List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

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Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[flamingEMBERS]

1 - It wasn't inflated at the time.
2 - It's irrelevant right now anyway, as we're entering a rebuild and nobody else on the list currently is worth an increase that his contract would restrict them from getting.
3 - The last thing we need is big-dollar free agents/trade requests, as again, we're entering a rebuild, so Gaff's contract is irrelevant.

It was definitely inflated at the time. Should we have signed him, yeah I think we should have, but not near the price the Kangas we’re offering. The only people that know that are the club and Gaff.

If the past can teach us anything in this new age of player movement in the AFL, you can’t just keep everyone. Sometimes you have to sell high, even if it’s just a first round compo pick.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

You can say that but Griffin Logue just went to North because Freo couldn't pay what he was asking.

Freo significantly under offered Griff at the start and allowed North to get their foot in the door. Freo significantly upped their offer but it was too little to late (still less than Norths). My understanding is he would have accepted Freos final offer if it was made initially

 

[MrWoollie]

Oh very legitimate like Henry homesick at Collingwood so far away from mummy at Geelong ….. FFS what a crock of s**t.

The Cats love manipulating the system:

Indoctrinating the young Geelong Falcons to become Geelong Homing Pigeons.

And they will continue to do so and get away with it, until the soft ***** at vAFL
house stop allowing them to do as they please.

What a shitshow the AFL is on all things equalisation.

And this has become a major issue to the point where it hardly worth drafting a Geelong Falcons guy because, no matter what is said in interviews, it's almost certain that at some point you will lose the player back to Geelong. And get f*** all for him after putting in all the development effort.

And I don't want Jhye Clark for this reason.

Geelong have become a dynasty based on F/S selections, raiding GC as a feeder club and gaming the go home factor.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

And this has become a major issue to the point where it hardly worth drafting a Geelong Falcons guy because, no matter what is said in interviews, it's almost certain that at some point you will lose the player back to Geelong. And get f*** all for him after putting in all the development effort.

And I don't want Jhye Clark for this reason.

Geelong have become a dynasty based on F/S selections, raiding GC as a feeder club and gaming the go home factor.

Schofield and Nelson stayed

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

1 - It wasn't inflated at the time.
2 - It's irrelevant right now anyway, as we're entering a rebuild and nobody else on the list currently is worth an increase that his contract would restrict them from getting.
3 - The last thing we need is big-dollar free agents/trade requests, as again, we're entering a rebuild, so Gaff's contract is irrelevant.

Gaffs contract wasn't inflated at the time ?
We had just won the premiership without him . Shows how important he was we replaced him with sheed

His contract was inflated by a north offer that was way over his value because they had no one to pay big salary to.

He's on 1 million a year average over 6 years .

Wasn't inflated lol .

 

[JackOutback]

People keep saying defence isn't a position of need. We have four tall defenders, of which we usually play three. We're one injury away from playing at capacity. And one of the four is in his 30s, while the other is a rookie pick who at present could be anything, good or bad. We have needs across every line, if Busslinger is genuinely the best talent when our pick rolls round, then grab him, and use 12 and 20 and 26 (all good picks) to fill other areas of need.

 

[Rowan18]

And this has become a major issue to the point where it hardly worth drafting a Geelong Falcons guy because, no matter what is said in interviews, it's almost certain that at some point you will lose the player back to Geelong. And get f*** all for him after putting in all the development effort.

And I don't want Jhye Clark for this reason.

Geelong have become a dynasty based on F/S selections, raiding GC as a feeder club and gaming the go home factor.

One flag doesn't make a dynasty. I expect Geelong to fall back into the pack next year. They can kid themselves all they want, but when those veterans hit the wall (Danger, Hawkins etc), they will fall off a cliff.

