List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

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[bzparkes]

I revealed days ago that i received mild insider info that west coast were looking at a pick split of 2 so they could slide down and aim to pick up locals. Many on here lost their sh#t and derided me for saying this calling me a liar even though others who had made much more outlandish claims went unchecked. Since my post many media reports are suggesting the same thing as me that west coast are looking to slide back to pick up locals.

No mention of dropping back to pick up locals either.

When has WCE ever been gun-shy of picking up interstate players?

 

[Forward Press]

They don’t have enough draft capital to get the JHF deal done. To think they can achieve their goals without losing a player is ridiculous and shows them up to be the utter campaigners they are

The majority of Port posters in the accompanying thread on DTFA board are evidence of that. They have no comprehension that other clubs exist and have their own interests, not just to bend over without lube for Port.

 

[Bender_]

I revealed days ago that i received mild insider info that west coast were looking at a pick split of 2 so they could slide down and aim to pick up locals. Many on here lost their sh#t and derided me for saying this calling me a liar even though others who had made much more outlandish claims went unchecked. Since my post many media reports are suggesting the same thing as me that west coast are looking to slide back to pick up locals.

On behalf of everyone that derided you for revealing what everyone already knew, I offer sincerest apologies.

 

[swingdog]

Not that I think it will happen, but would we be interested if it did?

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Port actively pursued Rioli offering a better deal for more money and an extra year over and above what we or other clubs were offering. We were desperately wanting to retain Rioli, at a minimum we weren’t pushing him out the door

Port are also going after last year’s No. 1 pick with a year to run on his contract

Usually in these situations, clubs are required to ensure they’re offering a strong trade proposal to bring in their targeted player. Especially in the JHF case

So what are port offering -
Pick 8 and a future first that even in a best case scenario is unlikely to be below 7 (Port aren’t a bottom 6 team)

That is massive unders for JHF. Adding picks 33 and 43 to that doesn’t shift the needle

To make matters worse they’re trying to bring Rioli into this without offering anything else

It is up to them to provide a suitable deal as they have no leverage - maybe some with Rioli as we would prefer to get something for an out of contract player than lose him in the PSD but there’s still limits on what we would accept

They don’t have enough draft capital to get the JHF deal done. To think they can achieve their goals without losing a player is ridiculous and shows them up to be the utter campaigners they are

I don't know whether to condemn Port or wish we were as aggressive and unconcerned with competition protocols and etiquette as they are. If the AFL won't stop Port behaving this way then soon all clubs will start doing it. If the JHF deal breaks down they have probably made North's problem with managing him next year worse. He will likely be more committed to leaving now and more resentful of North in 2023 than had this episode not have hapenned if the trade breaks down.

 

[Bender_]

Not that I think it will happen, but would we be interested if it did?

Worth trading up the PSD for I reckon.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

 

[Westcoast88]

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No mention of dropping back to pick up locals either.

When has WCE ever been gun-shy of picking up interstate players?

it seems the purpose of that twitter post is simply showing who gets what draft picks not what they do with it. anyways i said multiple media reports not all and certainly not everyone is going to detail what they think a club is going to do with their picks.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I am reflecting on yesterday and I am happy. Why I hear you say, when most of board seemed to be spitting chips?

1. We are engaging in discussions. What was published early yesterday was that pick 2 was central to a 3 way deal a manage and later picks would follow. Talk about jumping at shadows.
2. We are very serious about looking at splitting pick 2
3. We are looking at a spot in 2022 that is still good value - The Pieman is not dropping too far back and I like th 6 to 9 range.
4. We are looking to gain another R1 in 2023
5. We have stated that we would not be happy giving Rioli for free and holding firm
6. We will continue discussions with Port and Norf (this is very early in the process) - note that they need us, not vice versa.
7. Giants continue to build a plethora of picks - 4 under 20 and the Geelong pick looking to be the 5th

What do I expect to happen next?

Probably little today - yesterday was about exploring. We have insights as to what has happened and someone is leaking the deal and it is not likely to be us. That means that one of North and or Port want this to happen big time.

What would I like more from a fair trade?

1. Pick 2 for 8 and 14 (assume Port finish5th) feels a unders. Forget the points because points will tell you 8 and 17 are the same points. I want a little more. To be fair, I would probably only need Port's pick 53. Why? I think the 15th best next year will be worth more that the 10th this year.

2. Port are trying to get Rioli thrown in. GTFO Port. I would have accepted 27 for Rioli so I will still accept 33 and 43 for him.

3. With 33, 43 and 53, we get 1,174 points. We then go to Brisbane and agree to take those to the draft and swap for pick 21 on the once the bid is made or we go to Essendon now or on the night and get pick 22. I would want to have this confirmed prior to accepting the slops from Port.

4. How Port satisfy Norf is probably through a player and I do not care who or how, that is not our problem.


Right now, O'Brien should be in a meeting with GWS and Cats. The aim would be to get pick 7 and 2 first rounder (18 and Glg R1-23) for 2 and 26. Cats get pick 3 to guarantee Clark and the rest is up to Glg and GWS with Bruhn, Savagalea and picks.



