List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[bombard]

Have a read through this thread

List Mgmt. - Christmas comes early (Nov 28 - 19 sleeps) - Draftee discussion

Link to draft picks held by each club

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But there’s far from a consensus opinion on who we should take

Just make sure you take Jackson Nelson at some point. I'll never quit on you Jacko.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Since 2010 when we got Gov, and omitting re-rookied players or pickups from other clubs…

2011: Mascoulis (RIP), Papertalk, Tunbridge
2012: Sinclair
2013: Maginness, Powell
2014: Adamson, Brophy
2015: Snadden
2016: Gorter, Bayok, Watson
2017: Burrows, Olango, England
2018: Edwards, Riach, Bines
2019: Treacy, O’Neill, Reid
2020: Trew

Sinclair and Edwards are the only two that have really done anything, out of 21 picks. So not a great strike rate.

Goes to my point - whilst a retread isn't likely to deliver much - neither is going to the well.

 

[briztoon]

Dogs need kp defenders not another mid.

Same with Saints.

Agree Cartlon and Humphrey makes sense.

Saints want their nga kid over any other player.

Yes, they need KPP’s, but they need to upgrade their midfield as well.

 

[random260]

HOLY ****. Has there ever been a more blatant tanking then Hawks currently???? Tanking in plain site for a generational player in harley ****ing reid

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Goes to my point - whilst a retread isn't likely to deliver much - neither is going to the well..

Rookies, DFA, third rounders, fourth rounders all meh.

Most fail, the ones that hit 100 games like Jackson Nelson or win Brownlows like Pridda become the ultimate whipping boys.

What a world we live in.

 

[CountryLad]

HOLY . Has there ever been a more blatant tanking them Hawks currently???? Tanking in plain site for a generational player in harley ****** reid

Dermie openly spoke about it on Trading day a few days back. Think they are being quite open about it which is surprising.

AFL should be telling them no compensation picks if this is the path you go down.

 

[Goroyals22]

HOLY . Has there ever been a more blatant tanking then Hawks currently???? Tanking in plain site for a generational player in harley ****** reid

I’m not sure. We have done a pretty good job the past 18 months… at least they will do it with kids, we have the credits crew performing at that level.

 

[THE A5]

Hey I guys sorry for the Intrusion I come in Peace but how bout the Eagles pick up Jackson Nelson

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Jackson Nelson

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

184.8

3star

D

14.8

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.3

3star

MG

171.8

3star

D

8.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

127.0

3star

as Delisted Free agent?

 

[ep2018]

Port trying to trade Frederick for Rioli despite planning on delisting him anyway.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Port trying to trade Frederick for Rioli despite planning on delisting him anyway.

It's what everyone said we should have done with GOAT Brander.

 

[CountryLad]

Port trying to trade Frederick for Rioli despite planning on delisting him anyway.

Yeah hope Port get off to a bad start and the whole place implodes.

 

[CountryLad]

I’m not sure. We have done a pretty good job the past 18 months… at least they will do it with kids, we have the credits crew performing at that level.

So we are different to them…. We aren’t trying to tank we are just sh1t!

 

[Dark Sharks]

Hey I guys sorry for the Intrusion I come in Peace but how bout the Eagles pick up Jackson Nelson as Delisted Free agent?
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[Rowan18]

* me the AFL is a joke

They literally had a meeting with Geelong and Gold Coast to approve the trade. Now they’re saying they’ll review the ability of clubs to smooth out a contract beyond its existing terms when a salary dump is involved

There’s not a single observer who’s looked at Bowes and 7 for a future third (likely to be a pick in the 50’s) and thought yeah that looks fair

The opportunity to set conditions for this deal was there at that meeting and given there were no real parameters actually set for such a deal, this was one occasion where they could have made a rule on the run

It’s like installing an alarm after you’ve been robbed

I don't understand why the player would agree to this. He is effectively being paid for 2 years and doing 4 years work. The whole thing is highly suspect and it really annoys me that it was allowed to go through.

Gold Coast's behaviour was also bizarre. They had 3 clubs interested but still felt the need to give up pick 7. Why not trade him to the club that would accept a second round selection?

 

[CountryLad]

I don't understand why the player would agree to this. He is effectively being paid for 2 years and doing 4 years work. The whole thing is highly suspect and it really annoys me that it was allowed to go through.

Gold Coast's behaviour was also bizarre. They had 3 clubs interested but still felt the need to give up pick 7. Why not trade him to the club that would accept a second round selection?

Agree should simply be the club picks up the existing contract or no deal

 

[Tyberious Funk]

I don't understand why the player would agree to this. He is effectively being paid for 2 years and doing 4 years work. The whole thing is highly suspect and it really annoys me that it was allowed to go through.

