List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

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Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[JDWCE]

A backline of Busslinger, Bazzo and Barrass has a certain ring to it though

I cum in peace but that would make me cum in peas

 

[juddy_Like]

Wow Monocle absolutely blitz the BF Mock draft.

Clark, Hewett, Hotton & Hustwaite - yes please!!

Gimme those mids baby!!

 

[CountryLad]

A backline of Busslinger, Bazzo and Barrass has a certain ring to it though

Action Cream 3B……. Breasts Buttocks and Bazzo

 

[dinnaz]

Wow Monocle absolutely blitz the BF Mock draft.

Clark, Hewett, Hotton & Hustwaite - yes please!!

Gimme those mids baby!!

Sorry Monocle
#23 Charlie Clark would have nailed that pick. Seems a better pure forward than Hotton who I find pretty underwhelming for whats advertised on the box.
#28 Hustwaite i'm not a big fan of either. I don't see an AFL midfielder there. Banking on him to Cripps it up and become a battering ram? Isn't that great overhead as a KPP as a fallback.

Clark and Hewett are nice additions tho

 

[Monocle]

Sorry Monocle
#23 Charlie Clark would have nailed that pick. Seems a better pure forward than Hotton who I find pretty underwhelming for whats advertised on the box.
#28 Hustwaite i'm not a big fan of either. I don't see an AFL midfielder there. Banking on him to Cripps it up and become a battering ram? Isn't that great overhead as a KPP as a fallback.

Clark and Hewett are nice additions tho

Well I am glad that I was able to please you with at least a couple of picks.
Pity I didn't nail it for you.

We obviously look for different things in players........... Hotton has one of the cleanest set of hands in this cohort....i find that a trait impossible to ignore.

 

[CountryLad]

Well I am glad that I was able to please you with at least a couple of picks.
Pity I didn't nail it for you.

We obviously look for different things in players........... Hotton has one of the cleanest set of hands in this cohort....i find that a trait impossible to ignore.

Thought it was a solid draft haul mate. Good job would be stoked with that on draft night

Did you consider Buss at 13 and hope Hewitt slid?
Did you consider Barnett at our 3rd instead of Hotton or was he too good to refuse?

 

[Dark Sharks]

Wow Monocle absolutely blitz the BF Mock draft.

Clark, Hewett, Hotton & Hustwaite - yes please!!

O'Brien: Tell this campaigner he's dreamin..

 

[Obeanie1]

Disagree with you. Why shouldn’t a young midfielder get some CBDs with the senior mids. They don’t have to play 90% in the guys but we should always have an eye to the future.

Big moments, sure go the experience but gotta be looking forward

They can. When the established mids rotate out for a spell.

But they wont play 100% in their preferred position day 1 and so will need to cut their teeth and bide their time developing on a flank.

That's just the way it is developing kids. Dont understand why people dont see that as how its done.

Slowly their time spent in their preferred position increases and hopefully they become the established mid.

 

[Obeanie1]

Wow Monocle absolutely blitz the BF Mock draft.

Clark, Hewett, Hotton & Hustwaite - yes please!!

Gimme those mids baby!!

Very nice. Three of those I have high on my wish list.

I think Phillapou went early to the Suns at 6 in this Phantom. More than happy with Clark.

Phillapou, Hewett, Hotton and Hustwaite would be freakin unreal as well.

Some serious midfield reinforcements there to complement Chesser, Culley and Hough.

 

[southcoast]

A backline of Busslinger, Bazzo and Barrass has a certain ring to it though

How would BT cope. Couldn’t cope with Rioli and Ryan.

3 x Bs might be a reach too far for Bwian


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[Obeanie1]

Well I am glad that I was able to please you with at least a couple of picks.
Pity I didn't nail it for you.

We obviously look for different things in players........... Hotton has one of the cleanest set of hands in this cohort....i find that a trait impossible to ignore.

There were some players already taken that I would ask if you would have if available.

Clark was the best mid left with Jones taken by Geelong overlooking Clark which is a tad early.

Would you have gone Phillapou or Clark if you had a choice?

Or Ginbey if both were gone?

No interest in Busslinger with either pick?

And Hotton slid with both Burgeil and Konstanty taken before Hotton. Who would you take if Hotton wasnt there?

