List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[sey666]

You missed the point.

Right now we may have an elite mid just don't know it.

Pick 9 and 13 the mids in that range are rated very similarly. Busslinger at 9 may be rated higher than any mids in that range. If so you take the best player at 9 and the best mids at 13 and 22.

You do not ignore a highly rated tall to get a lessor rated mid.

Elite mids might on on our list already just need time. We may draft one this year or next. Or we trade them in.

That is how we get the two elite mids you are referring to.

Question. Who were the two elite mids who played in our last flag team? What pick were they drafted?

 

[ziad]

You missed the point.

Right now we may have an elite mid just don't know it.

Pick 9 and 13 the mids in that range are rated very similarly. Busslinger at 9 may be rated higher than any mids in that range. If so you take the best player at 9 and the best mids at 13 and 22.

Elite in 9-13 range? Just like AFLW is elite etc. Sheed is good as an example (B grade) and great until we play agains the real elite then he and most vanish.

 

[RanaNaved]

Elite in 9-13 range? Just like AFLW is elite etc. Sheed is good as an example (B grade) and great until we play agains the real elite then he and most vanish.

That's the range Cripps and Danger were taken, and before Fyfe, Neale, Parker etc.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Ah this argument again.

It's been a while.

 

[Keys]

“if I go interstate I don’t know how I’ll cope”

I do wonder what the reaction would be if a non-Victorian player said this

Not even trying to hide it

 

[EagleMan87]

“if I go interstate I don’t know how I’ll cope”

I do wonder what the reaction would be if a non-Victorian player said this

Not even trying to hide it

I was ready to be angry, but he looks like he just worded it poorly.

“There‘s a lot of unknowns. I kind of know what would happen if I stay in Melbourne, but if I go interstate I don’t know how I’ll cope,” he said.

“I think I would prefer to stay here in Melbourne, but I think I‘m willing to give it a big crack if I was to go interstate, like to the Giants, and try and stay loyal and become the best player I can and devoted to that organisation.”

Like he's saying he literally doesn't know how he'll go interstate, but that's kind of a 'no shit Sherlock' observation...

 

[Keys]

I was ready to be angry, but he looks like he just worded it poorly.

“There‘s a lot of unknowns. I kind of know what would happen if I stay in Melbourne, but if I go interstate I don’t know how I’ll cope,” he said.

“I think I would prefer to stay here in Melbourne, but I think I‘m willing to give it a big crack if I was to go interstate, like to the Giants, and try and stay loyal and become the best player I can and devoted to that organisation.”

Like he's saying he literally doesn't know how he'll go interstate, but that's kind of a 'no s**t Sherlock' observation...

It’s what I’ve always said.

Victorian players go into a draft with a 10/18 chance of not having to leave their home state. It’s better than 50/50 so I don’t believe they truly contemplate the reality of leaving home to play AFL. And I doubt they get educated about that possibility

Any other state with an AFL team it’s a 2/18 chance so they know from the outset they’ll likely have to leave home. They get prepared for it in a way Victorian kids don’t

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

If Hawks are gutting their list in a deliberate ploy for pick 1, it's a very dangerous game.
What if they aren't as s**t as they are hoping, end up with pick 4 and miss Reid, Moir and whoever else is a "generational" talent in 2023? Do they start losing deliberately to make it work?

What if their list build stalls, they're sitting bottom for a bit too long and Mitchell gets the arse?
What if injury ruins Reid/Moir's careers?
What if, what if, what if.

1 player doesn't win flags.
A host of early draft picks don't win flags either (just ask GC, GWS, Carlton, Freo, Norf & pre-Roos Demons).
Culture, a "right place right time" game plan, luck, balanced list, off-field stability, and a combination of probably dozen other factors win flags.

One thing you are missing about why Mitchell would be doing it is he is also creating a low bar that supporters will compare him with in the future. If he calculates that he has 3 or 4 years guaranteed before people start critically evaluating him then finishing in the bottom 4 next year and then making the 8 three years down the road from that creates the perception that the club is on the move and trending upwards in it's form and quality. If he finishes 9th or 10th for a couple of years and then makes the 8 in three years time that doesn't look or feel as good to the average supporter. It looks like spinning your wheels in the mud. The media won't speak as positively about him.