Gold Coast's behaviour was also bizarre. They had 3 clubs interested but still felt the need to give up pick 7. Why not trade him to the club that would accept a second round selection?

Because Bowes would have had to agree. He was on contract. Once he nominated Geelong, they basically had a choice to either work with Geelong, or keep him.

IMHO, the real question is why the process was so public. If Bowes hadn't publicly nominated Geelong, GC would have had more bargaining power.

 

[Keys]

I don't understand why the player would agree to this. He is effectively being paid for 2 years and doing 4 years work. The whole thing is highly suspect and it really annoys me that it was allowed to go through.

Gold Coast's behaviour was also bizarre. They had 3 clubs interested but still felt the need to give up pick 7. Why not trade him to the club that would accept a second round selection?

Goes from getting $1.7m over 2 years to $2.2m over 4 so he’s effectively on only $250k for years 3 and 4 of his contract. Maybe there’s some incentives there to get more if he performs but who knows

The issue is that instead of having to find $1.7m of cap space over 2 years, Geelong are now able to push $400k of that into 2025/26, so it’s not such a big hit

Smart by Geelong and tbh there were plenty of people suggesting that so it’s not as if it was some stroke of genius that no one else thought of

The salary cap hit was the entire reason why the Suns attached pick 7 to the trade (although they could have used 25 and clubs still would have done it imo) but by diluting the impact the AFL should have ensured Geelong paid a reasonable trade value.

Geelong also traded out their future 2nd before the meeting otherwise they probably would have been forced to pay that. AFL should have told them to go get one rather than allowing them to use a future 3rd. Or tell them to cough up 25 which they got in part by trading out their future 2nd

 

[Altum Volantes]

If it wasn’t Geelong getting the sweet deal, it wouldn’t have happened.

 

[3agles87]

Goes from getting $1.7m over 2 years to $2.2m over 4 so he’s effectively on only $250k for years 3 and 4 of his contract. Maybe there’s some incentives there to get more if he performs but who knows

The issue is that instead of having to find $1.7m of cap space over 2 years, Geelong are now able to push $400k of that into 2025/26, so it’s not such a big hit

Smart by Geelong and tbh there were plenty of people suggesting that so it’s not as if it was some stroke of genius that no one else thought of

The salary cap hit was the entire reason why the Suns attached pick 7 to the trade (although they could have used 25 and clubs still would have done it imo) but by diluting the impact the AFL should have ensured Geelong paid a reasonable trade value.

Geelong also traded out their future 2nd before the meeting otherwise they probably would have been forced to pay that. AFL should have told them to go get one rather than allowing them to use a future 3rd. Or tell them to cough up 25 which they got in part by trading out their future 2nd

Or tell them to trade ratugolea for 33 ffs. Then hand that over. But somehow ratugolea is worth more than that so they keep him. FMD, what a joke of a comp.

 

[Bender_]

Can't all contracts be terminated and/or changed as long as all parties agree? Why do the AFL think they can stick their nose in a case such as this? I don't see anything wrong with what Geelong did, it's GC that a poorly run and made a shit deal - they should be penalised for being absolutely useless.

 

[Farang83150]

I don't understand why the player would agree to this. He is effectively being paid for 2 years and doing 4 years work. The whole thing is highly suspect and it really annoys me that it was allowed to go through.

Gold Coast's behaviour was also bizarre. They had 3 clubs interested but still felt the need to give up pick 7. Why not trade him to the club that would accept a second round selection?

Maybe low trigger clauses for more years?

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Problem is some zones are really strong, others invisible. Perth Demons and Peel for example have never had a chance.
If Collingwood got Oakleigh (Just 1x NAB League team) they would have essentially 2x top 10 picks a year.

But if Perth was combined with Peel, South Freo, East Freo for example then it could work. Obviously it would need to be fair and equitable amongst all teams and open for review every 5 years or something to deal with demographic changes

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Port trying to trade Frederick for Rioli despite planning on delisting him anyway.

That one was too obvious...

 

[Cm Perfect]

* me the AFL is a joke

They literally had a meeting with Geelong and Gold Coast to approve the trade. Now they’re saying they’ll review the ability of clubs to smooth out a contract beyond its existing terms when a salary dump is involved

There’s not a single observer who’s looked at Bowes and 7 for a future third (likely to be a pick in the 50’s) and thought yeah that looks fair

The opportunity to set conditions for this deal was there at that meeting and given there were no real parameters actually set for such a deal, this was one occasion where they could have made a rule on the run

It’s like installing an alarm after you’ve been robbed

Reminds me of that time they charged the Father-Son rules after a certain club received two future Hall of Famers for pick 40 (G. Ablett) and 41 (T. Hawkins). What a lucky club they were, he he he...

 

[ArdentEagle]

Pardon my ignorance...Why do the AFL want to keep sucking the Cats **** so hard, for so long?