List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

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[Biggie]

Do we know why there seems to be a player exodus from Freo then? They are playing well, made finals and should be serious contenders but at least 5 are wanting to leave (their own home state as well).

Lobb
Tucker
Acres
Meek
Logue

Is there a cultural problem (or some other issue) under Bell?

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[Sammy J]

While it seems like a foregone conclusion that Jackson is Freo bound, they do need A LOT to go right to get the capital they need to satisfy Melbourne.

All we’d need to do is find a buyer on splitting pick 2 so we retain a high pick but give Melbourne something of more value. Our deal is straight forward.

All depends on how hell bent Jackson is for Freo. Where there’s smoke there’s fire though, so fair to assume these deals are already effectively done.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I've been told we either met with him or his management but not sure how serious it got

Oh I just rate him generally, I don’t want him. We don’t need him, for the same reason that he was playing out of position at Freo. We’re well stocked for key backs.

But there’s plenty of teams over east that aren’t.

 

[Tugga27]

Do we know why there seems to be a player exodus from Freo then? They are playing well, made finals and should be serious contenders but at least 5 are wanting to leave (their own home state as well).

Lobb
Tucker
Acres
Meek
Logue

Is there a cultural problem (or some other issue) under Bell?

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Lobb has wanted to go to Melbourne for a few years.
Tucker and Meek not getting games.
Acres lowballed so leaving for more money.
Logue wants to play in defence and was lowballed initially as well.

 

[Elite Pete]

Damien Barrett (in his rubbish article) suggests there is a big chance Bruhn ends up in the PSD due to GWS playing hard ball with the Cats. Surely if the Roos don’t (likely will) we do take him if it plays out that way.

 

[WestCoast05]

Any thoughts from posters on maybe speaking to Gaff or his manager about a potential trade?
Miguel?

It's not happening. He's not worth much coming back our way and we'd have to pay part of his salary anyway - so not worth the Vic media gloating fest.
The better option is just to do the honourable thing and see the contract through. There's at least a bit of mileage and benefit in that image and reputation wise for the club.

 

[eaglespremiers]

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He legitimately looks like he's the son of Weird Al:

 

[CountryLad]

Damien Barrett (in his rubbish article) suggests there is a big chance Bruhn ends up in the PSD due to GWS playing hard ball with the Cats. Surely if the Roos don’t (likely will) we do take him if it plays out that way.

Vic Media will do Vic Media things.
The whole silly season is now being played out in the media it’s becoming the political arena of the AFL…. It’s all in the spin
Not sure it’s ethical but with all of the Eagles millions I’d be making some donations to the SEN and Fox Footy Xmas party if you want your club to be looked on favourably.

 

[Mop]

While it seems like a foregone conclusion that Jackson is Freo bound, they do need A LOT to go right to get the capital they need to satisfy Melbourne.

All we’d need to do is find a buyer on splitting pick 2 so we retain a high pick but give Melbourne something of more value. Our deal is straight forward.

All depends on how hell bent Jackson is for Freo. Where there’s smoke there’s fire though, so fair to assume these deals are already effectively done.

Does it?
Freo refusing to trade Lobb surely must be a sign they're not 100% confident.
Do they really need Darcy, Lobb and Jackson?

 

[Obeanie1]

Logue has been the laughing stock of this board since he was drafted. Wouldn’t get a game at most clubs. Tucker is a nobody. Acres played one good year, give you that

What?

Logue the laughing stock of this board?

Um.....dont think so.

 

[Elite Pete]

Vic Media will do Vic Media things.
The whole silly season is now being played out in the media it’s becoming the political arena of the AFL…. It’s all in the spin
Not sure it’s ethical but with all of the Eagles millions I’d be making some donations to the SEN and Fox Footy Xmas party if you want your club to be looked on favourably.

100% this is crazy he had a go at the interstate clubs GWS, Eagles and Crows and there trading.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

It's not happening. He's not worth much coming back our way and we'd have to pay part of his salary anyway - so not worth the Vic media gloating fest.
The better option is just to do the honourable thing and see the contract through. There's at least a bit of mileage and benefit in that image and reputation wise for the club.