He will also have more cap space for acquisitions banked and ready for use in 3 years time, more games into the young players plus the draft picks you mentioned. Doesn't guarantee success, as you say, but it makes it significantly more likely.

The only hitch in the plan for Mitchell is can he maintain a floor underneath the results after getting rid of those players and make sure he doesn't have any seasons as bad as the one we just had. A couple of those in a row is enough to guarantee the demise of any coach, even a favourite son. It is OK to allow a manufactured slide down the ladder for future - oriented reasons but you have to be able to prevent a total implosion or you won't survive long enough to see the sunlit uplands..

 

[Carbine Chaos]

More of the young blokes should adopt Chesser’s attitude and embrace the challenge, see the move as part of the adventure etc.

 

[bzparkes]

More of the young blokes should adopt Chesser’s attitude and embrace the challenge, see the move as part of the adventure etc.

Yeah but he's Vic Country, not a pampered Vic Metro mummy's boy.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Just so there's no confusion, heres how it's going to go.



If West Coast finish higher than Hawthorn I'll delete my account

If Hawthorn don't finish lower than West Coast, I'll delete my account

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Article on SEN: Interesting we've had preliminary discussions with his management!

Quinton Narkle - delisted by Geelong

“I’d be shocked if he didn’t get another opportunity, there’s been a number of clubs, including the two West Australian clubs that have held preliminary discussions with his management,” he said.

“It just needs to see how these things shape out because clubs needed to get through the trade period to see where they sat in terms of list spots.

“Now they take stock ahead of the draft but I’d be surprised if Quinton Narkle

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Quinton Narkle

Age

27

Ht

182cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

6.9

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

12.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.8

4star

didn’t get another gig.”

 

[ziad]

That's the range Cripps and Danger were taken, and before Fyfe, Neale, Parker etc.

there are no cripps and danger in this draft and recruiters are far more informed (perhaps not ours). We could be lucky but thats not a great strategy

 

[bigmikles089]

More of the young blokes should adopt Chesser’s attitude and embrace the challenge, see the move as part of the adventure etc.

Encouraging to hear that he's spent the majority of his break in Perth and not back home.

Bodes well.

 

[Keys]

there are no cripps and danger in this draft and recruiters are far more informed (perhaps not ours). We could be lucky but thats not a great strategy

Who’s to say there’s not a Cripps or Danger in this draft?

Do you think recruiters knew, or even thought, Dangerfield and Cripps would become the players they are when they were drafted. I doubt it since Dangerfield went at 10 and Cripps at 13 in their respective drafts

Redo those drafts and Dangerfield is taken 1st and Cripps at worst 2nd behind Bont

 

[JackOutback]

there are no cripps and danger in this draft and recruiters are far more informed (perhaps not ours). We could be lucky but thats not a great strategy

Cripps and Danger weren't Cripps and Danger in their draft year. The reason they went lower is because people didn't expect them to become the players they did, and they expected other players to come on who did not come on. That's the nature of drafting kids.

 

[THE A5]

I think it’s better bottom out now and do a full rebuild than wait a few more years when Tassie enter the comp. hence why it’s so bloody vital we nail the next few drafts

 

[Shoei]

Do we think anything of Sydney Stack

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Sydney Stack

Age

24

Ht

179cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.5

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

8.7

5star

M

4.1

4star

T

3.0

5star

MG

202.0

3star

D

9.8

2star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.4

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.8

4star

MG

133.0

2star

D

16.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

227.4

4star

or Quinton Narkle

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Quinton Narkle

Age

27

Ht

182cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

6.9

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

12.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.8

4star

?

 

[pantskyle]

Cripps and Danger.

 

[FKASC]

Do we think anything of Sydney Stack or Quinton Narkle?

Would rather we ignore both

 

[FKASC]

Cripps and Danger.

Dangston & Crick

 

[RanaNaved]

there are no cripps and danger in this draft and recruiters are far more informed (perhaps not ours). We could be lucky but thats not a great strategy

Don't pretend you know when you don't

 

[eagles rule]

Or Charlie Clarke.

Or Jed Hagen who is just one of the smartest draftees at reading the play out there and could adapt easily enough..


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