List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

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[paran]

Mixed emotions on Jackson.

If Nesbitt thinks it will be the panacea and get us back competing at the pointy end, he needs to understand our list frailties and our poor off-field support and realise we need a massive rebuilding and strengthening period.

There is a world that I would take Jackson.
1. We start the trade period and do a quick deal with Suns or someone else to slide back to the 6 to 7 region and pick up something else like an extra second rounder.
2. Go to Melbourne with 6 or 7 and say that is it. They will do the usual moan but the pre-season draft is a real possibility, not just a threat.
3. Agree with Jackson on a 5 by $800k. As posters have stated, the pot will go up with the new broadcast rights .
4. Get AFL approval to forgo the use of a R1 pick (as suggested in the AFL.COM post this is likely to be ticked off given Luke is only 20 - he turns 21 later this year)

For those who think he is an undersized ruck, I agree. He has a great leap and competes best at the centre bounces. I would play a second ruck who is a round the ground and stoppage mauler (Meeks/Foot/Hickey) and Luke goes back to CHF for the majority of the time.

Folks - he is 20 and about to turn 21. He has a massive amount of maturity left in him and I expect him to be better. We would be getting a lot more than a ruckman. He plays the CHF role well when he has the mids and small forwards feeding off him. WA ere dominant in the U18 carnival in his year. Playing the role with NicNat will be much better than NicNat and Bailey.

Don't forget that Melbourne was seen as the best team half way through the season and he and Gawn were seen as the best combination. Melbourne have been a basket case since the half way mark with the connection from defence to the mids to the forwards being poor. They get the ball often enough but either cannot execute or cannot make the right choices. On top of that they are still coming to terms with their lack of cohesion (May and Melksham punch up exposed part of that)

So we do not overpay - offer him the $800k x 5
Deal with Suns and accept pick 7. Get in addition pick 25 and 32

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Offer Melbourne pick 7 and Gaff where we pay 400k of his 2023 salary or $200k for 2 years. Gaff was a Melbourne supporter - it might be a long straw.
Alternative to Gaff is to give over Bailey Williams as Melbourne's ruck coverage
Get the Lions pick 15 (26 plus 27 for Rioli should do) to go with 20 25 and 38 this gets us clean with the AFL rule if they refuse.

We end up with
Jackson
15 Hewett or Szybkowski
20 Hotton or Hustwaite
25 D'Aloia or one of the Ryans
32 and 38 best available like a Coby Burgiel or Charlie Clark or Darcy Jones

As it stands
2 Wardlaw
20 Hotton or Hustwaite
26 D'Aloia or one of the Ryans
38 Coby Burgiel or Charlie Clark or Darcy Jones

It effectively means we get Hewett and Jackson plus 2 picks in the 30's and lose Gaff and Wardlaw

The great concern with Jackson is the Patton / Boyd factor. Both top pick forwards that never panned out and got big bucks before ever producing to that level. Paying so much for potential is fraught with risk.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Would be pretty happy with the Amon compensation pick (early 2nd round) and Georgiades for Rioli and maybe a future 3rd? Jackson certainly would look better in blue rather than purple but I am more keen to build a great midfield again.

 

[Smeg Head]

Probably worth a later first round pick, wouldnt give up pick 2 for him.

 

[Forward Press]

Probably worth a later first round pick, wouldnt give up pick 2 for him.

If our pick 2 underperforms relative to expectation (like a Cam Rayner), and Naitanui never plays again or at least matches what he's capable of - those two are definite possibilities - then we'd all be regretting not at least negotiating with Melbourne and others to try and get it done. If Freo make an offer too good to refuse, so be it - but I'd hate to completely rule him out simply because we value our pick 2 too much.

 

[Farang83150]

We don't need Jackson , trading to get him hinders our rebuild . If we draft Wardlaw in 2 - 3 years time he may net us a great trade in picks if there is go home factor . Let's get talent through the draft and if there is go home factor we can benefit like Geelong did with Kelly . Don't waste our picks or blow our Salary cap this early in the rebuild.

Exactly, really really hope the best available regardless of position played isn't still the mindset.

 

[Chris_6678]

If we are getting Mitch i would imagine Waterman would want to be looking elsewhere as i cannot see how he fits in a forward line of Darling, Allen and Mitch + Resting ruckman. We also have Jack Williams developing.

 

[twce13]

y'all are nuts. Luke Jackson

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Luke Jackson

Age

23

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

is a rare talent and worth #2.
his measurables, athletic profile and skills are a rare combination. he isn't just some lumbering ruckman, but a genuine addition around the ground.

anyway my crazy trade proposal:

pick 2 + 38 for jackson and future 2nd.

rioli to port for future 2nd.

