List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

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[Deplorable trumpster]

Port have quite literally stopped caring about rioli.

Id be carefully pointing this out and comparing it to how our club has looked after him….

If i was Rioli i would be thinking that the only way i get to Port via a trade is if the whole JHF thing collapses and it collapses early enough that there is still time to do a deal. If the JHF thing goes right up to 10 mins before trade deadline and then collapses there night not be enough time to do any deals.

What we don't know is are his bridges so badly burned within WCE that he couldn't come back?

 

[Godfather32]

Because we have a player that wants to head to Port as well. It makes sense to get involved provided the deal works for us as well.

At this point it's clear that Port are going to be campaigners and not offer anything close to Rioli's value.
I wouldn't even bother talking with them anymore, just wipe our hands of it and tell Rioli to find another club to get traded to or it's the PSD.
There's no way we need to take unders for pick 2. Just take the pick or wait for draft day for an offer that is massively overs if one comes

 

[Schtinker]

Well hold off reminiscing about how weak we were and enjoy this trade period, we it seems that we have grown a pair

Too early to call...trade period isn't over yet and the PieMan likes the limelight.

 

[Schtinker]

Why are we interested in Devon Robertson?

If he had any common sense, he would be pushing to come here already. Now

Instead what will happen is that with Dunkley and Ashcroft coming on board he will be pushed further down the pecking order and be starved of opportunities, and then at the end of next year he will come cap in hand to the eagles to belatedly facilitate a trade that will save/extend his career

I get that he is a "loyal" person, but from a managerial and game time perspective remaining at Brisbane is just foolish. Yes Brisbane could win a flag in 2023, but would you expect him to play in it? Unlikely IMO

The kid can play, but at the same time we shouldn't be expected to be his safety net either

Because he is the messiah. Chosen to lead us out of the wilderness known as the bottom 8

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Vic media desperately dreaming of North ending up with our pick 2 as part of a JHF deal.

Can't they just get Rhino on to shut it down and move onto another topic?

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Why are we interested in Devon Robertson?

If he had any common sense, he would be pushing to come here already. Now

Instead what will happen is that with Dunkley and Ashcroft coming on board he will be pushed further down the pecking order and be starved of opportunities, and then at the end of next year he will come cap in hand to the eagles to belatedly facilitate a trade that will save/extend his career

I get that he is a "loyal" person, but from a managerial and game time perspective remaining at Brisbane is just foolish. Yes Brisbane could win a flag in 2023, but would you expect him to play in it? Unlikely IMO

The kid can play, but at the same time we shouldn't be expected to be his safety net either

He might be pushing. The "required player" comment could be just a negotiating position from Brisbane reminding us that he is under contract and has not been told he is not best 25 and not likely to have a future at the club as they apparently did with Witherden. I wouldn't take it as Brisbane saying he is untradeable but more as they are saying it will cost us something.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Vic media desperately dreaming of North ending up with our pick 2 as part of a JHF deal.

Can't they just get Rhino on to shut it down and move onto another topic?

Na I'm happy with JHF being linked to pick 2, especially if Nth is set on it now. Means Port have to make us happy (including a suitable deal for Rioli) to get it off us, they aren't walking away from JHF

 

[briztoon]

And a Daniel Curtin / Koltyn Tholstrup pairing would be even better.

Then if we could manage the draft so that we picked up Mitchell Edwards with an early second and then position ourselves to add Riley Hardeman.

Get Livingston through the NGA.

Now that would be a sensational draft haul.

I wanted to mention Tholstrup, but I don’t know where you’re getting a potential top 6 pick from.

 

[ziad]

Na I'm happy with JHF being linked to pick 2, especially if Nth is set on it now. Means Port have to make us happy (including a suitable deal for Rioli) to get it off us, they aren't walking away from JHF

Effectively we allow this to up the ante on North and Port. We own #2.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Finishing last two years in a row and losing the bloke they chose with their first pick one after a year is the most exciting thing that's happened to them?

lolnorf

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I've had further thoughts.

I'm half prepared to do pick 2 and Rioli for pick 8, Ports future 1st, and Norths future second.

Would work out at pick 8, pick 12 (next year) and pick 19 (next year).

Otherwise **** off.

 

[juddy_Like]

I've had further thoughts.

I'm half prepared to do pick 2 and Rioli for pick 8, Ports future 1st, and Norths future second.

Would work out at pick 8, pick 12 (next year) and pick 19 (next year).

Otherwise * off.

That deal would suck for North.

JHF is a 18 odd pick upgrade?

 

[kranky al]

Finishing last two years in a row and losing the bloke they chose with their first pick one after a year is the most exciting thing that's happened to them?

lolnorf

 

[Forward Press]

I've had further thoughts.

I'm half prepared to do pick 2 and Rioli for pick 8, Ports future 1st, and Norths future second.