I don't agree with that. If we could get rid of him for nothing in return and only paying 300k of his salary that would be an absolute bargain. He should have spent most of the year in the WAFL given how badly he is going. I think we should have been a lot more brutal and hard nosed with him and tried a lot harder to convince him to go.

 

[Obeanie1]

That was the hypothetical I was working off. I think you’ll find you’re the one who then expanded it to having a “mature conversation” with all players over 30.

If Gaff under contract asked to move back to Melbourne due to a change in circumstance, yes, have the conversation.

Telling him to explore his options because he’s not getting an extension beyond 2024, no, I think that’s inappropriate.

No you brought up Rioli and the club being hypocrits and treating players like assets. A very general statement.

That has nothing to do specifically with Gaff and the Suns.

So now its ok for a player to ask due to change of circumstances.

But its not ok for the club to ask now circumstances have changed?

Not TELL the player........to ASK the player is a mature respectful manner. There is a difference. THAT is the point.

 

[Obeanie1]

Am I the only person outside of Freo, North and apparently Richmond that actually rates Logue?

He’s a quality key back. If people are writing him off based on his performance this year as a key forward/makeshift ruck that’s a bit unfair. He was shoved into an unfamiliar role because his team had a surplus of quality key backs.

Logue is a good player.

Better defender than forward. Been played out of position.

Reported Freo seriously low balled him on the first offer, then doubled it. And was still way unders what North offered.

 

[DanWCE]

Does it?
Freo refusing to trade Lobb surely must be a sign they're not 100% confident.
Do they really need Darcy, Lobb and Jackson?

Freo refusing to trade Lobb is just pumping up his value. I don't think it'll end up in a Mitch Brown situation where we genuinely wanted to hang onto him at all costs

 

[Obeanie1]

I don't agree with that. If we could get rid of him for nothing in return and only paying 300k of his salary that would be an absolute bargain. He should have spent most of the year in the WAFL given how badly he is going. I think we should have been a lot more brutal and hard nosed with him and tried a lot harder to convince him to go.

Gaff 2022 is the first year he has been impacted due to injury. Preseason was interupted and a knee issue saw him miss three weeks. He never looked like he reached peak fitness in 2022.

And we still used him on ball when he is a winger.

IMO I think Gaff is rated much higher by the Eagles and others than most on here do. He always had limitations. But when you cant get match fit 99% of players struggle.

 

[ziad]

Vic Media will do Vic Media things.
The whole silly season is now being played out in the media it’s becoming the political arena of the AFL…. It’s all in the spin
Not sure it’s ethical but with all of the Eagles millions I’d be making some donations to the SEN and Fox Footy Xmas party if you want your club to be looked on favourably.

Certainly the silly season. Two years ago I was fed up with the obvious silliness so I tested the water with a fake 'inside story' that Gaff agreed to go to Melbourne in return fot something I made up. I only got 20 pages of discussion. Some quite emotive.

 

[Obeanie1]

Damien Barrett (in his rubbish article) suggests there is a big chance Bruhn ends up in the PSD due to GWS playing hard ball with the Cats. Surely if the Roos don’t (likely will) we do take him if it plays out that way.

No way does Bruhn go the psd and get to the Cats.

North and Hawks are pretty keen.

Essendon need a plalyer like him as well.

What pick is Geelong in the psd?

He would need to be passed by 16/17 other clubs, 9 in Victoria.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

No you brought up Rioli and the club being hypocrits and treating players like assets. A very general statement.

Nope. You were the one who expanded it from Gaff to all over 30s.

The club would be remiss not to ask all our 30 and older players if they would entertain a trade.

Find a post of mine before that that was talking about anything but the “Gaff to Gold Coast” ludigestion.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Gaff 2022 is the first year he has been impacted due to injury. Preseason was interupted and a knee issue saw him miss three weeks. He never looked like he reached peak fitness in 2022.

And we still used him on ball when he is a winger.

IMO I think Gaff is rated much higher by the Eagles and others than most on here do. He always had limitations. But when you cant get match fit 99% of players struggle.

I would love to see him moved on. Injury or not he contributed so little this year that he shouldn't have been in the 22, especially in the second half of the year when we were not struggling so much to have players to choose from.