Good to have multiple options. Pick the best

Remember, taking pick 2 to the draft is our fall back. Pretty good option. We will still have a chance to trade it in the run up and at the draft.

 

[shooshka]

Port actively pursued Rioli offering a better deal for more money and an extra year over and above what we or other clubs were offering. We were desperately wanting to retain Rioli, at a minimum we weren’t pushing him out the door

Port are also going after last year’s No. 1 pick with a year to run on his contract

Usually in these situations, clubs are required to ensure they’re offering a strong trade proposal to bring in their targeted player. Especially in the JHF case

So what are port offering -
Pick 8 and a future first that even in a best case scenario is unlikely to be below 7 (Port aren’t a bottom 6 team)

That is massive unders for JHF. Adding picks 33 and 43 to that doesn’t shift the needle

To make matters worse they’re trying to bring Rioli into this without offering anything else

It is up to them to provide a suitable deal as they have no leverage - maybe some with Rioli as we would prefer to get something for an out of contract player than lose him in the PSD but there’s still limits on what we would accept

They don’t have enough draft capital to get the JHF deal done. To think they can achieve their goals without losing a player is ridiculous and shows them up to be the utter campaigners they are

I don't claim to know the Port list very well, but a quick scan gives me the following players that might have some value that they may be (repeat MAY... for anyone who wants to pick on the individual choices here) willing to look at moving on.

Georgiades
Duursma
Frederick
Hayes
Drew
SPP
Bonner

Out side of Frederick, who has no value in a trade scenario - what are each of these guys worth as a rough pick guide?

Gut feel is they almost need to send 1 to Nth and 1 to us to satisfy both trading parties?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I don't claim to know the Port list very well, but a quick scan gives me the following players that might have some value that they may be (repeat MAY... for anyone who wants to pick on the individual choices here) willing to look at moving on.

Georgiades
Duursma
Frederick
Hayes
Drew
SPP
Bonner

Out side of Frederick, who has no value in a trade scenario - what are each of these guys worth as a rough pick guide?

Gut feel is they almost need to send 1 to Nth and 1 to us to satisfy both trading parties?

There was some talk earlier in silly season that Bergman (former first round pick, Victorian) might be looking to move home. I’m surprised he’s not brought up more

 

[shooshka]

There was some talk earlier in silly season that Bergman (former first round pick, Victorian) might be looking to move home. I’m surprised he’s not brought up more

You'd think that would satisfy North (pick 2 plus Bergman, a 20yo former pick 14).

Then Port just need to find a way to get pick 2 and Rioli off us...?

 

[Spooky17]

Not that I think it will happen, but would we be interested if it did?

Hell yes.

Would be a instant upgrade on pretty much every mid we have already.

Doubt he’d get past Norf’s pick though.

 

[Chad in Vegas]

You'd think that would satisfy North (pick 2 plus Bergman, a 20yo former pick 14).

Then Port just need to find a way to get pick 2 and Rioli off us...?

2 and Rioli for 8, future first and Georgiades and a swap of future seconds.

 

[shooshka]

There was some talk earlier in silly season that Bergman (former first round pick, Victorian) might be looking to move home. I’m surprised he’s not brought up more

I wonder if we would consider (if he was offered) SPP as part of the pick 2/rioli trade.


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He played 22 games for them this year, is 26 (an age gap on our list), contested ball winner. Kicking is obviously below par - but he does have attributes we are missing (also behavioral issues - so we would want to vet him properly).

Not sure Port would do it, but if the basis was 8, F1st, SPP (for 2 + Rioli - then potentially some other pick swaps that are steak knives) I get the feeling we might at least sit at the table to listen?

 

[Neale4brownlow]

I wonder if we would consider (if he was offered) SPP as part of the pick 2/rioli trade.


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He played 22 games for them this year, is 26 (an age gap on our list), contested ball winner. Kicking is obviously below par - but he does have attributes we are missing (also behavioral issues - so we would want to vet him properly).

Not sure Port would do it, but if the basis was 8, F1st, SPP (for 2 + Rioli - then potentially some other pick swaps that are steak knives) I get the feeling we might at least sit at the table to listen?

SPP is not a good player.
He's an ok player.

We don't need that type.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

There was some talk earlier in silly season that Bergman (former first round pick, Victorian) might be looking to move home. I’m surprised he’s not brought up more

If Norf were to end up with 2 and Bergman, that might be enough.

Meanwhile, we demand 8, Port future R1, 33, 43 and 53 (having a side agreement with Lions or Dons for points and a pick in the 20's) while giving up Rioli and 2.

Port get the Horn and Rioli while losing Bergman (a former number 14 pick), pick 8 and a future first.

 

[Bender_]

I am reflecting on yesterday and I am happy. Why I hear you say, when most of board seemed to be spitting chips?

1. We are engaging in discussions. What was published early yesterday was that pick 2 was central to a 3 way deal a manage and later picks would follow. Talk about jumping at shadows.
2. We are very serious about looking at splitting pick 2
3. We are looking at a spot in 2022 that is still good value - The Pieman is not dropping too far back and I like th 6 to 9 range.
4. We are looking to gain another R1 in 2023
5. We have stated that we would not be happy giving Rioli for free and holding firm
6. We will continue discussions with Port and Norf (this is very early in the process) - note that they need us, not vice versa.
7. Giants continue to build a plethora of picks - 4 under 20 and the Geelong pick looking to be the 5th

What do I expect to happen next?