 

[JackOutback]

A backline of Busslinger, Bazzo and Barrass has a certain ring to it though

B grade.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

What I'm asking is why weren't the ones shooting up the rankings now outperforming their peers at the actual playing football part of being a footballer?

Hmm yes this guy plays football like a late second rounder, consistently beaten by players x,y,z but holy s**t did you see his agility test? First rounder now. Up there with the players who beat him all year.

Because the form of children and boys is rightly taken with a pinch of salt.



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[kranky al]

B grade.

The BGBLWBLF?

 

[Monocle]

There were some players already taken that I would ask if you would have if available.

Clark was the best mid left with Jones taken by Geelong overlooking Clark which is a tad early.

I woudn't have taken Jones in the first round.

Would you have gone Phillapou or Clark if you had a choice?

Had he been available I would have taken Phillipou.

Or Ginbey if both were gone?

If both were gone I would have gone Hewett with the first pick.

No interest in Busslinger with either pick?

Plenty of interest in Busslinger I just proritised needs when the talent level was much the same and see notes below.

And Hotton slid with both Burgeil and Konstanty taken before Hotton. Who would you take if Hotton wasnt there?

Barnett.

Then at 28 I would have taken Szybkoski.

Had Hotten been gone, of the two you mention I would have taken Burgeil ...... I am a big fan.


Some general comments Ginbey I like his growth and progression across the season.
However I would have liked to have seen him played as a mid at League level for East Perth.

In the league he was an effective but low disposal count HBF ....... thats not enough to get me spending point end draft capital on.

At Colts and the Championships he was all bash and crash against kids, he is a blunt instrument that I would have been impressed had he had the same impact against men .............. he may well do so, however it would have been nice to have had that conformed.
An off chute of the bash and crash is that he hack the ball forward with his delivery, there is not a lot of finesse with his current game style.

I just don't know or haven't seen enough of him against men to with confidence, be spending either pick 8 or 12 on him.

One thing I do like about him is that every game I watched of his, he played better than his previous game ..... thats a great trend and shows the ceiling is still a long way away.

Too many unknowns for me on Ginbey at this stage...... i have him in the 15 -20 range.

Busslinger is a very good intercept KPD, has really good disposal and reads the game and ball so well.

What I heaven't seen him do is be able to play a total shut down lock down KPD role.... had I seen him do this then I would have used 8 on him and Hewett at 12.

Thats the gap between the pros and us plebs, we don't have the hours and hours of tape to dissect and analyse.
We don't get to speak with his coaches or access interview and medical data.

This next month, the time between now and the draft, is where a mountain of background checks are carried out.

My concerns over Ginbey and Bussling may be ill founded, but until I get the answers I remain to have questions.

 

[briztoon]

Disagree with you. Why shouldn’t a young midfielder get some CBDs with the senior mids. They don’t have to play 90% in the guys but we should always have an eye to the future.

Big moments, sure go the experience but gotta be looking forward

Mostly because their body and endurance isn't up to it, unless you wan the kid ot of the game by his late 20's with a wrecked body.

You put them on a flank where they can learn the speed, skills and tactics of the game, while they add bulk.

Otherwise you end up with a Matt Rowell type situation, where he's already had multiple surgeries due to contact injuries, and his confidence is shot.

 

[briztoon]

Had he been available I would have taken Phillipou.

Really enjoyed your analysis then.

My only question is, what have you seen from Phillipou, that you would take him ahead of Clark and Hewitt?

 

[maverick001]

Please never ever apply for PieMan's job. The internet cannot handle the level of melt you induce.
Go to Freo, or better yet the GC. That place suits the chaos seeds you desire to sew

He is obviously taking the piss tho

 

[Obeanie1]

I woudn't have taken Jones in the first round.




Had he been available I would have taken Phillipou.




If both were gone I would have gone Hewett with the first pick.





Plenty of interest in Busslinger I just proritised needs when the talent level was much the same and see notes below.




Barnett.

Then at 28 I would have taken Szybkoski.

Had Hotten been gone, of the two you mention I would have taken Burgeil ...... I am a big fan.