 

[Westcoast88]

Geez have any of you blokes ever moved a long way from home as a youngster? It take three months of new mates,new girls new everything and your settled.Good clubs make young players very welcome and we are as good as any.People on here are stating as fact that we traded down coz of the go home factor. Bullshit! That’s kids stuff folks!! It’s the quality available and the evenness of that quality nothing else. We will take the best player available doesn’t matter where he comes from. Now stop the squealing!!

You could try addressing the points posters have raised with regards to their concerns about interstate players rather than just lazily saying stop squealing and that's bullshit.

 

[Ishmael_]

One flag doesn't make a dynasty. I expect Geelong to fall back into the pack next year. They can kid themselves all they want, but when those veterans hit the wall (Danger, Hawkins etc), they will fall off a cliff.

I dunno, they're the only consistently good team with a balanced list ATM. Who's going to challenge them?

And as much as I'd like them to drop, they just won't. They have every conceivable advantage in this competition and they are also a well run club.

Equalisation and expansion have only made their systemic advantages more pronounced.

 

[kranky al]

People keep saying defence isn't a position of need. We have four tall defenders, of which we usually play three. We're one injury away from playing at capacity. And one of the four is in his 30s, while the other is a rookie pick who at present could be anything, good or bad. We have needs across every line, if Busslinger is genuinely the best talent when our pick rolls round, then grab him, and use 12 and 20 and 26 (all good picks) to fill other areas of need.

And how many mids do we have?

Shuey should have been out of the midfield 2 years ago and playing minutes at the end of quarters

Yeo is perma injured and will play back next year

Gaff is a potato

Shred is good but slow and cant tackle

We arent short on kp any where near the shortage of mids and have a proven history of picking kp players at later picks

We literally dont have a midfield.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

In 2023 we won't trade down unless we get pick 1 ( no chance ) whereby clubs will throw the kitchen sink at us for pick 1 even pick 2 .

At this stage, I almost wouldn't trade pick 1 for anything.

 

[Westcoast88]

And how many mids do we have?

Shuey should have been out of the midfield 2 years ago and playing minutes at the end of quarters

Yeo is perma injured and will play back next year

Gaff is a potato

Shred is good but slow and cant tackle

We arent short on kp any where near the shortage of mids and have a proven history of picking kp players at later picks

We literally dont have a midfield.

Aren't short of KP players anywhere you say ? Kennedy just retired. Mcgovern 31 at start of next season, naitainui 32. Darling 30. We are short on talent everywhere not just midfield.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

I don't think we'll win the spoon next year but I would only consider trading pick 1 for something very tempting like 3 picks in the top 10 or something.
At least pick 2 this year was basically pick 3, but 8 & 12 still unders.

 

[Dale Doback]

Heard a rumour Gov is retiring after 2023 season when his contract is done. Going to focus on his businesses. I'm assuming the club is aware of this and might take Buslinger at 9 if he's still there. I'd be fine with that as long as we don't miss out on Hewett.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Heard a rumour Gov is retiring after 2023 season when his contract is done. Going to focus on his businesses. I'm assuming the club is aware of this and might take Buslinger at 9 if he's still there. I'd be fine with that as long as we don't miss out on Hewett.

We’ve got Barrass, Bazzo and Edwards already.

I’ll back us in to take a fourth tall in line to develop with a later selection this or next year. That’s how we snared Gov and TB (plus the other two for that matter).

Mids all the way early thanks. That’s the core of premiership sides and ours blows chunks.

 

[ArdentEagle]

We’ve got Barrass, Bazzo and Edwards already.

I’ll back us in to take a fourth tall in line to develop with a later selection this or next year. That’s how we snared Gov and TB (plus the other two for that matter).

Mids all the way early thanks. That’s the core of premiership sides and ours blows chunks.

Good man Thorne!

 

[WCErevival]

Do you need to use a top pick on a key defender? Would be interesting to see the average pick value of all the KPP in the league.

 

[Dale Doback]

We’ve got Barrass, Bazzo and Edwards already.

I’ll back us in to take a fourth tall in line to develop with a later selection this or next year. That’s how we snared Gov and TB (plus the other two for that matter).

