinson (30th)

Not breaking news but confirms the thoughts that a handful of older players and a handful of younger players are holding this team together.

Only 2 players (B.Willaims & Waterman) in the top 15 players between 21 years of age & 27 years of age. Allen would usually be amongst that group if it wasn't for injury.

* There are players above 32, however no Eagles, so I haven't included that.

So Chesser is ranked higher than Hough?

Ok.

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

Wes Walley is a 2025 NGA prospect as well.

Decent player on his day, but goes missing a bit too much for mine.

 

[CountryLad]

His second champs game he played unbelievable. Last champ game was 20 possesions less impact.

He's at the same level I guess.

How much of that is because of his injury and do we need him to perform better then his last champs.

Probably yes to both questions. His injury has meant he hasn’t been able to prepare as well as some of the other top end talent, however you certainly would like to see an improvement in a players development both physically and in performance.

Haven’t had a chance to watch the weekend’s game yet but his issue in the second game was he had zero effort or interest defensively. I’m always wary of players that have major deficiencies they tend to get exposed at AFL level.

Has some really nice offensive weapons which will keep his name being raised as a top pick.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Decent player on his day, but goes missing a bit too much for mine.