I don't know what drugs Sanchez is on that he thinks it is "inappropriate" to have a conversation with Gaff telling him he won't be getting another contract after this one. That is called honesty, professionalism and clear communication. If thats where things sit with Gaff, or any other players from the club's point of view, then why wouldn't you tell them that? Is it better to lie to him and tell him everything is great, his performances have been superb and we can't wait to give him another 6 year contract?

 

[shooshka]

I don't agree with that. If we could get rid of him for nothing in return and only paying 300k of his salary that would be an absolute bargain. He should have spent most of the year in the WAFL given how badly he is going. I think we should have been a lot more brutal and hard nosed with him and tried a lot harder to convince him to go.

So if Gaff is conservatively on $800k (some reports have that number higher... but who knows with the made up media numbers) - you are suggesting another team will happily pay him $500k (after we chip in $300k)?

And in the same sentence you suggest his form was WAFL standard?

How on earth would we get a team to bite at that offer. Basically we would have to pay most of his salary ($600k), bring in a cheaper draftee ($100k) and pocket only $100k in salary cap saving. All the while the team who picked him up is hoping he gets injury free and back to middle-of-the-road-or-better winger (he probably doesn't go to elite again based on age and the way the game has changed).

For that sort of deal we are better off holding on to him, with the proviso that the match committee needs to have the backbone to send him to the WAFL if he isn't the best option in the side.

 

[Bacchus]

Vic Media will do Vic Media things.
The whole silly season is now being played out in the media it’s becoming the political arena of the AFL…. It’s all in the spin
Not sure it’s ethical but with all of the Eagles millions I’d be making some donations to the SEN and Fox Footy Xmas party if you want your club to be looked on favourably.

Why?

They’d take the money and still bash you.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

So if Gaff is conservatively on $800k (some reports have that number higher... but who knows with the made up media numbers) - you are suggesting another team will happily pay him $500k (after we chip in $300k)?

And in the same sentence you suggest his form was WAFL standard?

How on earth would we get a team to bite at that offer. Basically we would have to pay most of his salary ($600k), bring in a cheaper draftee ($100k) and pocket only $100k in salary cap saving. All the while the team who picked him up is hoping he gets injury free and back to middle-of-the-road-or-better winger (he probably doesn't go to elite again based on age and the way the game has changed).

For that sort of deal we are better off holding on to him, with the proviso that the match committee needs to have the backbone to send him to the WAFL if he isn't the best option in the side.

No team would pay him 500k. The other poster was saying no point trading him if we can't get anything back. My argument is, forget getting anything back, if we could get rid of him and get nothing back and even just pay 40% of his salary, i.e. 300k or thereabouts, that would still be a bargain for us. But no team would take that deal. I don't think anybody would bite even if we paid 500k of his 800k salary and they got him for free.

 

[WCE_phil]

So if Gaff is conservatively on $800k (some reports have that number higher... but who knows with the made up media numbers) - you are suggesting another team will happily pay him $500k (after we chip in $300k)?

And in the same sentence you suggest his form was WAFL standard?

How on earth would we get a team to bite at that offer. Basically we would have to pay most of his salary ($600k), bring in a cheaper draftee ($100k) and pocket only $100k in salary cap saving. All the while the team who picked him up is hoping he gets injury free and back to middle-of-the-road-or-better winger (he probably doesn't go to elite again based on age and the way the game has changed).

For that sort of deal we are better off holding on to him, with the proviso that the match committee needs to have the backbone to send him to the WAFL if he isn't the best option in the side.

We'd have to pay 500k of his salary most likely and a 3 way trade where a pick goes to GC for Sharp if that was the path we wanted to take.

Now if Gaff is back at full fitness and you are a contender or potential contender needing extra run then Gaff at 300k a year is a pretty sweet deal for a couple of years. Add a third year at 500k to the contract so he's on 2.1 over 3 years and for the first two you are literally paying him 3rd year player wages.

It could get us a future second which could go to gold coast or we just keep the future second.

Start bringing contract payments forward over 2023.2024 and then go really hard at a couple of free agents.

 

[Into The Black]

Freo refusing to trade Lobb is just pumping up his value. I don't think it'll end up in a Mitch Brown situation where we genuinely wanted to hang onto him at all costs

I actually think Freo want to hang on to him. He has always said he wants to play as a forward and not a ruck. If they get Jackson then Lobb could play predominantly as a forward.