Mids all the way early thanks. That’s the core of premiership sides and ours blows chunks.

I agree. I'd take Hewett at 9 and Phillipou over Ginbey at 13. But the clubs own draft rankings may have Buslinger ahead of them all on talent. And if they do I don't think they'll hesitate knowing Gov is nearly done.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

So in order for us to take all 4 top end picks plus a possible slider, we will need to delist both Witherden and Winder



Bond seemed to intimate that at least 1 of West, Trew, Witherden and Winder have a contract for 2023. Nothing meaning we can't delist them and pick them up as rookies. When I look at all 4, I cannot see why we would worry about delisting all 4. They have been on the list for long enough to show their talent and their upside and it is not there for me. Surely we cannot be keeping West as solid depth! We have Clark and then we will have the 5 or 6 players we will be drafting this year.

Obviously shifting Foley and Langdon to the rookie list makes so much sense (in terms of messaging, it terms of long term being borderline on our list and in terms of managing a more flexible list).

To be, the club seem to have put West into the credits in the bank. Tries hard. Seems a decent guy. Ain't AFL standard, plain and simple.

 

[bl4ke]

There was footage of Conor West training today, he must have got a contract.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Do you need to use a top pick on a key defender? Would be interesting to see the average pick value of all the KPP in the league.

Don't start this conversation again

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

So in order for us to take all 4 top end picks plus a possible slider, we will need to delist both Witherden and Winder

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Bond seemed to intimate that at least 1 of West, Trew, Witherden and Winder have a contract for 2023. Nothing meaning we can't delist them and pick them up as rookies. When I look at all 4, I cannot see why we would worry about delisting all 4. They have been on the list for long enough to show their talent and their upside and it is not there for me. Surely we cannot be keeping West as solid depth! We have Clark and then we will have the 5 or 6 players we will be drafting this year.

Obviously shifting Foley and Langdon to the rookie list makes so much sense (in terms of messaging, it terms of long term being borderline on our list and in terms of managing a more flexible list).

To be, the club seem to have put West into the credits in the bank. Tries hard. Seems a decent guy. Ain't AFL standard, plain and simple.

Witherden is contracted Rhino confirmed in a tweet .

Speculation we smoothed his 2 year contract into 3 years

 

[WCET22]

Need to get Stack & Narkle with later picks or PSD. Need some flare & speed in the side.

Phillipou, Ginbey, Hewett, + Stack & Narkle would be a great haul 4 WA & our 1 traditional Croweater.
Still think there is a delistee or 2 and maybe retiree another yet.

Think we need another gone especially if we have so many Veterans leaving next season.

 

[ArdentEagle]

So in order for us to take all 4 top end picks plus a possible slider, we will need to delist both Witherden and Winder

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Bond seemed to intimate that at least 1 of West, Trew, Witherden and Winder have a contract for 2023. Nothing meaning we can't delist them and pick them up as rookies. When I look at all 4, I cannot see why we would worry about delisting all 4. They have been on the list for long enough to show their talent and their upside and it is not there for me. Surely we cannot be keeping West as solid depth! We have Clark and then we will have the 5 or 6 players we will be drafting this year.

Obviously shifting Foley and Langdon to the rookie list makes so much sense (in terms of messaging, it terms of long term being borderline on our list and in terms of managing a more flexible list).

To be, the club seem to have put West into the credits in the bank. Tries hard. Seems a decent guy. Ain't AFL standard, plain and simple.

Winder for me before West - He has a much higher ceiling if just kept as a mid.

 

[bzparkes]

It was definitely inflated at the time. Should we have signed him, yeah I think we should have, but not near the price the Kangas we’re offering. The only people that know that are the club and Gaff.

If the past can teach us anything in this new age of player movement in the AFL, you can’t just keep everyone. Sometimes you have to sell high, even if it’s just a first round compo pick.

Did we lose anyone, either playing for the club or interested in joining, because of Gaff's salary?