3 future 2nds (ours, port, mel) to GC for pick 7 and 43.

jackson, pick 7, 20, 26, 43
leggo.

 

[Godfather32]

If our pick 2 underperforms relative to expectation (like a Cam Rayner), and Naitanui never plays again or at least matches what he's capable of - those two are definite possibilities - then we'd all be regretting not at least negotiating with Melbourne and others to try and get it done. If Freo make an offer too good to refuse, so be it - but I'd hate to completely rule him out simply because we value our pick 2 too much.

But is Jackson that good a ruckman? Honestly nothing about him screams to me that we need to trade our highest draft pick in years and use a boatload of salary to secure him as our number 1 ruck

 

[timeforanother22]

Would be pretty happy with the Amon compensation pick (early 2nd round) and Georgiades for Rioli and maybe a future 3rd? Jackson certainly would look better in blue rather than purple but I am more keen to build a great midfield again.

TBH the thought of getting Meek excites me more than getting Jackson?

 

[WestCoast05]

Pick 2 may get it done and I'd be happy to part with it, probably no more than that. Still think he is Freo bound, though, and forcing them to overspend is still a good result.

I'm not so sure it is. Not directing this at you, cos I realise may be tongue in cheek but I noticed a lot of posters are saying it...

My understanding was there was a gentlemen's agreement between the two WA clubs not to interfere with each other's trades because that drives the trade price up of WA headed talent.
Freo/Bell went and shat on that deal when they interfered with our TK trade. That's not good for both clubs and only serves to benefit our East Coast powerhouse rivals.
Realistically we don't want to interfere anyway because any bidding war means we're actually paying a premium if we outbid Freo for a player - in both wages and trade capital.

Giving a toss what the other WA side is up to is such an insecure Freo thing - our highest priority should be our next premiership rather than one-upping Freo.
So that means staying out of the way in their trades so that they stay out the way of our trades and therefore we pay less in the long run.
Freo's Grand Final is one-upping us in anyway - Our Grand Final is, y'know, the actual Grand Final.

 

[TerryFilk]

What would Collingwood want in return for Grundy?

I’m just trying to come up with a stupid multi team trade.

It’s hard to value Grundy considering he arguably is the worst contract in the comp, but with Melbourne being red hot on him, you’d think the Pies will ask for a late 1st? Will be interesting to see how that one plays out

 

[Farang83150]

I’m not an English fan in terms of ruck work but if want a capable ruck around the ground. Jackson’s projection. Why not load up on mids this year and next and just grab English as a restricted free agent in 2024. Coincidentally when Nic Nats contract ends.

Costs you nothing compared to Jackson.

Yeah this is what I'm into, get the board set up over the next few years then add the last piece, a ruckman.
Also as Bondy said, stock up on mids and reap the rewards, even if they want to go home we get more high picks.
And we defo can't trade any of next year's picks this year...FT.
Anyone in need of a laugh/pick me up, head over to the PA board and check out the price tag some are trying to justify for MG

 

[Keys]

As late as last night, Jackson to Fremantle was considered a foregone conclusion. Freo had pitched a role as a supersized mid or something shit that had Jackson all excited

All of a sudden, he’s now just wanting to return to WA. It’s interesting that it’s based on a release from Melbourne who’s interests are best served by a bidding war. Nothing direct from Jackson or his management

Still think he goes to Fremantle

Do find it funny now though that some people mocked Nisbett for saying he still considered us a chance of landing Jackson. So whilst it may well be time for him to move on, perhaps he still does have some idea of what he’s doing.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Do find it funny now though that some people mocked Nisbett for saying he still considered us a chance of landing Jackson. So whilst it may well be time for him to move on, perhaps he still does have some idea of what he’s doing.

Yeah, but he didn't get us pick 80 for Brander so what does he know?

 

[Inside Bull]

What would Collingwood want in return for Grundy?

I’m just trying to come up with a stupid multi team trade.

I wonder if it is one of those ones which depend on how much of the contract value (if any) stays with Collingwood. Can see it being fairly cheap if Melbourne take it all. Not sure what is being proposed though. Maybe a late first rounder is a good starting point

 

[TerryFilk]

As late as last night, Jackson to Fremantle was considered a foregone conclusion. Freo had pitched a role as a supersized mid or something s**t that had Jackson all excited

All of a sudden, he’s now just wanting to return to WA. It’s interesting that it’s based on a release from Melbourne who’s interests are best served by a bidding war. Nothing direct from Jackson or his management

Still think he goes to Fremantle

Do find it funny now though that some people mocked Nisbett for saying he still considered us a chance of landing Jackson. So whilst it may well be time for him to move on, perhaps he still does have some idea of what he’s doing.