Some general comments Ginbey I like his growth and progression across the season.
However I would have liked to have seen him played as a mid at League level for East Perth.

In the league he was an effective but low disposal count HBF ....... thats not enough to get me spending point end draft capital on.

At Colts and the Championships he was all bash and crash against kids, he is a blunt instrument that I would have been impressed had he had the same impact against men .............. he may well do so, however it would have been nice to have had that conformed.
An off chute of the bash and crash is that he hack the ball forward with his delivery, there is not a lot of finesse with his current game style.

I just don't know or haven't seen enough of him against men to with confidence, be spending either pick 8 or 12 on him.

One thing I do like about him is that every game I watched of his, he played better than his previous game ..... thats a great trend and shows the ceiling is still a long way away.

Too many unknowns for me on Ginbey at this stage...... i have him in the 15 -20 range.

Busslinger is a very good intercept KPD, has really good disposal and reads the game and ball so well.

What I heaven't seen him do is be able to play a total shut down lock down KPD role.... had I seen him do this then I would have used 8 on him and Hewett at 12.

Thats the gap between the pros and us plebs, we don't have the hours and hours of tape to dissect and analyse.
We don't get to speak with his coaches or access interview and medical data.

This next month, the time between now and the draft, is where a mountain of background checks are carried out.

My concerns over Ginbey and Bussling may be ill founded, but until I get the answers I remain to have questions.

Thanks for the write up.

We seem to be on the same page with quite a few players.

I really liked what I read about Szybkoski. A very professional trainer, a leader who sets standards and a real competitor. One thing we need is kids who set high standards, something I feel our list has gone backwards with. Clark adds this as well.

Barnett as a tall option also an area of need and to balance out our selections.

Burgeil looks like a great little player who can burst out of stoppages, similar to Hotton. Hotton has a nice step plus speed, a slippery customer. Both know where the goals are..

 

[Obeanie1]

Mostly because their body and endurance isn't up to it, unless you wan the kid ot of the game by his late 20's with a wrecked body.

You put them on a flank where they can learn the speed, skills and tactics of the game, while they add bulk.

Otherwise you end up with a Matt Rowell type situation, where he's already had multiple surgeries due to contact injuries, and his confidence is shot.

Good example.

I remember how Collingwood basically wrecked Frazer throwing a kid into the ruck too early.

It takes a very special 18 to 20 year old to step into the centre set up and do well. People just dont appreciate just how physically demanding AFL is at the top level. Especially on ball.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

If Ginbey is off the board at 9 we'll probably get Busslinger.

Not sure I see that as a win TBH.


We then either try Hewett at 13 or run the risk of him lasting until 21, which could totally backfire, particularly if we already didn't pick a mid with our first.

In other words we should've kept pick 2 and guarantee us taking the best available.mid.

totally defeats the purpose of sliding down the draft (fear of go home factor, let's target local talent) if any of that WA talent is taken b4 our first pick.

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[Obeanie1]

It’s almost if height doesn’t really matter if you’re good at football

A father and son with the last name Ablett were not tall.

Hay Dark Sharks, you think Garry Snr wouldnt make it as a foward in the modern game?

 

[ziad]

In other words we should've kept pick 2 and guarantee us taking the best available.mid.

totally defeats the purpose of sliding down the draft (fear of go home factor, let's target local talent) if any of that WA talent is taken b4 our first pick.

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yep
Pareto principle rule the distribution of good players. the lower the pick the much lower the chance and is isnt a standard distrbution or linear.
But we are still a chance - more of a gamble though.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Sorry Monocle
#23 Charlie Clark would have nailed that pick. Seems a better pure forward than Hotton who I find pretty underwhelming for whats advertised on the box.
#28 Hustwaite i'm not a big fan of either. I don't see an AFL midfielder there. Banking on him to Cripps it up and become a battering ram? Isn't that great overhead as a KPP as a fallback.

Clark and Hewett are nice additions tho

Haven't seen a lot of Hustwaite, but saw half of the Vic Metro/City game and he stood out from memory.

 

[FKASC]

A father and son with the last name Ablett were not tall.

Hay Dark Sharks, you think Garry Snr wouldnt make it as a foward in the modern game?

Might have a role as Simmo’s defensive HFF to replace Ah Chee