Probably little today - yesterday was about exploring. We have insights as to what has happened and someone is leaking the deal and it is not likely to be us. That means that one of North and or Port want this to happen big time.

What would I like more from a fair trade?

1. Pick 2 for 8 and 14 (assume Port finish5th) feels a unders. Forget the points because points will tell you 8 and 17 are the same points. I want a little more. To be fair, I would probably only need Port's pick 53. Why? I think the 15th best next year will be worth more that the 10th this year.

2. Port are trying to get Rioli thrown in. GTFO Port. I would have accepted 27 for Rioli so I will still accept 33 and 43 for him.

3. With 33, 43 and 53, we get 1,174 points. We then go to Brisbane and agree to take those to the draft and swap for pick 21 on the once the bid is made or we go to Essendon now or on the night and get pick 22. I would want to have this confirmed prior to accepting the slops from Port.

4. How Port satisfy Norf is probably through a player and I do not care who or how, that is not our problem.


Right now, O'Brien should be in a meeting with GWS and Cats. The aim would be to get pick 7 and 2 first rounder (18 and Glg R1-23) for 2 and 26. Cats get pick 3 to guarantee Clark and the rest is up to Glg and GWS with Bruhn, Savagalea and picks.



Good to have multiple options. Pick the best

Remember, taking pick 2 to the draft is our fall back. Pretty good option. We will still have a chance to trade it in the run up and at the draft.

The idea of the trade doesn't annoy me a great deal - and from you've mapped out I agree it could be an astute piece of business. I think the chip spitting came from what appeared to be blatant disrespect from Port where they get a premium results whilst trading sub-standard draft capital and not even offering a player up for trade. It legit sounded like something a BF Port poster would float with a disregard for other parties even being remotely satisfied.

 

[Monocle]

Not that I think it will happen, but would we be interested if it did?

Yes we would be ……however ….. He would be gobbled up by North is a nano second.

Secondly Doggies are posturing and if no trade deal was done with Brisbane, then you reckon Dunkley signs a one year deal to stay at the kennel and try’s again at the end of next year.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Yes we would be ……however ….. He would be gobbled up by North is a nano second.

Secondly Doggies are posturing and if no trade deal was done with Brisbane, then you reckon Dunkley signs a one year deal to stay at the kennel and try’s again at the end of next year.

Doggies would need to get involved with the Vixens to bring his partner back from Adelaide, then he signs a longer deal.

 

[The wily weagle]

What is our endgame for 2023?

From all accounts next year is shaping to be a deeper draft, with far more local (WA) talent on offer. But, even if we finish in the same position as we did this year, that still only gets us one pick to use in the top 20

Thus, unless we are going to engineer some crazy picks swaps to get us back into the first round, the only way i can see that we are able to do that is by making some trades.

But who can/would we trade? Who could we put on offer that is worth a first round pick and would potentially move?

Nic Nat?
Gov?
Gaff?
Darling?
Allen?
Barrass?

I cant see any trade we can make to get us back into the first round for next year

 

[shooshka]

SPP is not a good player.
He's an ok player.

We don't need that type.

I think we do need that type. A hybrid mid/fwd who wins ground ball and contested ball. We are screaming out for that type.

It's just whether we can overcome his lack of class (on the footy field, but probably equally relevant off the field!) and his average/poor kicking.

He's not going to be our next Shuey, but maybe our next Hutchings.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Sorry for the dense question, I haven't been following along, but...

Why would Port trade away the Amon compensation pick? I know that West Coast have claimed that pick 27 wasn't enough for Rioli... but realistically, that was probably posturing. Pick 27 seemed the best option and now it's gone.

 

[ThePuma #9]

Cal Twomey mentioned on trade radio we made enquiries about Dan Houston

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Dan Houston

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

289.2

4star

D

17.6

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.4

4star

MG

319.9

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

279.8

5star

and were immediately shut down. I don't think we need Dan (very good player) but it seems we are looking at all options, even if that means players over more picks.

Start dangling some money on a carrot infront of some Port players we are keen on, probably leads to nothing but it's not going to hurt and if the shoe was on the other foot.....

 

[random260]

Sorry for the dense question, I haven't been following along, but...

Why would Port trade away the Amon compensation pick? I know that West Coast have claimed that pick 27 wasn't enough for Rioli... but realistically, that was probably posturing. Pick 27 seemed the best option and now it's gone.

I believe they ****ed up. Don't remember the timeline but it seems like that will come to haunt those campaigners

MARK MY WORDS - this 3 way deal is all about West Coast trying to prise Georgiades off of us and there is no goodwill to get this deal done just 2 clubs trying to bend us over instead of one.

We are better to deal with just Norf. I go back to my first post my opening position is G*t F***ed.

If Norf want a Top 5 pick then take our offer and negotiate for it yourself or we can come back in 12 months.

That would be music to my ears if pieman is a tough man