Unless we’re splitting the first and still using one in this draft whilst also keeping our future 1st, I’d want no part in a Jackson deal.

If you can deal say pick 2 for multiple GWS or GCS firsts and then trade 4 or 5 + 20 for Jackson, whilst keeping the other 1st in that deal, that’d be a huge win for sure.

I would not give up pick 2 for him or our future 1st, Jackson’s a luxury player, a good player but I have serious doubts he ever becomes a dominant ruck and he’s horrible as a forward. Admittedly I’m not as high on him as most

 

[pantskyle]

With a very real possibility of grabbing him for nothing in the PSD pick 2 should be off the table. I'd have no concerns about North swooping, they won't agree the deal with him and take him without notice, they are also working on other players who arguably they can grab in the PSD.

 

[Altum Volantes]

If they’d do pick 2 (which is really pick 3), straight up, that would be a fair trade.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Unless we’re splitting the first and still using one in this draft whilst also keeping our future 1st, I’d want no part in a Jackson deal.

If you can deal say pick 2 for multiple GWS or GCS firsts and then trade 4 or 5 + 20 for Jackson, whilst keeping the other 1st in that deal, that’d be a huge win for sure.

I would not give up pick 2 for him or our future 1st, Jackson’s a luxury player, a good player but I have serious doubts he ever becomes a dominant ruck and he’s horrible as a forward. Admittedly I’m not as high on him as most

If we could somehow get Jackson while keeping a top 5 pick as well as next year's first, I reckon everyone would trip over themselves to sign that deal.

Can't see it happening.

 

[TerryFilk]

With a very real possibility of grabbing him for nothing in the PSD pick 2 should be off the table. I'd have no concerns about North swooping, they won't agree the deal with him and take him without notice, they are also working on other players who arguably they can grab in the PSD.

Luke Jackson is not walking to the PSD, if he really wants us, we could of course leverage that to an extent though, but I’m convinced him just saying he wants to go to a WA club is more of a favour to Melbourne to ensure they get the best possible deal from Fremantle.

 

[Farang83150]

With a very real possibility of grabbing him for nothing in the PSD pick 2 should be off the table. I'd have no concerns about North swooping, they won't agree the deal with him and take him without notice, they are also working on other players who arguably they can grab in the PSD.

You seriously think there a chance of LJ going to the PSD?
Sounds like hens teeth and rocking horse sh!t to me.

 

[Keys]

Unless we’re splitting the first and still using one in this draft whilst also keeping our future 1st, I’d want no part in a Jackson deal.

If you can deal say pick 2 for multiple GWS or GCS firsts and then trade 4 or 5 + 20 for Jackson, whilst keeping the other 1st in that deal, that’d be a huge win for sure.

I would not give up pick 2 for him or our future 1st, Jackson’s a luxury player, a good player but I have serious doubts he ever becomes a dominant ruck and he’s horrible as a forward. Admittedly I’m not as high on him as most

I’m very mixed on Jackson. Not convinced he’s the best use of our draft capital and salary cap

Too many eggs in one basket

I don’t see how it happens but as you’ve suggested, if we can bring in Jackson using 2 and 20 whilst acquiring a first round pick from somewhere that’d be a great result. Seems unrealistic though

 

[Chad in Vegas]

A good big man is much harder to find than a midfielder, the draft has been littered with midfielders drafted later in the draft who have had great careers.

How many big men have done that, will a quality mid make the difference next year, why not get a quality big whilst we can, who can learn off Nic.

I would give up pick 2 in a heartbeat for him.

Heaps;

Gawn - pick 34
Cox - Rookie
Mumford - pick 57
Nankervis - pick 35
Witts - pick 67
Jacobs - Rookie
Darcy - pick 38
Goldstein - pick 37

 

[boondy]

Would be pretty happy with the Amon compensation pick (early 2nd round) and Georgiades for Rioli and maybe a future 3rd? Jackson certainly would look better in blue rather than purple but I am more keen to build a great midfield again.

Is Gossage spitballing or genuine media contacts knowledge , the Meek one to the Eagles intrigues me .

 

[Godfather32]

With a very real possibility of grabbing him for nothing in the PSD pick 2 should be off the table. I'd have no concerns about North swooping, they won't agree the deal with him and take him without notice, they are also working on other players who arguably they can grab in the PSD.

Kind of works for Cockburn as well. Peter Bell can just say well if you don't trade him to us for what we're offering he'll probably just walk to the Eagles in the PSD