Would work out at pick 8, pick 12 (next year) and pick 19 (next year).

Otherwise * off.

North aren't going to throw more into the pot, let's be realistic here. They're already losing JHF and have none of Port's or WC's players going their way (at the moment). Think this JHF mega deal does get done but with Port's 33 and 44 going here for Rioli. All parties will be unhappy with it, which is the sign of a good three way trade.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

The relationship between North and JHF must have gotten to a really bad place for them to be so happy to trade him out. They must think it will get really poisonous on them and their negotiating position will be even worse in 12 months time. Maybe they think he might even do a Cam McCarthy and walk out on them half way through the season.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

I've had further thoughts.

I'm half prepared to do pick 2 and Rioli for pick 8, Ports future 1st, and Norths future second.

Would work out at pick 8, pick 12 (next year) and pick 19 (next year).

Otherwise * off.

Yeah I agree.
The top end of this years draft doesn't excite. Wardlaw (hammies), Sheezel (flight risk) & Cadman (can't kick) all have big flaws. Dropping to #8 and grabbing one of the "next best" kids doesn't seem like such a big compromise, especially if one of Tsatas, McKenzie, Phillipou, Clark, Busslinger & Humphrey will still be there.

Next years picks represent a lot of value.
Imagine going into a strong 2023 draft with picks 3, 10, 19 & 21 (assuming WCE finish bottom 3 & port mid-table)

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

North aren't going to throw more into the pot, let's be realistic here. They're already losing JHF and have none of Port's or WC's players going their way (at the moment). Think this JHF mega deal does get done but with Port's 33 and 44 going here for Rioli. All parties will be unhappy with it, which is the sign of a good three way trade.

You think that this would be a good deal for us if we just got a pick upgrade to pick 33 from pick 44 as the only adjustment to what is currently proposed?

I think there is no chance that we would accept that.

North are the ones with the problem with a draftee who doesn't want to be there and who has a very sour relationship with the club. They are getting bailed out of a massive problem by getting pick 2 for JHF, they are not doing anybody any favours. Pick 2 for JHF pretty much means they get out square when they are a forced seller or know they are going to be in 12 months time.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

North aren't going to throw more into the pot, let's be realistic here. They're already losing JHF and have none of Port's or WC's players going their way (at the moment). Think this JHF mega deal does get done but with Port's 33 and 44 going here for Rioli. All parties will be unhappy with it, which is the sign of a good three way trade.

What will we do with 33 and 44?

Try to bundle them up somehow?

I think Brisbane now have enough picks for their father-sons.

 

[ronpingwins]

North aren't going to throw more into the pot, let's be realistic here. They're already losing JHF and have none of Port's or WC's players going their way (at the moment). Think this JHF mega deal does get done but with Port's 33 and 44 going here for Rioli. All parties will be unhappy with it, which is the sign of a good three way trade.

If we’re unhappy with it we should be walking away. The point is we aren’t motivated sellers and have no need to get involved in a trade that ends up with us unhappy.

 

[EagleEgo]

Duursma might be joining the North Melbourne?!

 

[amazingjoshy]

North aren't going to throw more into the pot, let's be realistic here. They're already losing JHF and have none of Port's or WC's players going their way (at the moment). Think this JHF mega deal does get done but with Port's 33 and 44 going here for Rioli. All parties will be unhappy with it, which is the sign of a good three way trade.

It's def on Port to throw in more, how they manage that is up to them

 

[Forward Press]

What will we do with 33 and 44?

Try to bundle them up somehow?

I think Brisbane now have enough picks for their father-sons.

I have no idea but these are the sort of things that have to be done to get this kind of deal over the line. Maybe players - actual good players or players with real potential - also get involved. We're not required to deal with North and/or Port aside from the Rioli trade and obviously pick 2 tends not to be given away lightly.

 

[Coasters7]

I've had further thoughts.

I'm half prepared to do pick 2 and Rioli for pick 8, Ports future 1st, and Norths future second.

Would work out at pick 8, pick 12 (next year) and pick 19 (next year).

Otherwise * off.

Nah pass. Those two picks are at their max value right now. That’s the absolute best they can be for us and it’s still a borderline deal imo.

North could improve (unlikely without Clarko but the only way that pick can go is backwards), and Port are odds on to finish on par or better than this year. There’s no value in that trade for us because best case scenario the ladder is the same and it’s still a 50/50 trade, worst case it puts us in a huge hole

 

[wirra44]

What will we do with 33 and 44?

Try to bundle them up somehow?

I think Brisbane now have enough picks for their father-sons.

Yeah exactly specially when we didn’t want pick 27 apparently, we would look stupid then to take 33 and 44

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Port need to manufacture better picks. How I dunno but I doubt 33 and 44 will cut it.